#OldHat Dunedin bus system hard to use and unaffordable

Lynley Hood is a positive advocate for her area, no doubt – but hopefully she can think more widely than Corstorphine, to the provision of fair and equitable public transport for The Many, wherever they live in Dunedin, who struggle to pay standard fares or top up the ‘dumb’ Go Card —or who have no bus service to their streets at decent intervals with timely transfer options for necessary travel destinations [the currently ‘immovable’ ORC system].

Or thank god, there’s hail apps.

[Is Otago Regional Council up with the technology about to change public transport @ New Zealand —thereby cancelling any profit from the ill-thought diesel-breathing bus hub planned for Great King St in Central Dunedin.]

Black car service [uberinternal.com]

When a new flexible bus ticketing system is introduced early next year in Dunedin and the Queenstown area, consideration would be given to introducing a lower $5 top-up for Go Cards for online payments. –ORC

### ODT Online Tue, 6 Jun 2017
Bus discounts asked of ORC
By John Gibb
Kew resident Lynley Hood is urging the Otago Regional Council to introduce a community services card bus discount to help “transport disadvantaged” people in Dunedin. “Public transport is important for all sorts of reasons, certainly for inclusiveness and giving everybody a chance,” Dr Hood said. If you’re going to proceed with education and get a job, you’ve got to have transport. It’s got to be attractive to everybody, so it works for the people who need it.” She often saw bus users checking their small change to see if they could afford to use the bus, and clearly not everyone could. She has been suggesting this extension of the bus discount system, and other improvements in the Corstorphine bus service, for several years, and made a detailed submission to the council in 2014. More Corstorphine residents would be encouraged to switch to Go Cards by providing the suggested discount for community services card holders, and cutting the minimum Go Card top-up payment from $10 to $5, she said.
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Radiohead Published on Jun 2, 2017
Radiohead – I Promise
I Promise is one of 3 previously unreleased tracks from the album OK Computer OKNOTOK 1997 – 2017.


“Transportation companies compete for customers, and ultimately it is the consumer who makes the choice.” –Chicago’s Department of Business Affairs and Consumer Protection

“Were the old deemed to have a constitutional right to preclude the entry of the new into the markets of the old, economic progress might grind to a halt,” Judge Richard Posner wrote in the 7th Circuit decision. “Instead of taxis we might have horse and buggies; instead of the telephone, the telegraph; instead of computers, slide rules.”

### usatoday.com 4:47 p.m. ET 5 Jun 2017 | Updated
Chicago cabbies say industry is teetering toward collapse
By Aamer Madhani
CHICAGO — Operators of the nation’s second-biggest taxi fleet are now accelerating toward their long-rumoured extinction, edging towards becoming virtual dinosaurs in the era of ride-sharing monsters Uber and Lyft. Cabbies have long grumbled that the sky is falling as they lose ground to ride-sharing companies. Now, cabbies in Chicago are pointing to new data that suggests the decline could be speeding up. About 42% of Chicago’s taxi fleet was not operating in the month of March, and cabbies have seen their revenue slide for their long-beleaguered industry by nearly 40% over the last three years as riders are increasingly ditching cabs for ride-hailing apps Uber, Lyft and Via, according to a study released Monday by the Chicago cab drivers union. More than 2,900 of Chicago’s nearly 7,000 licensed taxis were inactive in March 2017 — meaning they had not picked up a fare in a month, according to the Cab Drivers United/AFSCME Local 2500 report. The average monthly income per active medallion — the permit that gives cabbies the exclusive right to pick up passengers who hail them on the street — has dipped from $5,276 in January 2014 to $3,206 this year. The number of riders in Chicago hailing cabs has also plummeted during that same period from 2.3 million monthly riders to about 1.1 million. Declining ridership for Chicago’s taxi industry comes as foreclosures are piling up for taxi medallion owners who aren’t generating enough fares to keep up with their loan payments and meet their expenses.
….Chicago cabbies aren’t alone in feeling the pinch. In New York, ridership in the city’s iconic yellow cabs has fallen about 30% over the last three years. Last year, San Francisco’s Yellow Cab — the city’s largest taxi company — filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection. Los Angeles taxi ridership fell 43%, and revenue was down 24%, between 2013 and 2016.
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Medallion Report (FINAL)

[watch video] Fox 32 : Chicago taxi drivers: Industry is teetering toward collapse
Posted: Jun 05 2017 09:50PM CDT | Updated

New York, the new normal….

Motherboard Published on May 27, 2016
Is Uber Killing the Yellow Taxi in New York City?
As Uber’s stranglehold over the taxi industry increases, some New York yellow cab dispatchers have found themselves in an unprecedented predicament: sitting on millions of dollars worth of medallion yellow cabs, but not enough drivers to drive them.

█ Wikipedia: Taxicab regulation

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10 responses to “#OldHat Dunedin bus system hard to use and unaffordable

  1. Elizabeth

    black cars used to mean cops, gangs, a funeral cortège, or now, the ‘re-inventing’ black cab service (local)…….somewhere cold like Dunedin, this time of year, we might have to walk from the hill above South Dunedin or Pine Hill to Dunedin Hospital, carrying the baby, no electricity, no money, poor shoes

    Fueled By Ramen Published on Mar 16, 2015
    twenty one pilots: Fairly Local [OFFICIAL VIDEO]
    Album: Blurryface.

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    It’s the few, the proud, and the emotional
    Yo, you, bulletproof in black like a funeral
    The world around us is burning but we’re so cold
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    I’m fairly local, good people now

  2. Elizabeth

    At Facebook:

  3. Otago Regional Council is in the process of taking a ‘whole of network’ approach to its bus public transport, as opposed to a confusing and confused conglomeration of routes as before. IMO the overall approach is a much needed and long-awaited improvement. But the details of some individual routes are causing problems for some users. I think this is inevitable, as devising an optimal bus network is an EXTREMELY hard problem (even for computers!). There is every reason to hope that the ORC will be responsive to user feedback over time.
    However, any significant change to what is in their Public Transport Plan requires public consultation and so is a fairly slow process. ORC are considerably constrained about what they can decide by central government rules and regulations. For example, they can certainly not make fares cheaper in one area compared to other areas.

  4. Elizabeth

    The media have well explained the difference in price between what Queenstown people have on offer – compare that to Dunedin from a user point of view.

    I’m certainly no apologist for ORC’s appalling treatment of bus users severely disadvantaged by planner ningnongs, for ridiculous periods of time having had their bus services ripped away without consultation. It’s a travesty and a disgusting indictment on ORC.

    The proposed bus hub is the worst possible solution.

    At Twitter:

    • Diane Yeldon

      Good comment. Information added in italics. -Eds
      Go to DCC webpage for all information pertaining to proposed Notice of Requirement (NOR):


      About the proposed ‘bus hub’ : DCC is currently publicly notifying a ‘requirement for designation’ from the ORC for the bus hub.

      What’s that ? No, I didn’t know either and had to ask a DCC planner. The way I now understand it is that this is (sort of) both a land use change and a resource consent all rolled into one. Used when any public authority wants to build something publicly useful eg a school. And this process is not merely a formality but depends on precisely and specifically what the ‘public authority (in this case, the ORC) is proposing to do in the specified area. And this covers overall design, buildings, any other structures, traffic consideration, everything you would expect to see in a resource consent application. The application documentation for the ORC’s bus hub proposal is substantial. (There’s a public inspection copy on the 3rd floor of the DCC city library.)

      It’s not unheard of for cities to build expensive public transport facilities only to find out that they don’t work or are just plain dangerous and then have to spend a lot more money undoing the mess. The proposed hub is going to cost about $3 million. To help ensure this money is wisely spent in Dunedin I hope interested Dunedin residents, especially those with design experience or ideas about traffic management, will make a submission to the DCC on this application. I think there’s reason to be concerned. Looks to me as if the ORC has looked at one thing and one thing only – can they park enough buses on Great King St at the same time – all in the hope of implementing the central city transfer aspect of their new public transport plan.

      But do they really need to have so many buses parked there at the same time? Maybe not. Maybe the dedicated street length could be half what is proposed if bus drivers waited elsewhere to arrive closer to departure time. Buses are pretty long and I doubt whether walking the length of four buses to find your transfer before it departs without you is going to be that easy.

      I think there are real traffic safety issues for all road users, with the bus parking bays (because that is really what this supposed ‘hub’ is about) and the closer the bays get to the intersection of Great King St and Moray Place (the Community House corner), the more serious those safety issues become.

      There are really promising alternatives to the ORC’s current proposal. I’m impressed with the integrated (multi-modal) transit malls which some cities now have, more of a distributed, than centralised system which gives a higher value to ‘connectivity’ rather than (as present with the ORC’s plan) ‘directness’. ‘Connectivity’ means users being able to get from where they are to where they want to go. I haven’t been able to pin down the ORC about what they mean by ‘directness’ but I think they intend fast suburb to city centre trips, which is a pretty passé idea. (Which is why I don’t like the terms ‘hub’ and ‘radial’ in public transport discussions, as they beg the question about optimum network configuration.)

      If reduced in size and limited to the safer north end of the Great King St block, I think the present ORC proposal could function as a stepping-stone to such a multipurpose and more flexible transport facility, rather than being limited solely to the present needs of buses. I think integrated transit malls have a promising future and can be designed to be flexible and resilient, as transport technology, user demand and behaviour all change.
      Submissions close 18th August.

      (Note: A bit confusing that this is a submission to the DCC regarding their District Plan. The ORC is the applicant.)

  5. Elizabeth

    At Facebook: [read the public comments to the FB post – image removed by ODT – go to the ODT article to view]

    The Notice of Requirement (NoR) better be notified by DCC – the public, road users, and affected businesses must be able to have their say. The views of local businesses have been ignored to date by ORC, it seems. We all need to support our economy and plan for changes in transportation technology.

    Skip the bus hub, go for Hail Apps.

    Urban design and transportation planning staff probably love the coloured road markings but it is pathetic in so many amateur and deplorable ways.

    • Diane Yeldon

      What really bothers me about this process is that the ORC has employed a consultant, BECCA, from memory, to do all their documentation and certainly at considerable expense. Now there will have been a brief from the ORC to that consulting firm and it will have gone more or less like this: “We want to build a bus hub of this design in this location. Make the best possible case to the DCC that this complies with their District Plan and is an overall good and workable idea.” The consultant always complies with the brief, NOT the public interest. And not even necessarily with common sense. Got to please the customer to stay in business.
      Where are there any checks and balances in this process? If the DCC could be relied on to vigorously advocate for its own District Plan, that might be one. But such advocacy would take time and effort on the part of the DCC and why would they bother when they know the ORC can override their recommendations? Members of the public, the few who have the time or the interest, are unlikely to be able to make much of a credible case opposing a firm of professionals. Any ‘requiring authority’ is going to focus solely on its own interests. Silo mentality. So it looks as if this process will inevitably result in no-one being able to advocate effectively for the public interest.
      A bit like ‘fast-tracking’ and not be allowed to ‘block progress’. In other words, the government saying that robust planning provisions are for everyone except for them or their agencies.
      Taking the above into account, if the resulting bus ‘hub’ (bus parking facility!) turns out to be a turkey, I won’t be the least bit surprised. The location choice reminds me of the joke about the drunk looking under the lamp post for lost keys. But he says that he actually lost them further down the street. So why is he looking under the lamp-post. Well, it’s a more convenient place to look because there’s more light there. Similarly, the only point I can see in favour of the Great King St site is that these multiple bus parking bays will fit in there.

      • Elizabeth

        Nope. Disagree on your reading of the NOR planning process.
        Becca are sharks who float through NZ schools of LTAs at great cost to ratepayers, however, is true.

        All public submissions received by DCC are VALUABLE.

  6. Elizabeth

    Think about the bus turns in and out of Great King St……
    Why only last week I checked out the existing damage to the Cargill’s Corner shop verandah, oh dear.

    At Facebook:

  7. Diane Yeldon

    Consultation on the location of the Dunedin bus hub was not well done IMO. People got: “Great King St – yes or no?” and that was it. And then we got Great King St. Hard to believe that any further consultation is going to be anything but cynical. It might result in minor tweaking but the hub is going in Great King St, that’s for sure!
    I think turning buses are going to be an issue. That’s why I would have preferred investigation of a site along Princes St. However, the present hub may not have a very long lifetime. So may be a good enough stepping stone to a good integrated bus network. User behaviour will make a difference. It may change considerably if the hub makes convenient transfers feasible as intended.
    In the meantime, there’s a concern that there may be no buses stopping close to the Octagon. Dunedin Bus Users Group has a petition on about this at the moment. Copies for people to sign at the DCC city library.

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