Monthly Archives: May 2009

STS website DOWN

Today the STS website which was hosted on an independent server was taken down as that server is no longer available to the organisation. For one and a half months the STS committee had received repeated warnings that it would need to find another server but had chosen to ignore the issue. With the result there is no longer an active website.

Who will save the STS website.


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RNZ National: Dougal Stevenson on stadium

### Radio New Zealand National May 31, 2009
Sunday Morning: Notes From the South

Speaking from Dunedin, Dougal Stevenson continues to wax lyrical on stadium issues.
Audio Link (duration 6′06″)

An inane moment occurs at the end when Chris Laidlaw says, “But the money is there, isn’t it?” An email reply from Rosemary McQueen setting matters straight was read out prior to the news at noon.


### Radio New Zealand National Feb 22, 2009
Sunday Morning: Notes From the South
Dougal Stevenson on Otago Stadium
Audio Link (duration 6′00″)

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ORFU and the heartfelt message

This sort of thing is rife in the volunteer sector. Few volunteers are brave enough to speak out…

### ODT Online Fri, 29 May 2009
Opinion: Your Say
Comment by Loudee on ORFU has alienated volunteers

[excerpt] We, as grassroots rugby volunteers, have spent a small fortune on the game. The “thanks” we got at end of each season was ONE single ticket to a 2nd grade game at Carisbrook. That was addressed to my husband who always threw it in the bin as it totally disregarded my input and support throughout the year.
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New urban stadiums: not straight forward

In lands far away…more stadium debate, issues we share and those we don’t… Feb 18, 2009 9:03 am
How to create a successful urban stadium
by Cavan Wilk

DC United intends to build a new 24,000 seat stadium in Prince George’s County. This is a golden opportunity for our region to gain another vibrant, regional, walkable, urban, Metro-adjacent, transit-oriented development. Except on game days, stadiums have been centres of un-activity for the past sixty years. However, they don’t need to be like that and haven’t always been that way. In fact, with proper design and context, they can be major activity centres. Equally important, they can serve as anchors of vibrant neighbourhoods that generate tax revenue in perpetuity.
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(Feb 18, 2009 10:59 am) In reply to the post Mike licht says: “I recall reading that the “most successful” publicly-funded stadiums return taxes at the rate of the average veterinary clinic.”

Cavan Wilk became interested in the physical layout and economic systems of modern human settlements while working on his Master’s in Financial Economics. His writing often focuses on the interactions between a place’s form, its economic systems, and the experiences of those who live in them. He lives in Wheaton, Maryland.


The two stadium proposals before city council are about more than sports. They’re about building Ottawa…

### Ottawa Citizen April 6, 2009
Back to the beginning on a new stadium
By David Reevely

We’ve got a really strong package of reporting on the competing stadium proposals in Tuesday’s paper [see below], but here are some quick preliminary thoughts.

The [city] staff report is three quick slaps across the face for anyone who’s been getting starry-eyed about the prospects for rebuilding Frank Clair Stadium at Lansdowne or putting up a new soccer venue in Kanata. The Kanata stadium is by far the simpler and easier one for the city, and probably the more profitable, but it doesn’t happen to solve the city’s immediate problem … which is what to do with Lansdowne.

This ain’t gonna be cheap, no matter how much we might wish it were, and lots of cities have gotten themselves deep into trouble by pretending they can build great big things without having it hurt.
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The following story attracted 91 comments…

### Ottawa Citizen April 7, 2009
Lansdowne proposal scores higher, but council must decide if we need a stadium at all, city report says
By Jake Rupert and Patrick Dare

Monday was not a good day at city hall for two private-sector proposals for developments that include outdoor stadiums.

A much-anticipated city staff report found going with either could cost taxpayers big — $150 million over 30 years, including borrowing costs for just a stadium, and up to $300 million over the same period if extras aimed at public use are added. The numbers are higher than expected and gave sticker shock to some city council members, who must now decide what to do.
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### Ottawa Citizen April 15, 2009
Why a stadium matters
By Maria Cook

City council is poised to decide which of the two stadium proposals to endorse. Both will cost millions and affect the shape of Ottawa for decades to come. The Citizen reviews the proposals and explains why the buildings are more than just sports facilities.
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### 4/19/2009 2:36:45 PM
The Sports Network (Canadian Television): Blogs
Suitor: What’s to debate over two Ottawa Stadium Proposals?
By Glen Suitor

It seems like the debate has gone on for months. In Ottawa, everyone and his brother have weighed in on the two stadium proposals that are currently awaiting a decision from city council. If you don’t live in the Ottawa area, I’ll outline the short versions of the two plans…
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Eugene Melnyk expresses profound disappointment in failure of Council to share his vision for a world-class open-air stadium

### Apr 22, 2009, 6:32 PM EDT
Melnyk issues statement to City Council and citizens of Ottawa

Senators Sports & Entertainment owner Eugene Melnyk issued the following statement to City Council and the citizens of Ottawa:

“A full and proper revitalisation of Lansdowne Park and the construction of a new open-air stadium are both defining, city-building priorities for Ottawa. Both represent powerful and necessary catalysts to drive our economy, bolster civic pride and define Ottawa as a world-class city.”

We all need to keep in mind that stadiums represent a challenging business model. If it were easy, our city wouldn’t be wrestling with the stadium predicament it currently faces… Stadiums are complex businesses requiring an arsenal of very specialised expertise with an understanding of the long game.

“Today’s decisions by Council suggests its first priority is to take action and deliver meaningful steps towards an appropriate community-focused revitalisation and greening of Lansdowne Park… And while I continue to disagree with the strategic placement of a stadium at Lansdowne Park adjacent to the UNESCO World Heritage designated Rideau Canal, I have too much passion for this city to stand in the way of a project that will create positive and significant change.”
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Cow TV: Instigator Investigator on Stadium

The weather’s packing in, turn your heating up, watch some MooTube…

2009 Instigator 02 – Stadium
Cow TV talks to Bev Butler and Mayor Chin. Find out what the students think.
Video Link (duration 7’36”)

The story originally aired at Channel 9 on Friday 1 May.

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Overt feel-good marketing

The Otago Daily Times and the Carisbrook Stadium Trust are offering readers the chance to win two prime seats for every event to be held at the Forsyth Barr Stadium, in Dunedin, during the first year after its official opening (special conditions apply).

Read pages 1 and 37 in today’s print and digital editions for more information.

This is getting close ODT…

The offer follows earlier advertising by Carisbrook Stadium Trust when trying to raise private sector funding, in which the newspaper owners provided a logo – along with a bunch of other businesses – indicating support for the stadium. Editorially, this made things a trifle difficult for those trying to uphold independence of the press.

As they say, this is a small town and in it there is a microscope. As well as, now it seems, a really great prize up for grabs.


To find out more about how you or your business can support the Forsyth Barr Stadium visit


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Council meeting – Otago Community Trust donation requirements

Below ODT on consents for the Awatea Street site…

Dunedin City Council meets on Tuesday 2 June 2008, Council Chamber, Municipal Chambers, at 10am.

Agenda – Council – 02/06/2009 (PDF, 16.9 kb, new window)

Note agenda item 5:
Report from the General Manager Finance and Corporate Support (Athol Stephens).
Refer to pages 5.1 – 5.4.


Report – Council – 02/06/2009 (PDF, 123.7 kb, new window)
Compliance with Otago Community Trust Donation Requirements

In a letter from the Otago Community Trust dated 12 February 2009, the donation towards the Otago Stadium project was confirmed at $7 million under terms and conditions. Since then, Dunedin City Council has progressively met all of those terms and conditions, except for one, which is to be dealt with at this meeting. That condition is that, “at a properly convened meeting of Dunedin City Council it was resolved to accept the donation and its attaching terms and conditions”. This report recommends acceptance of the terms and conditions in accordance with the letter of 12 February 2009.

That Dunedin City Council accepts the donation from the Otago Community Trust under the terms and conditions specified in its letter of 12 February 2009.

There remain a number of aspects of the terms of the donation which, following discussion with the Otago Community Trust, may be agreed by exchanges of correspondence, taking a reasonable approach. For example, the drawdown of instalment one is specified as the date that construction commences. Technically, construction has already commenced but it is not clear, on the face of the letter, exactly what the Otago Community Trust has in mind. The intention is to discuss that with them. Similarly, a reasonable agreement needs to be achieved on the agreed milestones for instalments two and three.

We are also required to provide information, some of which confirms material previously provided to them.

We will also need to indicate the extent to which we consider that the Appeal Court hearing represents a threat to the project and the extent to which the Regional Council hearing in the High Court on 4 June 2009 may be a threat.

Finally, the Otago Community Trust expressed a wish to have placed before them an actual resolution indicating acceptance of the donation and its terms and conditions.

The recommendation in this report gives effect to that request. Passage of that resolution will enable the Mayor to sign the Otago Community Trust’s document. That document, along with the further information required in paragraph four, will then be returned to the Otago Community Trust.


A copy of the Otago Community Trust’s letter (12 February 2009) setting out the conditions for the grant is attached to the report. The conditions are:

* All contracts, consents, authorisations and legal approvals being in place to enable the Project to be completed;
* The Council committing to proceeding with and completing the Project;
* The stadium being built substantially in accordance with the specifications and in accordance with all legal requirements;
* The Council having the requisite jurisdictional power to proceed with the stadium.


### ODT Online Sat, 30 May 2009
DCC set to accept $7m from trust
By David Loughrey

Asked how the council had met the condition on consents when some of those were yet to be granted, Mr Stephens said resource consent was effectively approved for the project when a hearings committee approved a district-plan change to allow a stadium zone at the Awatea St site earlier this year. Building consents had yet to be issued, but the trust was “not really worried about those”.
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