University of Otago student orientation

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Submitted on 2012/02/20 at 1:00 pm
Watching the farce of ‘free offerings’ at the entrance of the university and noticed an interesting anomally. Blokes who look to be 2nd or 3rd year were chasing down girls who appeared to be 1st year offering drinking promotions at certain bars tonight. After a few minutes it was quite clear these guys were ignoring everyone except these young individuals. Campus Watch is not looking inwards or the university is happy to let the wolf in the door as long as the collateral damage is not their own.

Posted by Elizabeth Kerr


Filed under Events, People

50 responses to “University of Otago student orientation

  1. Elizabeth

    ### ODT Online Thu, 23 Feb 2012
    Fireworks and bottles figure in Castle St disorder
    By Hamish McNeilly
    Fireworks narrowly missed a Campus Watch staff member and bottles were thrown at firefighters dousing couch fires, as police made nine arrests in Dunedin’s student quarter on Tuesday night. The incidents in the student party area of Castle St came after an incident-free toga party at Forsyth Barr Stadium, Sergeant Chris McLellan said yesterday.
    Read more

    • Elizabeth

      Yep, Harlene is still on the losing end. Wake-up call to the VC. University street party/riot reputation is a fantastic drawcard. Fabulous marketing, that’s been cemented for years by the ivy league itself.

      ### ODT Online Sun, 26 Feb 2012
      Drunken mayhem on Dunedin streets
      Drunken mayhem – including fighting and the lighting of fires – blighted the central city and north Dunedin as Orientation Week wound up last night, police say. Fourteen people were arrested for offences including assault and various disorder related offending. Police said much of the blame lay not with students but with visitors to the city. “A large number of young people partying up and consuming an excessive amount of alcohol, has again created an unsafe environment that’s resulted in hospitalisations, arrests and disruption to the local community,” Acting Inspector Allan Grindell said.
      Read more

  2. Hype O'Thermia

    “Mummy, university is super. I’ve already spewed three times in public, once in the main street. For a fresher I’m well on my way to being a legend. Please send more money.”

    • Elizabeth

      There’s really no reason to send your kids to the University of Otago as undergraduates, is there.

      ### ODT Online Mon, 27 Feb 2012
      Only four students among 15 arrested
      By John Lewis
      A large number of young people “partying up” in Dunedin on Saturday night, their ranks swelled by Forsyth Barr Stadium Orientation concert-goers, resulted in 15 arrests for assault or disorder offences. However, despite the concert crowds, and Dunedin firefighters extinguishing 12 fires in North Dunedin in nine and a-half hours, police confirmed only four of those arrested were students. Acting Inspector Allan Grindell, of Dunedin, said the night was chaotic. Excessive consumption of alcohol created an unsafe environment, leading to hospitalisations and disruption to the community, he said. Eleven of the 15 arrested were aged between 18 and 22.
      Read more

  3. Phil

    This is hard to give any rational reasoning. I don’t know of any other university in the world which has these kinds of problems. Not in the UK. Not in the US. Not in Australia. In fact, I don’t even know of another university in New Zealand. It’s a straight mindset issue. Students everywhere else go to university in order to study. They still manage to enjoy themselves without resorting to the unchecked mayhem which goes way beyond the point of being an embarrassment to the community. This is unique, in my opinion. And yet, for some perverted reason, it’s celebrated. Used as a drawcard to entice students to Otago. All the locally produced advertising for the university centres around having a fun time. How many scenes shot inside the library, compared to the number of scenes showing drunken kids falling over each other on the rugby terraces ? They will never admit to it, but the university and the city need these dropkicks in order to keep the university roll numbers. And the rest of the country is quite happy because they have somewhere to send them.

  4. Hype O'Thermia

    It’s drawing on the frat-house film comedies. Fortunately the serious students are aware of OU’s areas of excellence and are drawn here irrrespective of the lowest-common-denominator advertising. Those are the students we don’t see. Well, we see them but they’re not doing anything uncivilized. When their photos are in the paper they’re the audience at sports or concerts, sometimes the performers. Remember Chris Laidlaw, All Black? David Kirk, med student………? Many others who combined study with other activities but had the self-control to manage themselves from an early age even when Mummy and Daddy weren’t around.
    “It’s not the drinking, it’s the way we’re drinking.” That includes the total switch-round from the social scorn towards people who couldn’t hold their liquor. Hard-drinking was cool if you could still “act normal”; being amusingly outrageous in a clever way was great but burbling incoherently, falling down and puking all over the place including over oneself and other people wasn’t and as for piddling and pooping in one’s knickers – eewwww!

  5. Phil

    I remember in my younger and more flexible days being good friends with a student who was one of 6 blokes living in a Castle Street flat who were all sub 4 minute milers. They all successfully completed medical and accounting degrees. It’s a shame that the city is making a choice today to overlook the ability of making adult choices, in favour of selling an outdated and unwanted theme of “Animal House”.

  6. Peter

    At least it is heartening that of the fifteen arrests only four of them were students. Still some way to go, but progress. Maybe.
    Until we restrict or ban alcohol advertising, really get serious about making public drunkenness socially unacceptable (as we have done with smoking) and restrict the number and type of alcohol outlets, no real progress will be made with public disorder caused by alcohol abuse.
    The whole drink/drive message, I think, is getting through to people. With the above measures, further progress can be made if we have the will as a society.
    National, however, seem to be dragging the chain on alcohol reform. Mates in the booze industry, I suspect.

  7. Hype O'Thermia

    Elizabeth, female students at that time couldn’t drink much – this was before equal pay for males and females, so holiday jobs provided just enough money to scrape along. Besides, the social attitude to female drunkenness was even more strict. A drunk male might be forgivable though definitely not admired but a drunk female was just low-life disgusting. That wasn’t just student-age, it applied to all ages.
    It was also pre-contraceptive pill let alone legal abortion. Girls needed to be more careful – self-preservation! Drunken sex with someone you’d never seen before but whose mates called him Jabba, probably happened but it was seen – and anyone who indulged wasn’t going to broadcast the fact – as being totally moronic.
    The introduction of the pill into unmarried society, yes, it was restricted at first to married women only, freed MEN from responsibility, leading to the attitude of indignation rather than accepting the unfortunate need to face up to the consequences of one’s actions – “How was I to know she wasn’t on the pill?”
    The “girls can do anything” equality message has gone feral. Whoopee, get legless and have sex with someone you wouldn’t touch with a barge pole if you had more than 3 operational brain cells – that’s progress!

    • Elizabeth

      Clearly, I’m concerned with now… but still there are always women role models whichever era. Do I sound young and naive, ah well. Thank god I never looked to male rugby jocks at any age I’ve been, not even jocks with Rhodes Scholarships. I’m better than that. Hah!

  8. Hype O'Thermia

    The trouble is that now admiration has switched, among too large of sector of young people. Just as there is a sector of society in which having been to prison is proof of staunch manliness, so there is another (overlapping?) sector where being a comprehensively messy drunk is way cooler than having no more drinks than your body and brain can handle or – perish the thought! – abstaining from alcohol and other mind-altering drugs altogether, because you have high goals and the determination needed to reach them.

  9. Phil

    It was a bit of a meaningless comment in the media about the proportion of student arrests versus non student arrests. A bit of desperation in that article. 15 people aren’t arrested for drunken offences every other weekend in the city. I hope. Whether they were students or not, it was a university connected and publicised event which lead to the arrests. The whole O-Week shambles has long outstayed its welcome. Remove the source and you remove the problem.

    • Elizabeth

      ### ODR Online Thu, 1 Mar 2012
      Editorial: Students and hangers-on
      The number of arrests in Dunedin and the “occupations” of those charged last Saturday night in the aftermath of a major Orientation concert at Forsyth Barr Stadium was illustrative of two or three home truths: first, that alcohol, high spirits and congregating youth can often result in trouble; second, that contrary to popular perception, the Dunedin student population does not have a monopoly on police time, nor on violent, offensive or obnoxious behaviour.
      Read more

      • Elizabeth

        ### ODT Online Fri, 2 Mar 2012
        Wisdom true purpose of study
        By Richard Dawson

        We deal in education with intelligence or its lack. But intelligence alone can be grossly overrated. Give me grace, generosity and kindness any day over intelligence.

        It’s student time again in Dunedin, with all its colours, creeds, shapes and sizes. They are here now revelling in their new-found freedom or returning to do battle again. Despite the congested north end, we should be thankful for their presence. They contribute enormously to Dunedin’s eclectic cultural mix. They keep us young and they provide us with a myriad of career opportunities in the education sector and its associated support industries and they implant a little bit of this city’s life into people who will be distributed to all corners of the world.
        Read more

        • The Rev Richard Dawson is Minister of St Stephen’s, Leith Valley, and Moderator of the Presbyterian Church’s Southern Presbytery.

      • Elizabeth

        Orientation had also brought with it some undesirable conduct by returning students.

        ### ODT Online Mon, 5 Mar 2012
        Students disciplined for antisocial behaviour
        By Matthew Haggart
        Orientation high jinks have landed 169 University of Otago students in trouble, after a week of unwelcome disorderly incidents launched the academic year. The disciplinary report, released by university vice-chancellor Prof Harlene Hayne, highlighted the “antisocial behaviour of a minority of students”, while also praising the well-behaved majority.
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        • Elizabeth

          Why would we allow a Hyde St party, again? More abuse of Dunedin’s valuable emergency services’ time and effort?

          ### ODT Online Thu, 8 Mar 2012
          No glass at keg party
          By Rosie Manins
          Glass will be banned from the Hyde St keg party for the first time, in a collaborative effort between the University of Otago, its student association, police and the Dunedin City Council. More than 7000 students are expected to attend the day-long social event on March 24, which in previous years has been marred by disorder.
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          ### March 8, 2012 – 6:25pm
          Hyde Street party glass free
          After getting students and partygoers to clean up after themselves last year, authorities are stepping up their approach to the upcoming annual Hyde Street party. New Zealand Police, the Dunedin City Council, the Otago University Students Association and the University of Otago have decided to ban glass from the street during the day long event on March the 24th. While the street looked calm today, it’s expected the ban will make the street safer for partygoers, and easier to clean up. The Council is considering an alcohol ban for the entire North Dunedin area for the future. However, the Students Association is hoping that will be altered to a wide-scale permanent glass ban instead.

        • Elizabeth

          ### ODT Online Sat, 24 Mar 2012
          Students pack out Hyde St for keg party
          By Ellie Constantine
          More than 1000 students have filled Hyde St for the annual keg party, as hundreds more, dressed as everything from Tarzan to a yellow submarine, flock there.
          Read more + Video

        • Elizabeth

          ### ODT Online Sat, 24 Mar 2012
          Last calls on liquor ban input
          By Rosie Manins
          Dunedin residents have until 5pm on Monday to register their opinion [by online submission or email] on a proposed liquor ban extension into North Dunedin. Yesterday, the Dunedin City Council had received just seven submissions on the proposal, which it has suggested as a measure to reduce excessive alcohol consumption and subsequent street disorder in the area.
          Read more

          Make a submission here:

  10. Hype O'Thermia

    I’d rather see the Council and more to the point, the government, lean heavily on supermarkets and cheapo liquor marts. They slapped a ban on cigarette advertising, what about a ban on promoting liquor specials? What about a ban on liquor advertising altogether?

  11. Anonymous

    “”OK and the pendulum swings back; I just heard from cub reporter Jamie Green that the Hyde st. Keg party experienced a roof collapsing, cardiac arrests from Pills + Booze + Heat , a slashes wrist from broken glass, A&E inundated with casualties and finally, sex occurring openly in the street. If Otago University is attempting to emulate ancient Rome, we’ve made it. NOT a good look. Photos of fun to come.”

    • Elizabeth

      My ineffectual online submission made to DCC today, to be read out loud in the tone of a Temperance marm. (the template for online submissions removes all separations between paragraphs)

      I have lived in the central city / North Dunedin since January 1990 and in this time have closely witnessed the changes in behaviour associated with alcohol consumption, including purchasing ability and binge drinking, and what amounts to increasing civil unrest and lawlessness in Dunedin streets. |

      This is not solely the province of tertiary students. The unwelcome behaviour extends to youth culture and wider society, given the availability of low cost alcohol and what appear to be lowering standards of social responsibility where alcohol is concerned. |

      However, the University of Otago, in particular, has for years marketed tertiary education at Otago as taking place in a ‘party-like atmosphere’. The pigeons have come home to roost – no other university in New Zealand is placing this level of disturbance and distress upon its fair-minded and peace-abiding citizens. |

      I’m writing this submission as the Hyde Street Keg Party ensues just after 3pm – having started at 5am for some – to the sound of emergency services’ sirens. |

      I support the view that the liquor ban should apply to a wider city area – this should include View St and other street areas where city residents are experiencing problems with antisocial and disruptive behaviour as the result of alcohol consumption. |

      See |

      I’m particularly concerned by the demands and costs placed on emergency services, council staff, university staff, security services and others during weekends and when poorly managed events flair and human behaviour descends into the gutter. |

      I support a hard line being taken to curb what has become an extremely ugly dimension to the central city and North Dunedin area. |

      This extends to proactive urban design and property investment measures to change the residential ‘make-up’ of the central city and North Dunedin area, to achieve a mixed community such that students are no longer able to claim the area as their own – meaning the return of families, workers and urban professionals, senior citizens, and those in need of social housing. The Campus Master Plan completely fails to address all consequences of mass student ‘residence’. |

      This is about the restoration of community values and levels of social responsibility that extend beyond the bounds of a simple liquor restriction bylaw – but which fully recognises that the concentration of University of Otago business and activities does indeed bring undesirable adverse effects (not merely benefits…) to Dunedin City.

      • Elizabeth

        Hyde Street Keg Party



        On 25/03/12 12:25 AM, “Graeme Acton” wrote:
        Hi – we were interested in your comment to TVNZ on saturday evening that ratepayers have spent “hundreds of thousands of dollars” cleaning up after the student street party.
        Can we clarify this statement – are you saying that the council pays that amount to clean up after the Hyde Street party, or does that figure somehow relate to a number of years, or number of events..?
        Are you able to provide us with the the total cost paid by the Council to clean up after the 2011 Hyde Street party ??

        G Acton
        Chief Reporter
        Radio New Zealand News

        Reply from Lee Vandervis
        Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 09:33:27 +1300

        Hi Graeme,

        TV1 unfortunately nicked a snippet out of context.
        The entire statement related to the hundreds of thousands of dollars spent annually by the DCC repairing burn holes in the tarmac from couch fire parties [there are at least 8 burn holes currently visible in Leith st alone, one block over from Hyde st], and extensive broken glass and rubbish clean-up operations necessary post parties.

        I do not have any specific costs for Hyde st parties, and indicative costs of hundreds of thousands every year relate only to ratepayer funded resealing and glass and rubbish collection activities directly resulting from uncontrolled parties in the student area. Hundreds of thousands of rate paid dollars do not include Police, Fire Department and Ambulance costs.

        I also told TV1 that I was very happy that OUSA had been proactive in trying to curb the damage done by large student parties, in particular declaring Hyde St. a glass free zone – something I have been advocating for alcohol outlets in the entire student area [Octagon to the Gardens] since 2006.

        Going back to Hyde st later in the day I was pleased to see that the Police had effectively prevented any couch fires, and that the OUSA glass-free initiative had been a great success. Although the ambulances were kept busy with drunken students damaging themselves, injuries would have been much more common if broken glass had been part of the environment as in the past.

        An enormous number of Hyde st partygoers, many in imaginative costumes, contributed to an amazing carnival atmosphere which avoided the usual dangerous and expensive hazards of broken glass and couch fires. The Police, OUSA, ambulance staff and many students themselves made considerable efforts to ensure that this Hyde st party was a memorable and relatively safe event.

        Kind regards,
        Cr. Lee Vandervis

        • Elizabeth

          Yeah right, “this year everything went according to plan”.
          See Anonymous’ comment above.

          ### ODT Online Sun, 25 Mar 2012
          Student leaders praise Hyde St behaviour
          Revellers at yesterday’s Hyde St keg party in Dunedin partied hard but were well behaved and helped create a great event, says a student representative.
          Read more

  12. Phil

    Wow, way to leave your spine at home, Lee. All guns blazing until called on it, then a complete about face finishing off by praising the event. In what universe does 15 arrests, collapsed rooves, and a swamping of the local healthcare system constitute a success ? Logan Edgar has to be either the dumbest, or the most desperate, professional student.

  13. Phil

    If an event like this were to happen overseas, where it was known in advance that extra policing staff would be required specifically because of that event, then the event organiser would be required to pay a fee to the police in advance to cover the cost of the extra police presence in the region. This is standard practice at sporting events, carnivals, music events, etc around Europe. As it stands at the moment, this chaos being somehow branded as a success doesn’t cost the organisers a thing when it inevitably turns to shit. So why should they care ? Destruction of property and self inflicted abuse of community services is not a human right. So they should be paying for it.

  14. Peter

    Reports of open sex on the streets? This must be a first, I presume. The university doesn’t need to do any marketing. Student enrolments are secure.

  15. Peter

    I notice John Leslie, a well known rugby figure and keen supporter of the stadium, had his rusty- roofed student hovel targeted by drunken students, with a section of the roof collapsing. Somehow, I don’t feel sorry for him. What goes around, comes around with drunkenness…. whether it be students or ‘professional rugby heads’.

  16. Hype O'Thermia

    Did you notice if the ceiling had been insulated?

  17. Peter

    Haha. No, but I wonder. Rusty roofs and decent insulation – for people – don’t seem to go together.

    • Elizabeth

      Hyde Street Keg Party

      4:26 PM – 26 Mar 12
      @3News Hyde Street landlord seeks students in roof collapse video

      The video shows around 10 people dancing on John Leslie’s property at 22 Hyde St when the roof suddenly gives way by a few metres.


      This year’s themes…

      1 Hyde Street – Fairyland

      4 Hyde Street – Babewatch Beach Party

      5 Hyde Street – Geeks

      6 Hyde Street – Zombie Apocalypse

      7 Hyde Street – 111 emergency

      8 Hyde Street – Mother Fucken Catalina Wine Mixer

      9 Hyde Street – Oktoberfest

      10 Hyde Street – Hyde Street High

      11 Hyde Street – Housewives and Pool Boys

      13 Hyde Street – Austin Powers

      14 Hyde Street – Mexican border wars

      16 Hyde Street – Geordie Shore

      17 Hyde Street – Construction Site

      20 Hyde Street – Smurfs

      21 Hyde Street – Out of Africa

      22 Hyde Street – Cops and Robbers [John Leslie’s property]

      23 Hyde Street – ABC- Anything But Clothes

      24 Hyde Street – Hippies on Hyde

      25 Hyde Street – Zoo

      26 Hyde Street – Spartacus

      27 Hyde Street – Mile Hyde Club

      33 Hyde Street – Wild wild west

  18. Anonymous

    He should go on the Critic Facebook page, the ones on his roof have helpfully tagged themselves in the photos.

    • Elizabeth

      Critic Te Arohi at Facebook – Hyde St 2012 photos

      Particular ‘red roof’ photos show names:
      Emmett Boyle, Alice McClintock, Chelsea Pringle, McGregor Fea and Hannah Walter.
      Kurt Leuthart, Aaron Murray, Alice McClintock and Hannah Walter.
      Joe Bywater.

      That’s OK, we’ve copied the pics and tags for future reference. It’s a start.

      • Elizabeth

        ### ODT Online Tue, 27 Mar 2012
        Editorial: The frontiers of knowledge
        Well, we never. A University of Otago study shows students who drank heavily were impaired physically and cognitively the next day. What’s more, “extreme drinking produced the most detrimental effects”. Such drinking was associated, we are told, with the least sleep, feeling the least refreshed, excessive tiredness and a higher incidence of feeling ill. It was also associated with poor concentration and impaired workload management. Pardon us, but isn’t that what is commonly called a hangover?
        Read more

  19. Anon

    Roof Collapse video

    (via Youtube – uploaded by timfalvey4545 on 25 Mar 2012 -Eds)

  20. Peter

    What a nonsense report. I remember doing an Education paper years ago – Applied Behavioural Analysis – which specialised in ‘analysing’ pointless studies of small select groups’ behaviour. The literature reviews of such studies were unbelievably tedious reading. The paper was later ditched.

  21. Hype O'Thermia

    We used to get up on our flat’s roof to sunbathe, up to 4 of us at a time. Being from old-fashioned families when people built, mended and painted their own houses 3 of us knew about stepping very carefully on the nails and not denting the corrugated iron and we firmly instructed No. 4. Having climbed up there we lay back against the roof hoping to be brown before the summer break. Skin cancer, what was that? Times change.

    • Elizabeth

      Obnoxious worthless little creeps.

      Great to see at least one act of deliberate vandalism in the video which clearly identifies the criminal. Scary numbers of people seen on some roofs, not just at the two side-by-side houses immediately pictured. Later views show the roofs have been cleared.

      I suppose these thicko University of Otago students (wow! they looked like students not school pupils or wastrels from Balclutha) don’t study building, drafting, engineering or architecture (rhetorical), or seek builders’ labourer jobs in the holiday breaks – Mummy and Daddy in Auckland or wherever probably see to that never happening. Neither do they want to be property investors in Dunedin, it seems.

  22. Mike

    Well – yeah – maybe we need an engineering school …. there’s a whole lot of space sitting idle down by the quarry

  23. Outdoors Fun

    @ Peter. In the interests of fairness, are you 100% certain this is John Leslie of rugby fame or are you making assumptions?
    I note the front part of the roof that collapsed appears to be quite new along with the sides, lean-to and ridging. The photo of the rusty rear has been taken from the Leith Street side and is definitely past its best. In any case the iron to which you refer whether new or old would not be intended to support that number of people. In the absence of trusses Mr Leslie may want to instruct his roofer, at the cost of bugger all to add some vertical timber supports to increase the structural integrity of the roof for such future events.
    Imagine if the students were able to scale the roof of the stadium, now that would be impressive, the reason they climbed on the Hyde Street rooves is because they could.
    If this becomes the norm I predict a Darwin Award sometime soon.

  24. Hype O'Thermia

    Yes, roof recently replaced using what appears to be oddments of coloursteel. The parts that gave way first were where instead of long-run iron extending the whole length, there had been 2 part-sheets overlapped. As Outdoor Fun says, dwangs in the right places could have prevented such serious damage but again, O.F. is correct in saying roofs like that are not constructed as load-bearing structures, they’re to keep the house dry and free from pigeon poop. A few cans of silicone spray applied before the event would act as a deterrent after the first (s-s-s-s-splat!) couple of adventurous climbers got into field studies in gravity and impacts with asphalt vs student surfaces.

  25. Outdoors Fun

    Hype, we are talking about Mr Leslie’s property? The section that gives way appears to be long run, or are you referring to the next door property that is being dealt to by an unidentified reprobate?
    Interesting that some of the students have had the foresight to tag themselves on facebook. Expect a visit from the Proctor.

    • Elizabeth

      Not very bright Facebookers, let’s suppose that’s why they’ve come to university – to increase brain cells. Oh wait…
      Anyhow, we’ve filed photos, tags and video offline to ensure the information never dies *sob

    • Elizabeth

      The Hyde St keg party should be moved or scrapped, writes landlord and property manager Debbie Kershaw.

      ### ODT Online Tue, 3 Apr 2012
      Hyde St party has had its day
      By Debbie Kershaw
      I am one of the breast-beating bullet-heads OUSA president Logan Edgar refers to, because I have concerns about damage to my own property and also the safety of young, intoxicated people who make bad decisions. In his opinion piece (30.3.12), Mr Edgar fails to come up with any suggestion as to how people can be stopped from breaking windows, pulling down spoutings and smashing in roofs (incidentally, we have never charged our Hyde St tenants any extra rent to cover damage). The students were on notice this year that all eyes were on them at the Hyde St keg party.
      Read more

      • Debbie Kershaw is a part-owner and property manager of several flats in North Dunedin

      • Elizabeth

        ### ODT Online Sun, 8 Apr 2012
        ‘Scarfie sheriffs’ sought for student area
        By Vaughan Elder
        Neighbourhood Watch and the police are looking for “larger-than-life characters” to become “scarfie sheriffs” in an effort to help catch out criminals in the student quarter. The two organisations have also been out in force marking students’ property in the area as they try to make it tougher for “opportunistic thieves”, who have targeted the area in the past.
        Read more

        Anyone interested taking up a sheriff role could call Neighbourhood Support on 473-681 or send an email to

  26. anonymous

    Has today’s poll at Otago Daily Times trumped its Toitu branding friendly exercise and that “solo parents” one over at Channel 9?

    Should student drinking be contained in the North End?
    – Yes, that would help reduce violence in the city
    – No, they should be able to drink where they like
    – Not sure
    – Don’t care

    Look at that first response: “Yes… help reduce violence…”

    That is a loaded statement intended to once again skew the result.

    The story makes little association to violence and mentions “harm”. How often are students associated with “violence”? Excessive drinking, dangerous levels of stupidity and what seems like an endless potential for foolishness, but violence?

    I believe the point former OUSA president Logan Edgar was trying to make was remove students from areas violence is more likely to occur. “… that’s where all the bashings happen.”

    No wonder the ODT waited for the last Critic to be printed before coming up with this crap. It must be student bashing time before it sends in the Subscription Bunnies next year.

  27. Hype O'Thermia

    When did students stop being part of the whole population and need special student bars?

    • Elizabeth

      Hype, probably when ‘big business’ caused liquor barns and supermarkets selling alcohol to happen in close proximity to the tertiary campus at Dunedin, with all associated fallouts. Youth culture = alcohol, apparently. As applies for middle-aged culture = alcohol… and suit wearers everywhere controlling the liquor industry and Central Government policy/revenues.

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