Comment received at the post New Mosgiel Pool trust declared —(ready to r**t), published on 11 October 2014.
Rob Hamlin’s letter below is addressed to the Taieri Community Facilities Trust, contactable via the Pooling Together website.
Submitted on 2014/11/26 at 1:28 pm
As a resident of Mosgiel, I have just sent this e-mail to the Trust. Let’s see if they are prepared to engage with me as a member of the community!
I note the claim made in the ODT today that: “Compton Fundraising Group consultants interviewed 30 groups across the Taieri and calculated the communities were willing to contribute $7.5 million for a new facility.”
Now as a professional market researcher and market feasibility research educator I am fascinated by this remarkable calculation. By the simple expedient of dividing the $7.5 million by the number of rateable residences in the catchment I discover that my expected contribution would be between one and two thousand dollars. I am assuming residents will be the primary source of money as the area is not exactly flush with the large businesses that might otherwise stump up this money.
As you are asking the community to make a major decision here, I would expect this Compton report to be available in its entirety with its calculations explicit. This is all the more relevant as the Carisbrook Stadium Trust made a less ambitious donation claim within this same community, but on a less ambitious per capita basis for the Stadium. They eventually ended up delivering pretty much nothing, with the donation shortfall eventually being made up fully by the ratepayer.
If a similar shortfall occurs this time round, it is not beyond the realm of possibility that the ratepayers may be asked to stump up again to cover it, and it’s not unfair to predict that this might be funded by a specific targeted rate on the pool’s catchment. In which case the projected $1-2,000 voluntary donation becomes a non-discretionary tax. Were the shortfall to be c. 100% (as in the CST exercise) it would cause considerable hardship within some parts of the Mosgiel community, especially if it was augmented by a large shortfall in your predictions of operational revenue. I would reiterate that both these outcomes have now occurred with regard to the FB Stadium. As many of the poorer residents of Mosgiel are also very elderly, often live alone and are unlikely to be regular users of the pool, this would be a particularly unfair outcome.
As a Taieri resident who may (will) end up carrying the fiscal can for this, I would therefore be grateful if you would furnish me with a full copy of the Compton Fundraising Group report, with summaries of all meetings and descriptions of all thirty of the ‘groups’ who formed the basis of it, plus its calculations that predicts a willing donation of $7.5 million from within the catchment, and a willing $1-2000 donation from me personally.
As this is not a commercial facility proposal, and the research was presumably paid for by your ratepayer (me) funded DCC grant I do not consider ‘commercial sensitivity’ to be a valid reason for withholding it. I would also expect to see it tabled in full at your Coronation Hall meeting in December.
Posted by Elizabeth Kerr
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Synchronised: Highlanders-to-be (sports star training at Mosgiel)
Unaccepted for publication at ODT Online today. Aww.
Hard to sell at Logan Park
Submitted by ej kerr on Wed, 16/07/2014 – 11:49am.
What a fine accommodation for professional rugby this aquatic scheme for the Taieri truly is. Shades of the model so well utilised by the earlier trust named after Carisbrook and headed by Malcolm Farry, still operating as a boon to Dunedin city ratepayers. In the months ahead let’s see how many times the new patron leaves out the word ‘Rugby’ (capital R) or the phrase ‘private property development costs on the City’ in favour of philanthropic zeal expressed for healthy retirement living and enhanced aged care facilities (hydrotherapy for aching rugby shoulders and thighs), sunshine and splash for young families – don’t forget schools! – as the Taieri’s high class soils get carved and private forests near Brighton assist the housing build. Yeah, don’t say there’s merely a saint in goggles amongst us, Lord be praised, it’s the second Dollar coming. An epiphany.
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JimmyJones recently referred to the Horwath HTL Financial Feasibility Study, February 2007 (paragraph 2.4) saying that it shows Peter Chin and Jim Harland knew that their stadium was unaffordable, but they went ahead anyway, demonstrating their reckless decision-making:
“Preliminary consultation with the Mayor and CEO of Dunedin City Council indicated that, if funding is not an issue, they personally support the Trust’s vision for a new Stadium in Dunedin. However, they both noted that there is uncertainty, at this stage in the process, as Dunedin City Council has a significant number of projects before it and will need to review it’s (sic) priorities before committing funding for the stadium.”
You can download the report from the DCC website:
Horwath Report (PDF, 447.3 KB)
Financial feasibility and Economic Impact Assessment report for the New Carisbrook Stadium. (February 2007)
DCC has blacked out portions of the text. See below.
In the blacked out appendices of the Horwath Report it states that a leading real estate agency valued Carisbrook at $3 million.
When this was forwarded to the ODT they initially stated that there was nothing newsworthy in the document. It took much pressure to get them to publish the little they did.
A university lecturer said the blacked out portions of the report could simply be copied and pasted into a new document – the DCC had forgotten to put on the lock key. The same lecturer opined that what was happening was criminal!
Horwath HTL Restored Portions of Appendix 1 Final 17May2007
(DOC, 217 KB)
Posted by Elizabeth Kerr
### ODT Online Thu, 11 Feb 2010
Southern cycle trails selected
Three southern cycle tracks are among the 13 nationally which are a step closer to being part of a national cycleway. The Wakatipu Trail (Queenstown); Roxburgh Gorge Trail (Central Otago); Clutha Gold Trail (Otago) were selected from 54 contenders to proceed to the feasibility study stage. NZPA
Post by Elizabeth Kerr
### ODT Online Wed, 25 Nov 2009
Cable car planning encouraged by DCC
By Chris Morris
The group promoting a plan to have cable cars rolling up and down Dunedin’s High St has been encouraged to continue its work by the Dunedin City Council.
Posted by Elizabeth Kerr
This post relates to the comment I posted early this morning at https://dunedinstadium.wordpress.com/2009/06/20/nzru-goes-for-10-team-affair/#comment-3410
Owing to what appears to be a damaged file at the DCC website, here are the reports from PriceWaterhouse Coopers and Horwath HTL Ltd direct from my computer archives.
In the earlier post I said:
For those who haven’t read the most recently published peer reviews by PriceWaterhouse Coopers and Horwath HTL Ltd on Otago stadium operationals and financials, refer to the following reports:
[PWC] Report – Council – 09/02/2009 (PDF, 7.1 mb)
Proposed Stadium at Awatea Street Attachment Two Part Two
ma_r_council_AwateaStAttach2-2 PWC 30-1-09
[DCC Link] http://www.dunedin.govt.nz/__data/assets/minutes_agenda/0003/52482/ma_r_council_AwateaStAttach2-2.pdf
[HHTLL] Report – Council – 09/02/2009 (PDF, 3.1 mb)
Proposed Stadium at Awatea Street Attachment Two Part One
[DCC Link] http://www.dunedin.govt.nz/__data/assets/minutes_agenda/0019/52480/ma_r_council_AwateaStAttach2-1v2.pdf
Horwath HTL – Update of Financial Feasibility Projections, Summary Report (December 2008), pages 94-118
Report – Council – 09/02/2009 (PDF, 3.1MB)
Proposed Stadium at Awatea Street Attachment Two Part One.
PriceWaterhouseCoopers – Peer Review of the Proposed New Otago Stadium Forecasts (30 January 2009), pages 1-14
Report – Council – 09/02/2009 (PDF, 7.1MB)
Proposed Stadium at Awatea Street Attachment Two Part Two.
Older reports, peer reviews and project cost reviews at: