Dunedin bus shelters

UPDATED POST 2.1.13

BusShelterPhoto supplied.

About 100 new bus shelters, and objections to about 50 of them! Will they have seating installed? (perhaps the aged and infirm are required to stand for all late buses… y’know, the 15-20 minute waits) Design, what design.

### ODT Online Tue, 21 Feb 2012
New Dunedin bus shelters let you see and be seen
By Rebecca Fox
New “modern street furniture” bus shelters similar to those seen in Frankton Rd, Queenstown, will soon be installed on many Dunedin streets. Bus shelters have been a controversial issue in the city for many years and their design and cost has been debated many times by both regional and city councils. […] With a design agreed upon and the contract let, new shelters costing about $7000 each will be seen around the city within the next two months.
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Posted by Elizabeth Kerr

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25 responses to “Dunedin bus shelters

  1. Elizabeth

    ### ODT Online Tue, 6 Mar 2012
    Vandervis walks out of hearing
    By Chris Morris
    A public hearing on new bus shelters planned for Dunedin turned into a political spat yesterday when committee member Cr Lee Vandervis criticised the process and then quit the meeting in protest.

    Cr Vandervis – one of three committee members – began the session by grilling lawyer Michael Garbett about legal advice given to the committee that suggested it should consider only a narrow range of public concerns relating to impeded access.

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  2. pat adamson

    Dunedin Bus Shelters need seats, those doing the planning don’t realise many of the elderly find standing difficult. Our bus shelters used to always have seats as well as the many bus stops in town. I take the car since there are no seats at the bus stops now, as standing for any length of time is difficult. Good on Lee Vandervis, he at least is practical; a pity more of the Councillors aren’t.

    • Elizabeth

      Pat, I fully agree. I’m appalled that ORC/DCC have ignored and abandoned ‘The Accessible Journey’ policy contained in the Dunedin City Disability Strategy. Clearly, these shelters are designed by the people who always drive cars and have full health and mobility? Simply, shelter has to serve the public whether they use walking aids, wheelchairs, or cannot stand without support for even relatively short periods of time. NO SEATS IS A TOTAL CRIME. I’m furious.

  3. Hype O'Thermia

    There is far too much of this muddled thinking.

    “We’re awf’ly keen on sustainibility” – so we tried to ban beehives from the city.

    What do bees do, Mummy? -Bees sting! Naughty bees.
    What do bees do, Daddy? -Bees make honey. -Yummy – clever bees.
    What do bees do, Grandpa? -Bees pollinate, that is fruit trees produce apples and plums, and we get crops from the bean and pea seeds we planted, little DCC-wallah.

    How can we recycle weeds and food scraps, Nana? -We can keep chickens, they eat grass and weeds and scraps along with their proper balanced feed and lay lovely eggs with bright yellow yolks.
    But Nana, they do poos! -Worms like poos, they incorporate it with dead plants and make soil rich so it can produce more veges and fruit.
    But Nana, roosters crow loudly. -That’s why the council is against them, noise is bad.
    Does that mean noise from the stadium? It annoys people far and wide. -No dear, that’s noise people have to put up with because, well, those people who are annoyed are supposed to put up with it.
    I don’t understand, Nana. -You and me both, dear.

    Old lady, Our view is that your chickens encourage flies and vermin. You have to apply for a permit, we won’t let you keep enough on your big section to feed your extended family. We know best And what’s more we are committed to sustainability.

    [Nana mutters, “I know where they’d be committed to if I had my way.”]

    • Elizabeth

      ### ODT Online Wed, 7 Mar 2012
      Bus shelter decisions to be made in two parts
      By Chris Morris
      A decision regarding about 80 new glass bus shelters planned for sites throughout Dunedin is expected within a week, after the Dunedin City Council hearings committee yesterday concluded a two-day meeting. However, a final decision about plans for another 40 more contentious shelters could be delayed by “a couple of weeks”, after they drew opposition from neighbours, committee chairman Cr Colin Weatherall confirmed.
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      • Elizabeth

        Priority: Bus shelters NEED SEATS

        ### ODT Online Wed, 25 Apr 2012
        Choice suggested in bus shelter design
        By Chris Morris
        Dunedin residents may have a say in the design of new bus shelters coming to a street near them – but only at a cost. The suggestion came at yesterday’s Dunedin City Council planning and environment committee meeting, as councillors considered final plans for 124 new glass bus shelters at existing bus stops around the city.
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        Report – PEC – 24/04/2012 (PDF, 326.3 KB)
        Bus Shelter Installation

        • Elizabeth

          Bus shelters, ugly, no seats.

          ### ch9.co.nz July 3, 2012 – 5:54pm
          Workers installing bus shelters
          Workers have begun what is the big job of installing 116 bus shelters across the city in not much more than a week.
          Video

  4. Phil

    Serious ? No seats ? Naaah.

    • Elizabeth

      Have checked with DCC via Twitter, they say only some shelters will have seats, all will have leaning rails.

      Not good enough.

  5. Calvin Oaten

    Why the nonsense of this stuff when the tenders for the shelters are already let. Is this the real consultation process that both bodies espouse? Democracy writ …. not!

  6. Lindsay

    Seem to have been designed by someone who has never actually caught a bus. Not sure they will offer much protection when a southerly is blowing – the sides need to be wider and the one at the bottom of Albany St is helpfully facing down Anzac Ave into the weather.

    • Elizabeth

      Tragic isn’t it. DCC tried to tell me they’d consulted with Disability groups on the design – why don’t I believe them, or if I do… did the Disability groups consult Occupational Therapists who understand Accessible Journey principles that underpin the New Zealand Disability Strategy.

  7. Hype O'Thermia

    Depends on the disability….
    Deaf people are catered for admirably by the glass which allows them to see the bus coming.
    It’s all a question of consulting the “right” people to get the answer you want. ACC did it superbly, sending people on agonising journeys just so they could be examined by the doctor who finds their agony at sitting, standing and lying down isn’t really due to the accident, it’s a pre-existing condition that would have got this bad even if they hadn’t been run over by a truck that didn’t get a chance to stop in time when a bull tossed them onto the road.

    • Elizabeth

      Agree it’s about the disability… the Accessible Journey means for “all people”. These bus shelters fall way short – that two councils are responsible, ORC and DCC, shows the true scale of incompetence running this city.

      I remember reading ORC’s printed reply to a Dunedin resident asking if seats will be fitted. I’ve never read such an insensitive uneducated reply, from one Gerard Collings, Manager Support Services. He’s not normally that thick. But the answer was along the lines that yes seats can be fitted to these structures, but it would be a while before consideration was given to this and then only for some shelters. The answer wasn’t qualified at all. The worst piece of communication I’ve seen for ages excepting Graham McKerracher on the cost of DCC’s rebranding Otago Settlers Museum.

      Dumbed down local government.

      The point is too, that bus shelters should be able to accommodate at least one wheelchair user. Let me say the length and breadth of a friend’s electric wheelchair would rule out the ‘shelter’ concept immediately. The bastards in council should be blinded or kneecapped (their choice!!) and made to to travel this city by public transport. See how they fare.

  8. Outdoors

    Slightly cheaper than the previous model which worked out to $11k? Were these also subsidised by NZTA to the tune of 60%? If so exceptional value to the ratepayer? Excuse me for being uninformed, are these replacing current stock or adding to it?
    Would a free sturdy umbrella for every concession ticket purchased not represent better value given the patronage?
    Let’s not get into the patronage argument, there is not enough space on the entire internet for that, obvious to all except the ORC.
    Bus shelters, an asset? The land belongs to the DCC but the improvements 60% owned by NZTA, mixed model ownership indeed.
    Perhaps built with the intention to sell to mum and dad investors, better still they make a wonderful billboard, how about the ORFU shelter at University Plaza (payable in advance if you don’t mind), the ODT shelter on Stuart, can we have a What if shelter, I will chip in a couple.
    Cynical?

  9. Amanda

    What are the city’s priorities? We know Cull and his stadium councillors’ priorities are to support ‘professional’ rugby. Is this the explanation for the seatless buse shelters ? To save money so they can throw more at the rugby bludgers? Bus customers are people who are not able to cycle or walk and and who are more likely to need seats (the elderly, those with disability or who have little children in tow). This is about the right to be able to travel in this city, if a person cannot physically tolerate standing for half an hour for a bus they are no longer able to travel into town if these seatless bus shelters are all that the city provides.

  10. Amanda

    Not one more cent on professional rugby or the stadium; any mayoral candidate who wants my vote needs to tell me this.

  11. Calvin Oaten

    Amanda; I understand your angst over the DCC and the stadium, but I think the bus shelter thingy rests squarely with the ORC. Correct me if I am wrong. They are just as nuts of course.

    • Elizabeth

      That’s right Calvin. However, if the two councils were more cooperative (yeah right – well, for this issue anyway) the design of ‘hard-wearing’ bus shelters to meet user needs and townscape values might have been possible according to budget.

      Image: Channel 9

      • Elizabeth

        How do you argue for a seat in your bus shelter ?
        (why should you have to argue at all, it should be provided as matter of course – the whole situation is utterly ridiculous)


        ODT 22.11.12

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        ### stuff.co.nz Last updated 07:38 21/11/2012
        Supermarket sets up bus stop shops
        Wellingtonians waiting at the bus stop can now spend that time doing their Christmas shopping. Countdown supermarket has installed a feature at a Lambton Square bus stop which lets anyone with a smartphone and Countdown’s mobile app to scan barcodes on display and get their purchases delivered to their home. Products on display were chosen as they would be the typical food items at a Christmas dinner, Countdown general manager of marketing Bridget Lamont said. “It’s very much a trial at the moment. It’s far too early to tell if it’s going to take off but we do have ideas for a new scene after Christmas.”
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        Countdown’s new bus stop shop in Lambton Quay.
        Image: Kent Blechynden/Fairfax NZ

      • ### ODT Online Sun, 9 Jun 2013
        Timing of upgrade annoys
        By Tim Miller – The Star
        The Dunedin City Council’s decision to go ahead with the upgrade of the the city’s bus shelters during one of the coldest months of the year has not gone down well with everyone. Abbyfield resident Fionna Ogilvy said the timing of the upgrading of a new shelter on the corner of Balmacewen Rd and Lynn St could not have been worse for the nearby residents who used the shelter. ”It’s an odd thing for the council to do during what is one of our coldest months of the year. For elderly people who use the shelter a lot, not having somewhere to shelter out of the weather is terrible,” she said. Dunedin City Council programme engineer Michael Harrison said 13 new bus shelters would be installed during the next three to four weeks.
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        Interesting, the contractor, Community Asset Management, is based on the North Shore in Auckland; and all of the new shelters would include a seat…

  12. Anonymous

    A follow up to the chair escapade features in today’s Wash. I really think Dave Cannan is sitting on a beauty there. People should dust off their old chairs, and students definitely do something more constructive with their old couches, and place them in the shelters.

    Stick it to the Chair of Otago Regional Council.

    Let’s have a sit down!

    Ps. Feel free to post the list of councillors to the back of the chair… think about it, from their fancy pants seats they voted to make you stand. So vote them out next year. Who are they? https://dunedinstadium.wordpress.com/2012/11/12/delta-purchases-vandervis-oag-complaint-accepted/#comment-29248

  13. Anonymous

    Awesome. Seems the ODT has found a protest it can report on without upsetting the Good Old Boys…

    ‘Otago Polytechnic culinary arts student Conor Pomroy (20) enjoys the comforts of home while waiting for a bus on Harbour Tce yesterday. Photo by Jane Dawber.’

    Seats have been seen appearing in other places too. Can’t wait to read about the Fun Police at ORC or DCC threatening instant fines if the behaviour continues.

    I’m sure that decree will be issued from their cushy seat, in the warmth of their heated office.

    http://www.odt.co.nz/campus/otago-polytechnic/237409/all-comforts-home-bus-stop

  14. Elizabeth

    Photo added to post at top of thread, showing bus shelter with the seating fitted. The photographer notes: “It would seem they remove the wooden strip along the rear of the shelter to fit the seat[…]betcha that bit of styling cost the council a hundred or more so still [a] relevant example of their approach to spending other people’s money.”

  15. Hype O'Thermia

    Hundred, you’s joking.
    Posts, 2 of different heights*, painted or enamelled, box-section with flange probably bolted to concrete and drilled so timber can be attached, back directly, seat ?-supported on metal brace welded at right angles to posts. Timber fully dressed & coated with ?-clear polyurethane**.
    * one trip to site to measure up, another to install – 2 lots of travelling time at least. That’s not counting the desk-wallah who evaluated need and gave the go-ahead.
    Posts not standard height so either have to be ordered bulk and cut down or manufactured to fit individual sites, could be pre-drilled supplied ready to install.
    Just guessing here, I’m not in the construction biz. What I am sure of is it’s not “a” hundred, you get bugger-all materials for $100 let alone labour.

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