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NEWSFLASH —Mosgiel pool, tracking [PONT] . . . .

Taieri Community Facilities Trust project manager Shaun Pont called on councillors to allocate $750,000 to the design phase of the new facility for the next financial year.

### ODT Online Tue, 12 May 2015
Mosgiel residents make plea for pool
By Vaughan Elder
Mosgiel residents made an impassioned call for Dunedin City councillors to give a multimillion-dollar aquatic facility the “green light” sooner rather than later. In recognition of the level of interest in a $15 million four-pool aquatic facility the council held part of yesterday’s long-term plan hearings at Mosgiel’s Salvation Army Hall.
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Pool 7

Taieri Community Facilities Trust (aka Pooling Together)
http://www.poolingtogether.org.nz/

By December [2014] we will have completed a thorough feasibility study, ready for presentation to Council. The feasibility study for a new aquatic complex on the Taieri is now complete and has been lodged with Council.

Shaun Pont [arrowinternational.co.nz]There has been an amazing amount of work done in a short amount of time, and we want to acknowledge the stellar effort by Shaun Pont of the Logic Group.

http://www.poolingtogether.org.nz/the-project/

http://www.poolingtogether.org.nz/study-results/
In presenting this report, the Taieri Community Facilities Trust (Trust) is conscious of the Dunedin City Council’s twin objectives of city growth and strong fiscal management. It recognises that growth is both economic and social, and that the two are correlated. If Dunedin is to grow then it needs investment both in economic development and in facilities that enhance the city’s quality of life. A city is defined by its people. So as a city, if we are to grow and prosper then the community must stand beside Council. Only by working together can we both grow as a city and reach the Council goals for financial stewardship.

Community-based organisations are key to solving some of the most difficult neighbourhood issues. It is therefore important from the outset to understand that a swimming pool is not just about a place but about our people. Pools help to bind communities together and meet the challenges of building social inclusion within a community. They help to address the health issues within a community as we endeavour to meet national obesity and activity targets. A swimming pool is more than just somewhere to swim. It is a meeting place and heart for the community and a conduit for many activities.

The full report is available for download here: Taieri Aquatic Facility Report.pdf. The funding capability report is available here: Compton Report.

█ Other mentions at Pooling Together:

http://www.poolingtogether.org.nz/the-project/
For design we have engaged the Logic Group, who are working in partnership with award-winning architects Baker Garden and quantity surveyors Flanders Marlow.

http://www.poolingtogether.org.nz/who-we-are/
Support and Presentation Team…. Janice Pont

█ Public submissions on DCC Draft Long Term Plan (LTP):

Shaun Pont (Organisation – Logic group):
http://www.dunedin.govt.nz/your-council/draft-long-term-plan-2015-2016/public-submissions/single-view-2015?id=492518
[excerpt] 14. Unfunded Mosgiel Aquatic Facilities – Yes; 14a. – Unfunded Mosgiel Aquatic Facilities Four new pools

Janice Pont:
http://www.dunedin.govt.nz/your-council/draft-long-term-plan-2015-2016/public-submissions/single-view-2015?id=494071
[excerpt] 14. Unfunded Mosgiel Aquatic Facilities – Yes; 14a. – Unfunded Mosgiel Aquatic Facilities Four new pools

Who is the Logic Group?

http://www.logicgroup.co.nz/index.htm
We provide specialist property advice and development management leadership.

(southern office) Level 4, Forsyth Barr House, 165 Stuart Street, PO Box 5857, Dunedin 9058

█ NZ Companies Register:

Search: Shaun David PONT

LOGIC GROUP SOUTHERN LIMITED (5072961) Registered
1 of 3 directors:
Shaun PONT, 220h Kennedys Bush Rd, Kennedys Bush, Chch 8025
Samuel CADDEN, 110 Thomas St, Waikouaiti 9510
Richard WEBB, 15 The Terrace, Mount Pleasant, Chch 8081
1 of 1 shareholding:
Shaun PONT, 220h Kennedys Bush Rd, Kennedys Bush, Chch 8025

LOGIC GROUP NZ LIMITED (3993939) Registered
2 of 2 directors:
Shaun PONT, 220h Kennedys Bush Rd, Kennedys Bush, Chch 8025
Richard WEBB, 15 The Terrace, Mount Pleasant, Chch 8081
2 of 2 shareholdings:
Shaun PONT, 220h Kennedys Bush Rd, Kennedys Bush, Chch 8025
Richard WEBB, 15 The Terrace, Mount Pleasant, Chch 8081

LOGIC FM LIMITED (3933199) Registered
3 of 3 directors:
Shaun PONT, 220h Kennedys Bush Rd, Kennedys Bush, Chch 8025
Samuel CADDEN, 110 Thomas St, Waikouaiti 9510
Richard WEBB, 15 The Terrace, Mount Pleasant, Chch 8081
1 of 1 shareholdings:
Shaun PONT, 220h Kennedys Bush Rd, Kennedys Bush, Chch 8025

LOGIC COST CONSULTANCY LIMITED (5627311) Registered
3 of 3 directors:
Barry LYNCH, 32 Dormer St, Papanui, Christchurch 8053
Shaun PONT: 220h Kennedys Bush Rd, Kennedys Bush, Chch 8025
Richard WEBB, 15 The Terrace, Mount Pleasant, Chch 8081
3 of 3 shareholdings:
Shaun PONT, 220h Kennedys Bush Rd, Kennedys Bush, Chch 8025
Richard WEBB, 15 The Terrace, Mount Pleasant, Chch 8081
LOGIC GROUP NZ LIMITED, Pwc, 5 Sir Gil Simpson Dr, Chch 8053

SPX 2 CONSULTING LIMITED (2075048) Registered
1 of 1 directors:
Shaun David PONT, 220h Kennedys Bush Rd, Kennedys Bush, Chch 8025
2 of 2 shareholdings:
Shaun David PONT, 220h Kennedys Bush Rd, Kennedys Bush, Chch 8025
Sarah Peggy PONT, 220h Kennedys Bush Rd, Kennedys Bush, Chch 8025

ZERO PLUS NZ LIMITED (3993918) Registered
1 of 1 directors:
Shaun David PONT, 220h Kennedys Bush Rd, Kennedys Bush, Chch 8025
1 of 1 shareholdings:
Shaun David PONT, 220h Kennedys Bush Rd, Kennedys Bush, Chch 8025

ARROW STRATEGY LIMITED (2120916) Struck off
Former director:
Shaun David PONT, 137 Neville St, Spreydon, Christchurch 8024
Appointment Date: 21 May 2008
Ceased date: 28 Dec 2012

STILLWATER SOLUTIONS LIMITED (5685008) Registered
2 of 2 directors:
Shaun David PONT, 220h Kennedys Bush Rd, Kennedys Bush, Chch 8025
Marcus John Lee STUFKENS, 89 Gardiners Rd, Bishopdale, Chch 8051
2 of 2 shareholdings:
Shaun David PONT, 220h Kennedys Bush Rd, Kennedys Bush, Chch 8025
SIBERIAN TRUSTEES 2 LIMITED, 89 Gardiners Rd, Bishopdale, Chch 8051

Search: Janice PONT – family(?):

PONT DEVELOPMENTS LIMITED (2299866) Registered
2 of 2 directors
Janice Mary PONT, 2 Fenty Pl, Mosgiel 9024
Russell David PONT, 2 Fenty Pl, Mosgiel 9024
2 of 2 shareholdings:
Janice Mary PONT, 2 Fenty Pl, Mosgiel 9024
Russell David PONT, 2 Fenty Pl, Mosgiel 9024

Related Posts and Comments:
17.5.15 Cr Vandervis on DCC project budgets
● 4.5.15 DCC: Draft LTP matter —‘Unfunded Mosgiel Aquatic Facilities’
● 7.5.15 DCC Draft LTP 2015/16-2024/25 —public submissions online
● 12.4.15 Mosgiel pool trust calls on Dunedin ratepayers to fund distant complex
1.4.15 ‘Pooling Together’ (TCFT) loses chairman, resigns [see Wanaka pool]
28.3.15 DCC Draft LTP 2015/16 to 2024/25 —CONSULTATION OPEN
25.3.15 DCC Long Term Plan: Green-dyed chickens home to roost
11.3.15 Mosgiel pool trust PLAINLY hasn’t got ‘$7.5M community support’
● 6.3.15 Propaganda from trust for Taieri pool project #Mosgiel
● 2.3.15 DCC: Mosgiel Pool private workshop Tuesday (tomorrow) [renders]
● 20.2.15 Taieri Aquatic Centre: 2nd try for SECRET meeting —hosted by Mayor
● 13.2.15 ‘Taieri Aquatic Centre’, email from M. Stedman via B. Feather
● 10.2.15 Dunedin City Councillors invited to Secret Meeting #Mosgiel
14.1.15 DCC Draft Long Term Plan: more inanity from Cull’s crew pending
11.10.14 New Mosgiel Pool trust declared —(ready to r**t)
23.7.14 Mosgiel Pool: Taieri Times, ODT…. mmm #mates
16.7.14 Stadium: Exploiting CST model for new Mosgiel Pool #GOBs
● 4.2.14 DCC: Mosgiel Pool, closed-door parallels with stadium project…
30.1.14 DCC broke → More PPPs to line private pockets and stuff ratepayers
20.1.14 DCC Draft Annual Plan 2014/15 [see this comment & ff]
16.11.13 Community board (Mosgiel-Taieri) clandestine meetings
25.1.12 Waipori Fund – inane thinkings from a councillor
19.5.10 DScene – Public libraries, Hillside Workshops, stadium, pools
12.4.10 High-performance training pool at stadium?

Posted by Elizabeth Kerr

*Images: arrowinternationalco.nz – Shaun Pont; scanned pool render by Baker Garden Architects – presented in TCFT project report during pre-draft DCC LTP meetings January 2015. [public domain]

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DCC: Draft LTP matter —‘Unfunded Mosgiel Aquatic Facilities’

Updated post Mon, 4 May 2015 at 5:39 p.m.

█ This afternoon an anonymous caller told What if? Dunedin that people asked to speak at the Pool meeting (initially scheduled for a different time and venue), and who were unable to attend then, have not been emailed with the new meeting information below. They haven’t been asked to re-visit their options…. DCC/Mayor Cull should clear up whether they will be re-invited to speak.

On the strength of public submissions received, the DCC will hold a meeting at Mosgiel that prevents many Dunedin ratepayers and residents from attending.

This is how DEMOCRACY works, DCC-style at Dunedin.

The email below was sent to those who are registered submitters ONLY on the city council’s Draft Long Term Plan (draft LTP) item, ‘Unfunded Mosgiel Aquatic Facilities’. A second email from DCC explained that the first had been sent to me in error.

Elizabeth Kerr, exercising some independence, specifically did not submit on the POOL RORT that is being perpetuated against the Ratepayers and Residents of Dunedin and which multimillion-dollar project appears to be supported by Mayor Liability Cull as a political ticket for himself.

Received from Dunedin City Council
[sent to Elizabeth Kerr, in error]

From: Lynne Robins [DCC]
Sent: ‎Monday‎, ‎4‎ ‎May‎ ‎2015 ‎2‎:‎36‎ ‎p.m.
To: No recipients
Subject: Dunedin City Council Long Term Plan

Thank you for your submission to the Dunedin City Council Long Term Plan 2015/16 – 2024/25 on the Unfunded Mosgiel Aquatic Facilities section.

In your submission you indicated that you wished to speak to the topic.

Due to the number of submissions received on the proposed Aquatic Facility, it has been decided to set aside a session for Councillors to hear the submissions on this subject only.

The meeting will be held on

Monday 11 May 2015
4.00 pm – 6.00 or 7.00 pm (depending on the number of submissions to be heard)
Salvation Army Hall, 4 Lanark Street, Mosgiel.

The meeting will be opened with representatives from the Taieri Community Facilities Trust presenting their submission first.
This will be followed by other submitters speaking to their submissions on the proposed Aquatic Centre.

If you are unable to attend the meeting and wish to be heard at another time please contact either Wendy Collard, Jo Tiszavari
or myself on 477-4000 or by replying to this email and we will schedule you with another speaking time.

Please note that if you have submitted on many items, we will send you a separate speaking time to speak to the other items on your submission.

Kind Regards

Lynne
Governance Support Officer
Dunedin City Council

Comment received from Jacob
Submitted on 2015/05/04 at 12:08 pm | In reply to Mick.

Calvin. When you place your bets on the pool, make sure you only back for a place. After reading the ODT article on submissions, it would appear that the trust has been as deceitful as ever.
Remember they claimed that they had over 2000 supporters to their online survey.
Well when the push comes to shove, it would appear that only 1030 have made submissions to the LTP, and that includes those apposed to the pool.
What has happened to the other 1000+ that they claimed to have the support for the pool. Just like the $7.5 million they claim that the Mosgiel community are supposed to be fronting up with. In both cases, the pool support and the community money they claim, does not stack up. Because they are unable to back up their claims. Just cheap talk and deceitful, a copy of the stadium debacle all over again.

[ends]

Related Posts and Comments:
● 12.4.15 Mosgiel pool trust calls on Dunedin ratepayers to fund distant complex
● 1.4.15 ‘Pooling Together’ (TCFT) loses chairman, resigns [see Wanaka pool]
28.3.15 DCC: Draft LTP 2015/16 to 2024/25 —CONSULTATION OPEN
● 11.3.15 Mosgiel pool trust PLAINLY hasn’t got ‘$7.5M community support’
● 6.3.15 Propaganda from trust for Taieri pool project #Mosgiel
● 2.3.15 DCC: Mosgiel Pool private workshop Tuesday (tomorrow) [renders]
● 20.2.15 Taieri Aquatic Centre: 2nd try for SECRET meeting —hosted by Mayor
● 13.2.15 ‘Taieri Aquatic Centre’, email from M. Stedman via B. Feather
● 10.2.15 Dunedin City Councillors invited to Secret Meeting #Mosgiel
11.10.14 New Mosgiel Pool trust declared —(ready to r**t)
23.7.14 Mosgiel Pool: Taieri Times, ODT…. mmm #mates
16.7.14 Stadium: Exploiting CST model for new Mosgiel Pool #GOBs
● 4.2.14 DCC: Mosgiel Pool, closed-door parallels with stadium project…
30.1.14 DCC broke → More PPPs to line private pockets and stuff ratepayers
20.1.14 DCC Draft Annual Plan 2014/15 [see this comment & ff]
16.11.13 Community board (Mosgiel-Taieri) clandestine meetings
25.1.12 Waipori Fund – inane thinkings from a councillor
19.5.10 DScene – Public libraries, Hillside Workshops, stadium, pools
12.4.10 High-performance training pool at stadium?

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Mosgiel pool trust calls on Dunedin ratepayers to fund distant complex

PROPOSAL — TAIERI AQUATIC COMPLEX, AND GYMNASIUM
Cr Mike Lord supports added gymnasium (not costed)

NOT ENOUGH MONEY OR PEOPLE IN MOSGIEL CATCHMENT TO HOLD UP PROPOSAL INITIATED BY HOUSING DEVELOPERS, HIGHER PERFORMANCE SPORT/RUGBY AND MOSGIEL BUSINESS

NOW CALL GOES OUT TO DUNEDIN RATEPAYERS….

TCFT Pooling Together advert ODT 11.4.15 p30 bwODT 11.4.15 (page 30) —TCFT advert, bidding on DCC LTP

Dunedin City Council estimates the pool will cost $18.2 million, with an ongoing yearly shortfall of $2.3 million to run a four-pool complex.

### ODT Online Sun, 12 Apr 2015
Call to support new pool
By Timothy Brown
The Taieri Communities Facilities Trust hopes the wider Dunedin community will support its push for a new aquatics centre in Mosgiel. The trust hopes Dunedin residents will join with the Taieri and make submissions in favour of the $15 million pool during consultation on the Dunedin City Council’s draft long-term plan. The project is included for consultation as an unfunded item.
Read more

Related Posts and Comments:
1.4.15 ‘Pooling Together’ (TCFT) loses chairman, resigns [see Wanaka pool]
20.3.15 DESTROYED, beautification project —Railway corridor, Gladstone Road
11.3.15 Mosgiel pool trust PLAINLY hasn’t got ‘$7.5M community support’
● 6.3.15 Propaganda from trust for Taieri pool project #Mosgiel
● 2.3.15 DCC: Mosgiel Pool private workshop Tuesday (tomorrow) [renders]
● 20.2.15 Taieri Aquatic Centre: 2nd try for SECRET meeting —hosted by Mayor
● 13.2.15 ‘Taieri Aquatic Centre’, email from M. Stedman via B. Feather
● 10.2.15 Dunedin City Councillors invited to Secret Meeting #Mosgiel
11.10.14 New Mosgiel Pool trust declared —(ready to r**t)
23.7.14 Mosgiel Pool: Taieri Times, ODT…. mmm #mates
16.7.14 Stadium: Exploiting CST model for new Mosgiel Pool #GOBs
● 4.2.14 DCC: Mosgiel Pool, closed-door parallels with stadium project…
30.1.14 DCC broke → More PPPs to line private pockets and stuff ratepayers
20.1.14 DCC Draft Annual Plan 2014/15 [see this comment & ff]
16.11.13 Community board (Mosgiel-Taieri) clandestine meetings
25.1.12 Waipori Fund – inane thinkings from a councillor
19.5.10 DScene – Public libraries, Hillside Workshops, stadium, pools
12.4.10 High-performance training pool at stadium?

Posted by Elizabeth Kerr

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‘Pooling Together’ (TCFT) loses chairman, resigns

Pool 7Proposed pool complex at Memorial Park, Mosgiel —now, Cr Mike Lord wants to add a gymnasium. Image: Baker Garden Architects

Received from Maurice Prendergast
Wed, 1 Apr 2015 at 3:15 p.m.

█ Message: Letter below was sent to ODT editor some weeks ago. I have received by way of response an absolutely stony silence.

PS: Have just heard that Michael Stedman has resigned [from the Taieri Community Facilities Trust]. It seems that by coincidence, Russell Sim in speaking to Stedman yesterday was told that Stedman had had a letter ‘from Prendergast’ referred to him by ODT for his comment. I understand that he added, “I can’t reply.” E&OE

{See this comment from earlier today. -Eds}

From: Maurice Prendergast
Sent: Friday, 13 March 2015 12:19 p.m.
To: ‘editor@odt.co.nz’
Subject: Proposed Pool/funding

Editor ODT
Dunedin

Sir

I was stunned when reading the letters to the editor recently to see a caption which read ‘Questions about Pool asked and answered’.

An incisive clutch of questions follow from a Mr R Sim, but Mr Stedman (chairman of the Pool Trust) in deference to that part of the inferred head line ‘Questions answered” answered none of Mr Sim’s questions. This is the more disappointing by the fact that Mr Sim, rather than asking ‘sprawling questions’, asked clearly focused questions (presumably) to make it simple for Mr Stedman to answer.

In deference to answering these clearly structured questions, Mr Stedman embarked on a rambling attack on the man who had asked the questions, and answered none of his questions. Instead, he offered a clutch of inane statements; the most inane of which was this continuing absurdity that the Taieri Community will contribute a sum of $7.5M upfront to this fanciful project. Mr Stedman and his Trust have offered nothing to support this absurd claim. At a personal level, I am amongst those who would love a new pool; in the same way that I would love to own a Lamborghini. The reality is that I cannot afford a Lamborghini in the same way that I can’t afford the impact that a further debt ‘funded’ project will have on my rates bill.

Sincerely

Maurice Prendergast
Wingatui

Related Posts and Comments:
11.3.15 Mosgiel pool trust PLAINLY hasn’t got ‘$7.5M community support’
6.3.15 Propaganda from trust for Taieri pool project #Mosgiel
● 2.3.15 DCC: Mosgiel Pool private workshop Tuesday (tomorrow) [renders]
● 20.2.15 Taieri Aquatic Centre: 2nd try for SECRET meeting —hosted by Mayor
● 13.2.15 ‘Taieri Aquatic Centre’, email from M. Stedman via B. Feather
● 10.2.15 Dunedin City Councillors invited to Secret Meeting #Mosgiel
11.10.14 New Mosgiel Pool trust declared —(ready to r**t)
23.7.14 Mosgiel Pool: Taieri Times, ODT…. mmm #mates
16.7.14 Stadium: Exploiting CST model for new Mosgiel Pool #GOBs
● 4.2.14 DCC: Mosgiel Pool, closed-door parallels with stadium project…
30.1.14 DCC broke → More PPPs to line private pockets and stuff ratepayers
20.1.14 DCC Draft Annual Plan 2014/15 [see this comment & ff]
16.11.13 Community board (Mosgiel-Taieri) clandestine meetings
25.1.12 Waipori Fund – inane thinkings from a councillor
19.5.10 DScene – Public libraries, Hillside Workshops, stadium, pools
12.4.10 High-performance training pool at stadium?

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Snaky Stedman —not answering basic questions Dunedin ratepayers must ask

R. J. Sim of Mosgiel is asking the RIGHT QUESTIONS

Note the acute resemblance Mr Stedman has to Malcolm Farry when trying to sell the Stadium project. When backed into a corner on spurious claims, turns nasty and defensive. Boardroom games and hissy fits. Can’t wait until “Pool Guy” trots out the Hi-Vis vest, little black pants and a white hard hat, just like Malc! Assuming DCC and the GOBs duckshove the project through.

ODT 12.3.15 (page 14)ODT 12.3.15 Letter to the editor R. J. Sim (page 14) 1

██ Two of the speeches made at the Stop The Stadium public meeting, Dunedin Town Hall, on 29 March 2009:
Michael Stedman
Dave Cull

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● 11.3.15 Mosgiel pool trust PLAINLY hasn’t got ‘$7.5M community support’
● 6.3.15 Propaganda from trust for Taieri pool project #Mosgiel
● 2.3.15 DCC: Mosgiel Pool private workshop Tuesday (tomorrow) [renders]
● 20.2.15 Taieri Aquatic Centre: 2nd try for SECRET meeting —hosted by Mayor
● 13.2.15 ‘Taieri Aquatic Centre’, email from M. Stedman via B. Feather
● 10.2.15 Dunedin City Councillors invited to Secret Meeting #Mosgiel
11.10.14 New Mosgiel Pool trust declared —(ready to r**t)
23.7.14 Mosgiel Pool: Taieri Times, ODT…. mmm #mates
16.7.14 Stadium: Exploiting CST model for new Mosgiel Pool #GOBs
● 4.2.14 DCC: Mosgiel Pool, closed-door parallels with stadium project…
30.1.14 DCC broke → More PPPs to line private pockets and stuff ratepayers
20.1.14 DCC Draft Annual Plan 2014/15 [see this comment & ff]
16.11.13 Community board (Mosgiel-Taieri) clandestine meetings
25.1.12 Waipori Fund – inane thinkings from a councillor
19.5.10 DScene – Public libraries, Hillside Workshops, stadium, pools
12.4.10 High-performance training pool at stadium?

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Mosgiel pool trust PLAINLY hasn’t got ‘$7.5M community support’

Received from Rob Hamlin
Wed, 11 Mar 2015 at 10:56 a.m.

Another gem from the ODT today on the Mosgiel Pool repeating the ‘community is willing to pay $7.5 million’ mantra:

Community urged to push for Mosgiel poolhttp://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/335835/community-urged-push-mosgiel-pool

I posted the following comment:

Michael Stedman 2 [cicc.tv]Mr Stedman says:

“The issue of funding is significant … although the community is willing to put in $7.5 million, or 50%, it certainly doesn’t mean it is close to being a done deal…”

As I have said previously there is no reliable public evidence that this ‘community’ is prepared to put in this money. The Pool Trust’s previously secret, but publicly funded, research report relies upon a small group of wealthy people to contribute nearly all of this money, with less than 100 individuals contributing the lion’s share, and one unnamed individual expected to donate $1.5 million.

In fact, the wider ‘community’ cum catchment in question has yet to be properly defined, which is a necessary precursor to reliable research based upon systematic sampling to gauge their opinions and specific intention to donate to and use this facility. Until this is done, any statement that the “community is willing to donate $7.5 million” is conjecture.

I have noted this lack of support on numerous occasions, and I am very concerned that the Otago Daily Times continues to repeatedly print this very specific sounding but currently unsupported assertion unqualified and unchallenged – pretty much as a statement of fact.

There is a well-known adage that if you repeat something often enough and loudly enough then it will become the truth, regardless of its actual veracity. This is unfortunately an observable phenomenon as far as public perception is concerned, but reality can only be repelled for so long before it rudely intrudes upon such pleasant reveries.

The assertion that this undefined ‘community’ is prepared to pay $7.5 million for a pool facility, when reinforced by the Otago Daily Times’ repeated publication of it, may lead to a ‘deal being done’ on the basis of a misconception created in the minds of our councillors and the community – whoever that community may actually be.

Reality, if it is different from the assertion, may only intrude after such a deal is done – which would be unfortunate if the Council gets itself and its ratepayers hooked on some commitment to pay into this proposal before this reality-intrusion occurs.

This damage would only be increased by any commitment by the Council to underwrite ‘the Community’s’ own fundraising for $7.5 million without further research to establish the community’s (either the wider Mosgiel or narrower rich groups’ intentions to donate this amount).

Underwriting fundraising is actually impossible, as the very act of underwriting a specific fundraising figure means that those funds have then been raised, and everybody involved in such fundraising, both donors and fundraisers, can put their feet up and wait for the underwriter to cough up the full underwritten amount. Councils have been caught this way before.

I am too much of a realist to believe that any further research on the extent of the Mosgiel community’s FISCAL support for this project will be done before a ‘deal is done’. Recent statements by the Mayor to the effect that something is going to happen in the next five years are inconsistent with the Mosgiel Pool remaining as an unfunded item in the long-term (10 year) plan, and that suggests that a funding ‘deal’ of some sort is imminent.

Given that a deal may well be happening quite soon, and that further research seems unlikely, the Council can actually control the risks to the ratepayers of any such deal, by insisting on certain specific conditions as part of it. Here they are:

1) The Council will make no commitment to fund construction until a design for the pool is finalised, reliable estimates for construction are in place, and (ABOVE ALL) a site for the pool has been agreed upon, secured, all necessary zonings are in place and consents have been issued.

2) The Council will not commit funds unless the total identified and unfunded costs of the project at the point of commitment are $15 million or less.

3) Absolutely no variations to the agreed pool plan/site will be allowed once funds are committed.

4) The Council will agree to pay in $7.5 million subject to the above conditions, but absolutely no money will be paid, and no legally binding commitment of the above nature will be made by the Council until the Pool Trust can deliver legally binding third-party funding commitments of the correct specification that total more than $7.5 million.

5) The Pool Trust must acquire legally binding commitments (pledges) to pay, subject to the proviso that these commitments (pledges) only become binding once:

a) The total raised by the Pool Trust exceeds $7.5 million on or before a date that is common to all such commitments (pledges).

b) Conditions 1-3 above are met by the Pool Trust and the Council commits to pay its $7.5 million on a (later) date that is common to all pledges.

So how will this work? Well let’s say that the Pool Trust’s pledge contracts name a date of 31 December 2016. If the Pool Trust’s pledged sum at 4.55pm on that day stands at $7,499,995, then at the stroke of 5.00pm, the private pledges and Council commitment all become void, and the deals with both donors and Council have to be renegotiated – Hard, but fair.

However, if at 4.59pm Mrs Buggins pledges an additional ten bucks, then the sum at the stroke of 5.00pm will stand at $7,500,005. Mrs Buggins, all the other pledgers and the Council are at that moment committed, subject to the Pool Trust meeting conditions 1-3 defined by Council by the second date (say 31 December 2017).

If conditions 1-3 have not already been met and acknowledged by the Council then everybody is fully committed at this point, and the fully funded proposal can then proceed. If conditions 1-3 are not met at this point, and the project subsequently relocates, falls over or blows out in some other way, then once again all potential donors are off the hook if the Council does not finally commit before 5.00pm on 31 December 2017.

I consider these conditions to be reasonable, and for the Council not to insist upon them as a requirement for funding, with or without further research, would in my opinion be an act of recklessness.

These conditions should also be perfectly acceptable for the Pool Trust. If they are truly confident that the ‘Mosgiel Community’ will give them $7.5 million, and they can build this facility where they say they are going to for $15 million, then they should be equally confident of meeting these Council funding conditions without difficulty, and of then proceeding with the construction of this facility as planned.

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Related Posts and Comments:
● 6.3.15 Propaganda from trust for Taieri pool project #Mosgiel
● 2.3.15 DCC: Mosgiel Pool private workshop Tuesday (tomorrow) [renders]
● 20.2.15 Taieri Aquatic Centre: 2nd try for SECRET meeting —hosted by Mayor
● 13.2.15 ‘Taieri Aquatic Centre’, email from M. Stedman via B. Feather
● 10.2.15 Dunedin City Councillors invited to Secret Meeting #Mosgiel
11.10.14 New Mosgiel Pool trust declared —(ready to r**t)
23.7.14 Mosgiel Pool: Taieri Times, ODT…. mmm #mates
16.7.14 Stadium: Exploiting CST model for new Mosgiel Pool #GOBs
● 4.2.14 DCC: Mosgiel Pool, closed-door parallels with stadium project…
30.1.14 DCC broke → More PPPs to line private pockets and stuff ratepayers
20.1.14 DCC Draft Annual Plan 2014/15 [see this comment & ff]
16.11.13 Community board (Mosgiel-Taieri) clandestine meetings
25.1.12 Waipori Fund – inane thinkings from a councillor
19.5.10 DScene – Public libraries, Hillside Workshops, stadium, pools
12.4.10 High-performance training pool at stadium?

Posted by Elizabeth Kerr

*Image: cicc.tv – Michael Stedman, chair of the Taieri Community Facilities Trust (“the Mosgiel pool trust”), tweaked by whatifdunedin

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Propaganda from trust for Taieri pool project #Mosgiel

Updated post Sat, 7 Mar 2015 at 1:54 p.m.

██ RE: Market research and commercial feasibility
Dr Rob Hamlin, in a comment published early this morning at ODT Online and at What if? Dunedin, has offered his services to DCC, to conduct a referendum for the “entire Mosgiel community” to help determine the commercial feasibility (affordability) of the proposed Taieri Aquatic Centre.

Men who swim [kpbs.org] 1Men who swim [kpbs.org] —professional rugby boys growing into role?!

MODEL ADOPTED BY TAIERI COMMUNITY FACILITIES TRUST (TCFT):
STADIUM 2 (CSCT)*

From DCC information available, the proposed pool complex will cost a lot more than the $15M that trust chairman Michael Stedman cites. Council staff have produced comparative figures showing the pool trust has VASTLY underestimated costs including operationals.

For every one million dollars expended there is a consequential 1% rise in rates. This in a city plagued by rate increases running ahead of inflation (presently at 1%).

The Mayor of Dunedin has no particular mandate to speak on Council’s (unknown) position in regards to the pool proposal at this time, given there are insufficient facts to base decisions on. The Mayor has stated on local television that a new swimming pool complex at Mosgiel is likely to be developed within the next five years.

The Mosgiel-Taieri and Dunedin Communities have NOT been canvassed with the full financial impacts known. Rebel-rousing with interest groups and an online survey that most people don’t know about is NOT full community consultation.

Proposed Location: Memorial Park, Mosgiel. Is this the best location for the city’s resident southern population (demographics) requiring pool services? Don’t think so.

There is NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER that the Community can foot $7.5M towards the unknown capital cost of the pool build.

*Carisbrook Stadium Charitable Trust, still active – headed by Malcolm Farry

“The issue of funding is significant . . . although the community is willing to put in $7.5 million, or 50%, it certainly doesn’t mean it is close to being a done deal.” –Stedman, TCFT

### ODT Online Fri, 6 Mar 2015
Residents urged to continue push for Mosgiel pool
By Shawn McAvinue
Taieri residents need to continue making their voices heard if they want a $15 million pool facility in Mosgiel to proceed, Taieri Communities Facilities Trust chairman Michael Stedman says. […] Mr Stedman received more than 100 letters of support from sports groups and organisations and was “blown away” by about 2500 people completing an online survey on the pool.”
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Related Posts and Comments:
● 2.3.15 DCC: Mosgiel Pool private workshop Tuesday (tomorrow) [renders]
● 20.2.15 Taieri Aquatic Centre: 2nd try for SECRET meeting —hosted by Mayor
● 13.2.15 ‘Taieri Aquatic Centre’, email from M. Stedman via B. Feather
● 10.2.15 Dunedin City Councillors invited to Secret Meeting #Mosgiel
11.10.14 New Mosgiel Pool trust declared —(ready to r**t)
23.7.14 Mosgiel Pool: Taieri Times, ODT…. mmm #mates
16.7.14 Stadium: Exploiting CST model for new Mosgiel Pool #GOBs
● 4.2.14 DCC: Mosgiel Pool, closed-door parallels with stadium project…
30.1.14 DCC broke → More PPPs to line private pockets and stuff ratepayers
20.1.14 DCC Draft Annual Plan 2014/15 [see this comment & ff]
16.11.13 Community board (Mosgiel-Taieri) clandestine meetings
25.1.12 Waipori Fund – inane thinkings from a councillor
19.5.10 DScene – Public libraries, Hillside Workshops, stadium, pools
12.4.10 High-performance training pool at stadium?

Posted by Elizabeth Kerr

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