Stadiums, in particular the FB Aurora Delta Stadium at Dunedin

Olympiastadion München, opened 26 May 1972

Received from Gurglars
Thu, 8 Jun 2017 at 2:11 p.m.

Bayern Munich bought out TSV 1860 Munich, their 50% joint venture partners, for €11 million. The stadium cost €360 million and originally seated 80,000 pax.

This is despite the Stadium being used weekly for matches for Bayern and TS Munchen, and six World Cup games being played at the stadium.

█ Wikipedia: Olympiastadion (Munich)

What this tells us is that stadiums are worthless once built – are not assets, but liabilities.

If they are fully owned (no debt) and receipts go to the stadium owners then they can be profitable, but only if the owner is also the user. Thus the only hope is for the Highlanders/Otago to own the stadium.

The DCC have demonstrated that all they can rack up is more debt, more bills and more losses.

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Fat chance of Otago Rugby taking over the stadium while it continues to be subsidised by DVML – the true cost of which is not made public. ORFU is now making profits but declines to pay back the ratepayers for the ‘simple things’, like black tie dinners held at the stadium in recent times. God knows what we’re paying for while Mr Davies sits atop his rugby goal post roost, clucking inanely, looking down at the pretty (untouchable) grass.

The prima donna approach is a False Economy, but not for dullards and professional rugby thugs.

Rip up the grass, put in articial turf, and let the Otago stadium be used by more codes / more sports people.

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“It is a little naive to think because it is raining outside and there is water on the facilities, you can just come inside.” –Terry Davies

### ODT Online Thu, 8 Jun 2017
Unrealistic to have club sport at stadium – Davies
By Adrian Seconi
The chances of playing club sport under the roof at Forsyth Barr Stadium without an advanced booking are virtually nil, Dunedin Venues chief executive Terry Davies says. The issue came up in mid-April when the Dunedin City Council closed all its grounds due to poor weather. The Dunedin Rugby Metropolitan Council was reluctant to cancel round five of premier rugby and had hoped to play on the sand-based surfaces at Hancock Park and Kettle Park and possibly under the roof at Forsyth Barr Stadium. However, the stadium was ruled out because of scheduled maintenance. The issue came up again last month when grotty weather forced more cancellations, although premier rugby went ahead as planned. Davies said the idea club sport could be played at Forsyth Barr Stadium because of poor weather was naive. […] “The stadium was fundamentally built to deliver a real economic impact for the city. We have a number of major contracts in place with the professional rugby bodies … and there are other major events that we need to look after. On that basis we run quite a detailed maintenance schedule right through to the year it ensure we can deliver. The last thing we want to do is have a facility that is [not looking its best].”
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Posted by Elizabeth Kerr

This post is offered in the public interest.

Stadium Turf: Ox with a passion

Published 19 Jan 2014. Dunedin NZ.

Ox | Forsyth Barr Stadium | Insiders Dunedin
Groundsman at Forsyth Barr Stadium, Brendan Eathorne (Ox), is pretty sure he has the best job, in the best stadium in the world. This clip shows Forsyth Barr Stadium from the unique perspective of someone who knows it from the ground up. Video by Motion Sickness Studio.

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Related Posts and Comments: (some passing mentions)
3.12.13 DVML issues and rankles [Burden’s reply] (see comment)
30.11.13 DVML in disarray (see comment)
6.2.13 Editorial bias
30.10.12 Stadium turf-day +@#!$%^*&
26.1.12 Stadium debt goes to 40-year term
20.12.11 “High Performance Sport NZ Dunedin Centre” (NZ Turf)
3.8.11 D Scene broke the news (see comments)
15.3.11 Cr Dave Cull speech to Town Hall Meeting (delicious)
18.2.11 “Malcolm, it’s about stadium DEBT”
13.10.10 What to say: “reinforced grass”
23.9.10 Stadium: “Grass grows better inside than outside”
23.4.10 Stadium tenders, turf + future of Carisbrook
21.4.10 Stadium GMP clarification
28.7.09 Stadium turf

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Posted by Elizabeth Kerr

Stadium turf-day +@#!$%^*&

Tweet (9:28 AM – 30 Oct 12):

@ForBarrStadium #CommunityPitchInvasion Our turf is open to you this Sun (4 Nov) to enjoy & use as you would your local park, 2:30-4pm ow.ly/eRvP8

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Does this mean the hallowed turf is completely poked?
While the pitch at Carisbrook is maintained to perfection…

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Posted by Elizabeth Kerr

“Malcolm, it’s about stadium DEBT”

UPDATED

### 3news.co.nz Fri, 18 Feb 2011 6:38pm
Dunedin’s new stadium happy to prove critics wrong
By Dave Goosselink
It’s what you might call “grass roots” rugby. Former double international Jeff Wilson gave the turf at Forsyth Barr Stadium its first mow, less than a month after a special blend of seeds was first planted.

Critics have long questioned whether grass would actually grow under the stadium’s clear roof. Carisbrook Stadium Trust chairman Malcolm Farry is delighted to prove them wrong.

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### ODT Online Sat, 19 Feb 2011
Hard to grow? Get off the grass
By David Loughrey
Just under four weeks since it was sown, the much-discussed grass at Forsyth Barr Stadium appeared more than ready for the whirling blades of a motor mower last week. And Carisbrook Stadium Trust (CST) chairman Malcolm Farry, clearly remembering those who said turf could not be grown, invited a swag of media to the event, which he described as an “historical moment”.
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Malcolm will continue to rub the faces of the Dunedin public in the so-called grass right through RWC to Elton John, but what then? When does CST sink into the mud, better not lose the tops off those sprinkler taps, Malcolm.

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Posted by Elizabeth Kerr

What to say: “reinforced grass”

### ODT Online Wed, 13 Oct 2010
Stadium turf gets $605,556
By Hamish McNeilly
The Dunedin City Council has been granted more than $600,000 to buy an artificial turf system for Forsyth Barr Stadium, the largest poker machine grant given to a local body. New Zealand Community Trust chief executive Mike Knell confirmed the trust had granted $605,556 for the artificial turf system, following a request from the Dunedin City Council. “It is a legacy for the whole community,” he said.
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Posted by Elizabeth Kerr

Stadium: “Grass grows better inside than outside”

### ODT Online Thu, 23 Sep 2010
Work to start on stadium pitch
By David Loughrey
Work on the Forsyth Barr Stadium pitch is set to start in the next few weeks, and while funding has yet to be confirmed, the pitch design includes a turf reinforcing system developers expect will allow it to be used three times as often as natural turf.
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Posted by Elizabeth Kerr

Stadium roof

### ODT Online Fri, 7 May 2010
Stadium construction hits new heights
By David Loughrey and Chris Morris
Steel roofing trusses weighing about 100 tonnes each have been lifted into place at the Forsyth Barr Stadium in Dunedin, and the lift of a massive 700-tonne main truss may go ahead in the next couple of weeks.
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Post by Elizabeth Kerr

Stadium tenders, turf + future of Carisbrook

### ODT Online Fri, 23 Apr 2010
Stadium tenders over budget
By David Loughrey
Tenders for carpentry at the Forsyth Barr Stadium have come back “significantly over budget”, a new report on the project says. Carisbrook Stadium Trust chairman Malcolm Farry said last night that meant the trust would have to go back to the market to try to negotiate a more acceptable price, something he said had been done before, successfully, during the building process.
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The following reports will be discussed by the Dunedin City Council finance and strategy committee on Monday:

Report – FSC – 26/04/2010 (PDF, 1.0 mb, new window)
Stadium Stakeholders Group Report

Report – FSC – 26/10/2010 (PDF, 65.2 kb, new window)
Future of Carisbrook

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### ODT Online Fri, 23 Apr 2010
Public say on Carisbrook
By David Loughrey
A thorough consultation process will soon begin on the future of Carisbrook, and the Dunedin City Council is looking to the public for “reasonably practicable” options for its future. The high level of public interest in the historic ground means public meetings will be held to help decide the matter, but a report to next Monday’s finance and strategy committee meeting said the council was keen to “avoid devoting a lot of time, energy and expense to the consideration of impractical, expensive or frivolous options”.
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Posted by Elizabeth Kerr

Stadium GMP clarification

In reply to Calvin Oaten.

### ODT Online Tue, 20/04/2010 – 9:16pm.
Comment by Richard Walls on Answers to your questions:

(1) Whether the turf remains part of the GMP or is taken out is subject to current commercial tender and under discussion.
(2) Half of the temporary seating is included within the $165.4m Design and Construction budget. (My understanding is that the remainder will be hired in as required).
(3) The lighting of the playing area is included within the GMP.

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Post by Elizabeth Kerr

Stadium construction on track

### ODT Online Thu, 11 Feb 2010
Columns for stadium due tomorrow
By Chris Morris
The first pieces of two giant steel columns, together weighing more than 100 tonnes, are on their way south to Dunedin’s new Forsyth Barr Stadium. The twin columns, each weighing 55 tonnes, are made of steel tubes, and are being fabricated and painted in sections by workers at Grayson Engineering in Manukau, Auckland.

The University of Otago was expected to begin the groundworks for its building – linking the University Plaza and stadium – in May, in time to be completed by August 2011.
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Related posts:
10.2.10 Stadium news by tweet
10.2.10 David Davies: “The university wants a better finish and therefore they are going to have to pay for it”

Post by Elizabeth Kerr

Logan Park hits the brakes

The stadium’s potential pulling-power as a home for sporting organisations and groups, such as the academy or Unipol, had to be considered… –Mick Reece, DCC

### ODT Online Thu, 30 Jul 2009
Logan Park plans shelved for now
By Chris Morris
Plans for the $12 million redevelopment of Logan Park, considered the most important recreational space in Dunedin, are going back to the drawing board.
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From the incredible files…

At ODT Online:

More parking ….
Submitted by MikeStk on Thu, 30/07/2009 – 6:22am.

A friend pointed out last night that she thought the real reason for wanting to replace the grass at Logan Park is because the DCC has finally realised that the stadium has no real parking for patrons available (less now that students have been pushed into the area by the recent parking changes), and the city doesn’t have enough buses to keep normal services running at the same time and to bring people to the stadium. As a result she thinks they’ve decided that Logan Park will make a great parking lot.

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Posted by Elizabeth Kerr