Monthly Archives: July 2009

Logan Park hits the brakes

The stadium’s potential pulling-power as a home for sporting organisations and groups, such as the academy or Unipol, had to be considered… –Mick Reece, DCC

### ODT Online Thu, 30 Jul 2009
Logan Park plans shelved for now
By Chris Morris
Plans for the $12 million redevelopment of Logan Park, considered the most important recreational space in Dunedin, are going back to the drawing board.
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From the incredible files…

At ODT Online:

More parking ….
Submitted by MikeStk on Thu, 30/07/2009 – 6:22am.

A friend pointed out last night that she thought the real reason for wanting to replace the grass at Logan Park is because the DCC has finally realised that the stadium has no real parking for patrons available (less now that students have been pushed into the area by the recent parking changes), and the city doesn’t have enough buses to keep normal services running at the same time and to bring people to the stadium. As a result she thinks they’ve decided that Logan Park will make a great parking lot.

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D Scene: Letters only

This week D Scene usefully gets stuck into Otago Museum’s management culture again, and devotes half a page to letters about stadium issues…

### D Scene 29-7-09 (page 11)
Your say
Great stadium leaders by Joe Jones, Waikouaiti
What’s money? by G R MacDonald, St Kilda
Stadium tenant by Calvin Oaten, Pine Hill
Stadium name by Simon Sutherland, Dunedin

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Something about a stadium?










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And we love talking

Hi all,

I’m not much into back-room secrets here at What if?, there are some things that go no further than Elizabeth and I who are the only two who administer this site such as email addresses etc (just for your piece of mind), but some stuff I am more than happy to share with you.

The statistics are one thing we are very happy to share with you folk. As you all know I started this as a place for criticism and discussion around the design and architecture of the building. It bubbled along nicely for a long time, then the day politics entered the fray, all hell broke loose. Some time over the last day or two we have reached a milestone for a single issue small city issue – 50,000 visitors.

Some folk can’t believe I haven’t had advertising on this site given the traffic it generates (still pretty small really), others have accused me of being in the pocket of the CST. Unfortunately I haven’t made a single dime from this site, and I’d hate to think of the time Elizabeth and I have put in (not to mention the contributions you have all made).

The chart is generated by WordPress on the statistics of visitor numbers. As you can see over the last few months things really have taken off and this site is now averaging a stunning 7500+ visitors a month (we haven’t yet finished this month either!).


So in the light of reaching 50,000 visitors to a site about a single issue (well not lately) in a small part of the world, cheers all and hope you are getting as much out of it as we are.


Paul Le Comte
Founder & co-AdminP


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DCC in firing line

Again, what is public consultation – it’s not a desktop exercise…

### ODT Online Tue, 28 Jul 2009
Editorial: Losing the plot

Seldom has the Dunedin City Council been under such sustained opprobrium as at present. Every move seems to bring a torrent of criticism. While the fiercest and most bitter attacks have come through opposition to the Forsyth Barr Stadium, a series of other matters have also raised ire, protest or disquiet.
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Stadium turf

### ODT Online Tue, 28 Jul 2009
‘Grass will grow in stadium’
By David Loughrey

The success of an experiment designed to discover whether grass would grow under the roof of Forsyth Barr Stadium has its developers expecting there will be only limited restrictions on the stadium’s use.
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Otago stadium flyover

Contain your excitement…

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Dunedin City Forum held

### ODT Online Fri, 24 Jul 2009
Dunedin’s leaders consider direction
By David Loughrey

A group including leaders of Dunedin’s business, tertiary education and social services sectors came together yesterday to help decide the future direction of the city. The Dunedin City Forum was held at the Dunedin Centre to consider whether the city was heading in the right direction and whether its priorities were right.
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The report (to the Finance and Strategy Committee, dated 1/1/09) describing the forum and who would be invited (interim listing) is available on the DCC website:

Report – FSC – 22/06/2009 (PDF, 82.9 kb, new window)
Dunedin City Forum 2009


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ORC, tax and the $tadium

### ODT Online Fri, 24 Jul 2009
Tax implications for ORC in stadium
By Rebecca Fox

Otago Regional Council staff have been asked to look into the tax implications of the payments the council is making towards the Forsyth Barr Stadium.
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Facebook campaign v DCC

Is it worth it?
We note the increase in Facebook referrals to What if?…
Today, ODT’s front page article says the What if? Stadium of Dunedin site “contributed to lively debate”… ODT, thanks for the heads up and free advertising.

### ODT Online Fri, 24 Jul 2009
Bagging DCC an instant online hit
By Chris Morris

A new online group which says the Dunedin City Council has “lost the plot” has become an instant hit on the social networking site Facebook. The group was launched by Dunedin musician Chris Keogh on July 17, but days later its membership had increased to more than 1600 people.
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ORC coughs up for $tadium

At last, some stadium news…

### ODT Online Tue, 21 Jul 2009
ORC’s first stadium payment to be made from reserves
By Rebecca Fox

The Otago Regional Council’s first payment towards the Forsyth Barr Stadium will come from its reserves, as its borrowing arrangements have not yet been finalised.
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DCC + former CPO + others(??) = a public library (yeah right)


Yawn…there’s better uses for the building, even if a library would draw people to the (stultifying) Exchange area. The Exchange deserves to be a place of greater vitality, but a library here and not at the centre of town and not at South Dunedin… At least they’re doing feasibility. And a joint venture makes a lot of sense, this is a big building… is ORC no longer in the picture, or is it one of the collaborators – remember Mayor Chin wrote another letter recently…

### Channel 9 Online July 20, 2009 – 7:17pm
Possible Relocation Of The Moray Place Library
Mayor Peter Chin announced today the Dunedin City Council has signed a joint venture feasibility agreement to explore the possible relocation of the Moray Place Library to the old Chief Post Office building. Chin says the study, will take up to six months and will test if the building meets the library’s requirements and also evaluate possible uses for the current library building.
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On July 16, 2009 at 7:32 am Anon said:
Tremain should have fun with the fact that we now own the old Post Office too, deal signed two days ago. Link

Upgrade Anon’s theory of a purchase to the deal mentioned at Channel 9, and look for more information in tomorrow’s ODT.


### ODT Online Tue, 21 Jul 2009
Exchange plan for library
By David Loughrey and Rebecca Fox
The Dunedin City Council ended weeks of speculation when it confirmed yesterday it would investigate moving the Dunedin city library to the former chief post office building in the Exchange. Mayor Peter Chin announced the council had signed a joint venture feasibility agreement with building owner South Canterbury Finance to “investigate the CPO’s potential”.
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### ODT Online Tue, 21 Jul 2009
Library plan welcomed in Exchange
By David Loughrey
Businesses in the Exchange in Dunedin are pleased with the idea of a having a library in their midst, expecting a resulting increase in foot traffic to bolster trade, if the plan reaches fruition.
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The former Chief Post Office…
I’ve done a computer search and find I have 160 files relating to the building – some to do with a nomination to upgrade the building’s NZHPT registration from Cat II to Cat I (dated 17/8/02). The nomination proposal received a lot of debate but in the end, and rightly, the NZHPT Board (national) declined to change the classification while the building was up for redevelopment. Nevertheless, through the exercise we produced a dossier of handy information. I had the NZHPT Otago Branch Committee commission a freelance heritage researcher, Heather Bauchop, for the work, with assistance from NZHPT’s McKay Bequest Fund. Heather is currently employed in the Dunedin office as Heritage Advisor – Registration. The following link is how the final nomination sat (in the now outdated format) for a registration upgrade…

█ Download: Dunedin CPO Nomination FINAL 17-8-02

I’m not sure if the file has changed since, but certainly nothing else has been attempted on the registration front. NZHPT’s Otago Southland Area Office at Dunedin holds the complete property file and the registration file, parts of which can be viewed at the office upon request.

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Want/need free Wi-Fi network – do we???

The proposal would bring social and economic benefits and help brand Dunedin as a “technology savvy city”…

### ODT Online Mon, 20 Jul 2009
Free wireless zones for city proposed
By Chris Morris

Plans for a free wireless internet network in Dunedin could soon mean people logging on over lattes in the Octagon.
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DCC Economic Development Committee meeting
Tuesday 21 July 2009, Edinburgh Room, Municipal Chambers, starting 2pm

Agenda – EDC – 21/07/2009 (PDF, 14.8 kb, new window)

Report – EDC – 21/07/2009 (PDF, 64.2 kb, new window)
Dunedin Free Internet

See also:

Report – EDC – 21/07/2009 (PDF, 44.0 kb, new window)
Dunedin City Digital Communications Strategy Update of Proposal


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Good News: DCC urban design and heritage appointments

Hmmm, preventing “concrete block igloos” being built beside heritage buildings…

### ODT Online Sat, 18 Jul 2009
Boost for city’s urban design, heritage
By David Loughrey

Urban design and heritage in Dunedin has received a substantial boost, with three new urban designers and a heritage policy planner bolstering the ranks of the Dunedin City Council.
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New appointments:
Principal urban designer: Steven Miles
Urban designer: Mike Daffern
Urban design special project manager: Emma Burford
Policy planner (heritage): Glen Hazelton


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D Scene: mere trifles

Last week, editor Ryan Keen invited readers to send in nicknames for the stadium. In this week’s edition there isn’t a terrific number of suggestions or terms of endearment.

It used to be the “Awatea Street stadium” (note lower case s), then “Otago Stadium”, superseded by “Forsyth Barr Stadium” at what’s it.

When Malcolm Farry suggested “it” as a place students would visit for lunch – a beer and a pie – a few of us adopted the “Plastic Lunch Box” or more simply the “Lunch Box”, to rival as well as complement Wellington’s “Cake Tin”. Why not?

We’ve also had “Awatea Albatross” (glorified in a Garrick Tremain cartoon), “Flying Pig”, “White Elephant”, “Farry’s Folly”, “Farrisbrook”…and special un-names like the cow shed, and OMG, the rugby pavilion.

There are those of us who swear at it.

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### D Scene 15-7-09 (page 10)
Your say: Naming the new stadium
“Farry’s Glory Box” – Bill Bennett, Wingatui
“The House of Drain” – Kerry Hand, Dunedin
“faith, hope and charity” – ID Fincham, Mornington
“Glasshouse” – Brian Holden, Tainui
“Thorp”, short for “The House Of Ratepayers’ Pain” – Johan La Rooy, St Leonards

Other tacks at Your Say:

N Poole of Green Island hopes the investment made by the council in Carisbrook will keep it as a sports venue, “as there are going to be major costs coming up to keep the sea from eating the sports grounds along Victoria Road”.

JM Bruce of Dunedin says it’s not too late to withdraw from the Awatea St stadium contract… “It’s time for common sense, councillors”.

Sick of it Adrian Jansen of Port Chalmers says: “The stadium was a lucrative deal for what Chris Roy calls business people.”

Be concerned Syd Adie of Brockville believes “the ratepayers pulled ORFU out of debt and will keep them debt-free”.


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Basil Walker's open letter to ORC

### ODT Online Tue, 14 Jul 2009
Council questioned over involvement in Waikato land purchases

Queenstown man Basil Walker is questioning an Otago Regional Council subsidiary company’s involvement in land purchases in the Waikato.
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Chin's writing team and the dull thuds

Today in the Otago Daily Times, Mayor Peter Chin emoted a response to two letters to the editor that, I suggest, includes part-texts that others at DCC have dished up as the party line.

The letters and the reply address DCC’s purchase of Carisbrook. But where ORFU truly sits in the council’s financial plans, heaven knows. Don’t depend on the mayor to tell us. Perhaps Cr Guest will leak it, inadvertently.

The mayor’s response appears to have some reliance on the DCC letter sent to all Annual Plan/LTCCP submitters on the stadium – a most unfortunate communication that has won little public reaction; no doubt people have seen it for what it is.

I’ll lead in here with Garrick Tremain’s latest offering as we reflect on DCC’s movements of late – and briefly cite the ODT correspondence.

All this is accompanied by the sound of stadium pile driving tonight (18:38pm). The dull repetitive thuds of DCC’s errant business planning!

Cartoonist’s view – Tremain

### ODT Monday, July 13, 2009 (page 8)
Letters to the editor
Carisbrook price an added cost for stadium

Letter by Calvin Oaten, Pine Hill
Dunedin City Council chief executive Jim Harland, in his reply to my questions (ODT, 12.6.09), leaves me even more troubled than before. When asked why the DCC bought Carisbrook, his reply was: “to assist the ORFU as anchor tenant in the new stadium and to secure a piece of industrial land for the future of the city”.

Letter by Philip Temple, Dunedin
The CEO of the Dunedin Cit Council, Jim Harland, in reply to a correspondent (12.6.09) stated that the DCC was buying Carisbrook “to assist the ORFU as anchor tenant in the new stadium” and that the purchase price (still unknown) was not budgeted into the stadium cost because “the council’s concern is to ensure the ORFU is in a viable financial position looking into the future”.

Mayor Peter Chin replies: “Whether the ORFU is described as ‘an anchor tenant’ or ‘major hirer’ or ‘key stakeholder’ is only a matter of semantics. The fact is that a successful ORFU is important to the success of the stadium.”

The full letters and the reply are available in print and digital editions of the ODT.


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Channel 9: Dunedin's major roading projects

Channel 9 news reports the Regional Transport Committee of the Otago Regional Council has a $520 million programme to cover all roading projects in Otago, including major projects and maintenance, for the next three years.

The programme will be lodged with the New Zealand Transport Agency and assessed with those from around the country.

The NZTA board meets at the end of July. The Regional Transport Committee expects the tick-off on most of its projects then.

The three major projects prioritised for Dunedin are:

– Completion of the Caversham Corridor (worth $15 million)

– Extension of the pedestrian and cycle way from Maia to Port Chalmers

– Improvements from Frederick Street to Parry Street, including the realignment of a section of State Highway 88 and a new bridge over the Leith Stream. The project has been on the drawing board for quite some time; it recognises the high pedestrian count on Anzac Avenue and the need to separate off heavy traffic for greater safety. Construction of the stadium has brought the project forward.

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Delta dawn what’s that flower…

### National Business Review Thursday July 9 2009 – 08:03am
Dunedin City Council’s Delta rescues Hanover at Jacks Point
By Chris Hutching

Dunedin City Council-owned electricity contractor Delta has bought 100 sections at the 700-lot Jacks Point development in Queenstown that were earmarked for troubled Hanover Finance.

Lines company Delta has expertise in servicing new subdivisions but has recently become involved as an owner, buying a half share from Jim Boult in an uncompleted 150-lot sub division at Luggate.

Delta spokesman Steven Wilson declined to reveal details about the latest deal but disagreed that Delta was “buying work”.
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Jacks Point Website
Information on a residential and resort development on the shores of Lake Wakatipu at the foot of The Remarkables.


### ODT Online Thu, 09/07/2009 – 12:40pm.
Comment by Tired Farmer on Tired farmer
Tired Farmer has just read in the NBR that Dunedin’s City Council’s Delta has rescued Hanover by purchashing one hundred sections at Jack’s Point Queenstown and also a half share in Jim Boult’s Luggate Empire. Who would be a DCC ratepayer? Will there now be a Forsyth Barr Stadium at Queenstown.


### ODT Online Thu, 09/07/2009 – 11:02am.
Comment by Sally on Glad not to be a ratepayer of DCC
Gosh am I thankful that I am not a ratepayer of the DCC, have just read that the Dunedin City Council-owned electricity contractor Delta has bought 100 sections at the 700-lot Jacks Point development in Queenstown that were earmarked for troubled Hanover Finance. This council is out of control with no sound business practice and prudent stewardship of resources has gone out the back door. It is evident that the old boys network is alive and well.

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A response to Chris Skellett

My Gran was a very wise person. One of her (and many others) gems was, “If you haven’t got anything nice to say – shut up, the world doesn’t need more grumps!”.

I do wish the editors of the ODT would apply this to their slide rule of editorial decision making. Take for instance the piece in the ODT today under the loose interpretation of the word – Opinion. Having read Chris Skellett’s piece many times, I am still a little confused as to what the ‘opinion’ of the writer actually is? Or am I?

If I can be so presumptuous as to assume that under the thinly veiled attack on Architectural rendering, it is actually a dig at the Civic leaders and their spending on big ticket architectural ventures. So why not say that, instead of the somewhat colourful and annoyingly deceitful soliloquy.

So what exactly is Chris saying?

Having carefully considered the dubious architectural merits of each.

Really? Have you considered the architectural merits of each. This would be from the qualified position of Psychologist (If I have the correct Chris Skellett of Dunedin). Prey tell, in your qualified or even slightly interested opinion, what are the dubious architectural merits? Shame we never really get to hear these, as we are taken on a colourful story about the people depicted in the artist renderings. First up for his criticism is the architectural renderings of the proposed (and now shelved) ORC Waterfront development.

I now find myself curiously drawn to the behaviour of those tiny little stick figures that can be seen inhabiting this brave new world… However, as I studied these computer-generated people, I realised none of them seemed to be actually going in or out of the building.”


I wonder if his ‘careful consideration’ actually meant he looked at these pics. For as far as I can tell, there are people in the top level of this building in a meeting – you know doing the stuff that is expected of an ORC? Further, it looks pretty clear to me that there are folk on the inside ground level of this building. What does he actually want, people holding doors open for each other, actual depiction’s of people entering and leaving the building.

But of course it didn’t take long for the attack to swing to the stadium.

I saw another fanciful sketch, again lying beneath clear blue skies. Strangely, the neighbouring Leith Stream was portrayed as a tranquil blue lake, with romantic couples strolling along a tree-lined promenade.


{This may not be the image he is talking about, but it’s one from the series.} Firstly, the Water of Leith depicted in this resembles one of the Tekapo Canals more than a lake. It is neither overly romantic nor is it anything other than an architectural rendering of the potential final development of the area. Further I would imagine the demographic is pretty bang on.

Why are they all wandering so aimlessly alongside the Leith, headed for the petrochemical supply depot behind the recycling station?

No, they are not wandering to the Petrochemical depot. In this image at least, those on this side of the Water of Leith are walking on the whole towards the University/Polytechnic area. A very strange thing for students to be doing, walking in the direction of their place of study I know, but bear with me here Chris, it gets more interesting. They could have just come from an event at the stadium and lo and behold they are walking to their cars or other transport? Further, if they were heading toward the Petrochemical depot, I would assume they are walking to their car parked in the area of the newly diverted road?

Don’t they realise that it’s a dead end up there.” No, as far as I can tell, it will not be a dead end, but the diverted main road to Port Chalmers (but I could be corrected). But who cares if it is a dead end. On the countless days in which Dunedin is as tranquil as this (like today in the middle of winter) people do tend to walk into said areas for lunch etc. They do elsewhere in the world where waterfront architecture exists, it’s the lure of the sky, the sea and architectural features. Two of my most favourite sites in the world for lunch is Canada Place in Vancouver and outside the Tate Modern in London (with the crystal clear Thames).

But here we go… “It is an ugly, concrete embarrassment to anyone with an aesthetic sensibility.” Really, says you? But that is indeed an opinion, and I would disagree 100%.

Are they genuinely going to beautify the Leith as part of the stadium plans?” Short answer YES. But that is all part of the Water of Leith flood protection realignment and redevelopment (and sorry I am not up on at what stage this is at).

It seems in the future, people will stroll casually around town, lightly dressed and often with arms romantically entwined.” I was thinking the same thing today as I was walking around the University in my t-shirt (in winter) – how utterly lucky I am to be walking around here lightly dressed. But then on the couple of days this past summer, where the mercury unofficially past 40°C in a couple of places around town, the people were lightly clad – I certainly was. But then, so bloody what. Is this a bad thing?

Their evident lack of purpose or sense of direction becomes alarming once you stop and think about it.” OMG you bloody busy body. How shameful of them, why was this drawing done depicting a lunch time, or after work, or weekend, or public holiday. How dare they even consider leisure time. Funny, coming from a Psychologist, I would have assumed that some of his advice to clients from time to time is to take it easy and relax a little.

But then, he puts all of his moaning and complaints in context “At the end of the day, these impressions are just that. They are simply impressions.” Yes Chris they are. They are a recognised tool which the architectural community uses to illustrate their vision. Mind you, you can’t please everyone, people have accused the stunning drawing of the stadium at the top of this blog’s header as post-apocalyptic, dark and gloomy. It’s a tool to illustrate a concept, just as your words are Chris.

I do however find the next statement stunningly depressing. “The weather will not be any warmer, and the Leith will not be turning azure blue.” Sorry, but today’s sky was the most stunning blue, and funny thing about water, it reflects the colour of the sky (water doesn’t actually have a colour, the pollutants and suspended particles reflect the colour), and the Leith today was a stunning Azure Blue, and now with the slight cloud cover and lowering winter sky, the water has taken on a somewhat brownish colour. Even this evening the sky was a stunning Mauve, changing the Water of Leith once again.


And howling southerlies will continue to whip fiercely across any open public space in town.” Yes it will, but then it does in nearly every city in the country from time to time. But it seems to me that Chris rather likes this city being a little dreary, rough around the edges, like all cities are. Indeed Vancouver (praised so highly by Chris) has one of the highest rates of Gun violence in Canada, and the Lower East Side of Downtown is a virtual no go area, where injecting Heroin in full public view is not uncommon. But howling Southerlies are not the norm of Dunedin, and no, sorry Chris, they do not invade every public space in this city. Indeed the location of the stadium is somewhat more sheltered from said Southerlies than where I live on the peninsula and certainly more so than the current Carisbrook. I look forward each day in a decent Southerly to coming to work in the Logan Park area, just to get away from said wind.

Going back earlier in the article, it’s amazing how people can participate in the very practice that he is being critical of, this time using words. With his words, Chris was every bit as colourful with the truth as these architectural renderings are.

It looked stunningly modern and sleek. It could have been San Diego or Vancouver.” (again I will supply pics later). Having lived in Vancouver, yes it is a stunning place, when it is still, in the middle of summer and warm. However since Vancouver gets about twice as much rain as Dunedin, and the saying in Vancouver is the rain starts in September, turns to snow in December, back to rain in Feb and finally stops in April, I’m not sure which images of Vancouver he would like to evoke. Sure English Bay with the stunning skyline is just amazing, but the snow and slush up to 10cm deep I regularly had to negotiate in Vancouver is no romantic scene – that’s for sure.

{From my stay there in 2007}

can easily become this within a matter of hours, and last for months on end.


So in the end, Chris is guilty of doing exactly what he is accusing the architectural renderings of doing, being colourful with the truth. Vancouver isn’t the beautiful place that he tells us it is, yes from time to time it can be, but it can also be one of the most dreary places on god’s clean earth. Do we even mention the overbearing heat and haze of San Diego?

If there are no snotty kids, vagrants or old people in overcoats with shopping bags on show, then we truly will have confirmation of the city fathers’ future vision for us all.


Ok I’m not privy to the nasal leakage of these kids, but there really does seem to be parents and kids, and if I’m not mistaken, isn’t that dad on the right losing his hair.

These images are not ideal futurism as suggested by the author. This is…

(for more stunning images of Futuristic renderings)

What these are, are classic architectural renderings of yes an Idea, but that is all. I can not believe that a Psychologist can come up with such a sweeping statement, “Just happy, shiny people, wandering around town without purpose, direction or ambition.” I can’t speak for the stick insect images in the ORC renderings, let’s assume they are happy, that would be nice wouldn’t it. But for the man with the receding hairdo and the kids, I hope he’s having a good day.

After all what is the alternative? How else are we to sell architectural plans which people so often have difficulty in visualising?


Doesn’t really work does it. Still he has purpose and ‘ambition’?

Sorry Chris, your argument is weak and your point is even weaker. You don’t like these developments, but don’t knock the city and its people.

BTW Chris, middle of Winter, this is a bloody nice place to live, rivals Vancouver on its best.



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False impressions

Just happy, shiny people, wandering around town without purpose, direction or ambition.

### ODT Online Thu, 9 Jul 2009
Citizens in a dreamworld
By Chris Skellett

Do the artists who create the snazzy “impressions” of future construction projects live in the same Dunedin as the rest of us? Chris Skellett doubts it.
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– Chris Skellett is a Warrington writer.

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Designing public transport for repeat use

The writer says a fraction of the money spent on the stadium would provide a first-class public transport service for Dunedin. In a short time, the rate of return would be infinitely more than the stadium will produce.

### ODT Online Thu, 9 Jul 2009
Muddled thinking on buses
By Phillip Cole
Bus fares have risen by 56% in the past 12 months and new routes have been introduced. But has there been any strategic long-term planning behind the moves? Phillip Cole has his doubts.
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● Phillip Cole is co-chairman of Sustainable Dunedin City and is a transportation engineer and ex-bus user of the Dunedin public transport system who walks to and from work.

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The mayor writes in confidence

### ODT Online Thu, 9 Jul 2009
Guest apologises to councillors over Chin letter breach
By Chris Morris

A second Dunedin city councillor has been forced to apologise after breaking Dunedin City Council rules governing confidential information.
Mr Chin would not say, when asked, if the letter [to the Otago Regional Council] discussed any aspect of the Forsyth Barr Stadium project.
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Looming big projects

### ODT Online Wed, 8 Jul 2009
Projects a boost for city firms
By Chris Morris
Amalgamated Builders Ltd (ABL) and Lund South staff in Dunedin made a combined bid to secure the subcontract for concrete work associated with the Forsyth Barr Stadium’s two main stands. The $8 million contract will provide work for up to 50 of their employees at the site.
Looming big projects in or near Dunedin include the Forsyth Barr Stadium, the Regent Theatre upgrade, the Dunedin Town Hall redevelopment, the next stage of the Otago Settlers Museum upgrade, the building of the Bunnings Warehouse and major changes to the Otago Corrections Facility at Milburn.
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D Scene behind with name calling

A slow news week at D Scene. Read What if? or ODT instead.

### D Scene 8-7-09 (page 3)
Got a complex
By Ryan Keen, Editor
Forsyth Barr Stadium at University Plaza. Mmmm. It doesn’t exactly roll off the tongue does it. You’d like to think those driving the controversial $198 million project didn’t spend too much coming up with that clunky moniker. Given the brand launch for the…deep breath now…Forsyth Barr Stadium at University what’s it was held just last week, it’s time to consider other names for the venue. Let’s hope, once it’s built, that it doesn’t take too long for a popular nickname to emerge. Mind you, if you count Farry’s Folly or Awatea St Albatross then a few already have.

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Stadium battle set for another round (page 4)
By Michelle Sutton
The legal battle over Otago’s controversial stadium looks set to return to court. Queenstown resident Basil Walker says he is appealing the Dunedin High Court decision, and will lodge the appeal this week.
Otago Regional Council counsel Alistair Logan says $12,890 has been fixed as the amount the regional council can seek from Walker.


(page 8)
A $15 million funding agreement between Dunedin City Council and the Government has been signed. The agreement includes a condition that the stadium will be available for games in September 2011 for the Rugby World Cup. The $15 million was paid to DCC on July 1.

Your say: Dunedin on Dunedin (page 9)
The good old days: beer at council by Gavin MacDonald, Dunedin
Whistle blows by Gordon Johnston, Opoho
Clarity for Clare by Peter Attwooll, Dunedin
Sick of it by Chris Roy, Dunedin
City Heart by Brian Andrews, St Kilda

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