Good Old Boy pushes waterfront stadium for Auckland *yawn

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### NZ Herald 5:00 AM Sunday Apr 30, 2017
Stunning stadium pitched for Auckland, sunken into waterfront
By Simon Plumb
Jaw-dropping concepts for an iconic new national stadium have been pitched to Auckland Council, proposing a state-of-the-art arena be submerged into the city’s waterfront. A portfolio of spectacular designs can be revealed from documents delivered to the office of Auckland Mayor Phil Goff last month. The Herald on Sunday has obtained them through the Local Government Official Information and Meeting Act [LGOIMA]. Dubbed The Crater, the idea centres on a subterranean multi-events venue, inverting conventional design by building below ground rather than above. Created by Auckland design and marketing figure Phil O’Reilly, three potentials factor in a core concept of a sunken bowl-type arena, as well as renderings of a roofed version. A third concept incorporates new cruise ship terminals that would flank the facility, although O’Reilly said the general idea could also work inland if the waterfront was dumped as a location. […] O’Reilly said as far as he is aware, the submerged venue would be the first of its kind anywhere in the world and was a chance for Auckland to build an iconic landmark that would be recognised the world over – but in keeping with Auckland’s natural volcanic landscape. […] Although not as large in scale, likely between 30,000-50,000 capacity, O’Reilly said a truly cutting-edge design could see the Kiwi venue punch way above its weight and become as recognised as some of the most famous on Earth.
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27 responses to “Good Old Boy pushes waterfront stadium for Auckland *yawn

  1. Elizabeth

    Sunken stadium almost as stupid as this idea….

    At Facebook:

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    Then this….
    *sick a little in my mouth

    [ie stadium a complete freaking failure]

    Sun, 30 Apr 2017
    ODT: Dunedin Venues looking beyond events for revenue
    By Greta Yeoman – The Star
    An increase in non-event revenue opportunities is the focus of Dunedin Venues, chief executive Terry Davies says. Mr Davies said along with securing events at the DVML-managed Forsyth Barr Stadium, Dunedin Town Hall and the Dunedin Centre, the company was focusing on alternative income streams. Those included leasing stadium car parks to Otago Polytechnic, letting World Fitness Gym open on Level 2 of the stadium and partnering with other businesses around the city. While concerts and other events were a big part of DVML’s work, the unpredictability of securing concerts meant the ability to have more firm income sources was a positive for the company as a whole, Mr Davies said. Cont/

    • Hype O'Thermia

      How about opening it up to freedom campers? A slight change in bylaws might be helpful.
      I’m thinking along the lines of …
      … haven’t thought out all the details yet so bear with …
      locals text Un Self Contained Rapid Response Team
      Menacing big people in black uniforms and shades “explain” that people can’t stay there and “offer” to escort them to legal affordable facility – Fubar of course. It’s got toilets, it’s got kitchens, it’s got cameras, it’s got security. Nice little earner!

    • Peter

      Oh dear, what a sorry story for the poor old stadium. Are we surprised?
      Now Terry is looking for ‘alternative income streams’. You only do this when faced with a dud, eh.
      He presents the periodic rental income from leasing the car park etc as ‘positive’. Positive spin, more like it. Who wants sell out concerts after all when you can lease the car park?
      Even the dumbest stadium devotees can see through this ‘positive’ story.
      I guess the pressure is on Terry to perform. Or else. If I was Terry I would be looking for a new job. Like his predecessors.

  2. Hype O'Thermia

    You know about “dream catchers” – little circular things decorated with threads and tassels,
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dreamcatcher
    In some Native American cultures, a dreamcatcher or dream catcher is a handmade willow hoop, on which is woven a net or web….

    The on-the-waterfront stadium looks like a storm catcher, an under-the-water cunning plan for solving some of Auckland’s housing and gridlock problems which are – unwelcome unspoken fact – a result of too many people in a place that can’t accommodate them. One big event + one sudden violent storm = thousands fewer drivers and many more homes available for the people who had the sense to check the forecast and decided not to attend*.

    *probable improvement in city’s collective IQ too

  3. I find hard to believe this ‘sunken stadium’ is not a late April Fools’ Day joke. But then I saw the sense of it. It will be a really hard, complicated build and give plenty of work for mates in the construction business. And possibly later in the ‘pumping out all the water’ business. Wasn’t Queen St the location of a creek which ran down into the harbour? I think downtown Auckland buildings already have to pump out water. Maybe, rather like Hype suggested, all the freedom campers could go there, eventually in houseboats. Along with various grey and possibly black water overflows. Oh, no, that’s right. The freedom campers can make their own.

  4. “Marine urban sprawl.” I thought I had read something about this kind of thing before for housing. http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20161101-the-benefits-and-downsides-of-building-into-the-sea

  5. Farmer

    OK so you are all having a crack at this unique and challenging design concept – but a few weeks ago we were all celebrating fashion designers coming from all over the world to do just that with clothes on the railway station platform!!
    Putting the design aside, I have always thought that NZ needs and should have one world class stadium and as much as I hate to say it, it would probably have to be in Auckland. It should have happened prior to the rugby world cup but they couldn’t get their act together and squandered the opportunity – and probably some central government funding. Melbourne and Sydney have 5 or 6 each – NZ doesn’t have one!!
    It’s interesting how a designer or a design is labelled crazy, yet years down the track it is labelled iconic and unique and celebrated by everyone. I wonder what you would all be saying if you say the concept design of the Sydney Opera House?

    • Hype O'Thermia

      Crazy old world eh? Some crazy / ugly designs are hated then loved because they were ahead of their time, and time catches up with them.
      Other crazy / ugly designs are crazy / ugly at the time. Many never go beyond the design stage, people with smarts and taste vetoing them on the grounds they are fsk’d from gaggle to zatch. Others are unwisely created and remain as monuments to tastelessness, impracticality and people with oversized egos in charge of too much money.
      Condemnation of a design is no guarantee that it is truly a good design. Mostly, it’s the opposite.

      • Farmer

        Hype, you use an aweful lot of jumbled words to say very little.

        ‘Condemnation of a design is no guarantee that it is truly a good design.’
        I agree with what you say, the opposite is also true. But please have an open mind and don’t just automatically go to your default setting which seems to be to knock everything!!
        Have you ever put your spade in the ground and designed/built/financed/created anything?

    • Budgeted at an initial cost of $7 million, the Opera House ended up costing more than $100 million and took more than a decade to construct. That cost blowout, of 1400 percent, makes Sydney’s Opera House the most expensive cost blowout in the history of megaprojects around the world, according to Danish economic geographer Bent Flyvbjerg.
      http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/why-sydneys-opera-house-was-the-worlds-biggest-planning-disaster/news-story/9a596cab579a3b96bba516f425b3f1a6

  6. Elizabeth

    Jørn Utzon’s Sydney opera house doesn’t really do it for me. Although clearly it has, and creates, a grand sense of occasion and I’m dreadfully fond of its acoustics for performance. Many moons ago, distinguished architectural critic Charles Jencks published some line sketches interpreting the building’s iconic form; this is a well known spoof in terms of post modern architectural history. The drawings were playfully good humoured but they ended up killing any spark left of my spatial appreciation (jarring oscillation between a nun’s hat and humping turtles – there were other references as well). I did however buy a commemorative glass plate featuring the opera house (from the time of the opening) which has seen much use as a cake plate at my apartment and is still in immaculate condition!

  7. Farmer

    Yes well I guess we all have different views on what spins our wheels and I guess that’s what makes life interesting. All I meant by the example of the Opera House is that there is a building that is unique and grand and instantly recognisable as being ‘Sydney’. Like the Eiffel Tower or Big Ben, or Dunedin’s Railway Station or Aucklands Sky Tower. The world is a better and more interesting place for all these – and dozens of other structures and buildings. Please just open your mind to what might be possible. What a boring place it would be if everything that pushed the boundaries a little was immediately shut down. It surprises me that a Farmer that hasn’t travelled that much (me) seems to be more open to new and interesting ideas than a lot of folk on here. Would any NZ’s or the worlds great cities be as unique and interesting as they are if all new ideas were clobbered?

    • Elizabeth

      Having studied (BArch MArch), taught and worked in architecture for years (having come from sheep and cattle farming!), all I can say is the essence of architecture is the critical enquiry. That’s the fun and torture. Bring it on.

      • A

        Of course it is. Statement tastefully rendered, but Brutalist and ‘Dada’ (tata).

        When you say ‘Sydney’, I thought you talking bout Sydney Nolan.

  8. Elizabeth

    FOOTBALL SOUTH

    At Facebook:

    Unlike professional rugby, football is enjoying major growth everywhere – not just at Dunedin. The fact that the (all weather) ‘rugby’ fubar stadium is standing empty is a farce out of all proportion. Terry Davies appears to have abandoned the idea to let other codes onto the stadium (high maintenance) natural turf – or replace it with artificial.

    Yes Football South needs all weather turf – but Dunedin ratepayers have to ask if DCC should kick in over $1M+ of ‘no returns’ funding to Logan Park’s spuriously sneaky incremental ‘redevelopment’ scheme….. At a time when core infrastructure upgrade and development is so blatantly lagging in the DCC’s LTP ‘exercise’ (see DCC ‘s lack of speedy investment in the operational engineering of Dunedin’s Three Waters Strategy; and utter degradation of the Otago power network, thanks to council-owned companies Aurora/Delta …. requiring a minimum spend of $1B on capital works in replacement)….. blah blah blah.

    How many more failure-bound DCC pet projects can the est. 53,000 ratepayers sustain …. Mosgiel pool, Sammy’s (potentially tied to the fate of Fortune and Mayfair theatres), South Dunedin hub, Jetty St pedestrianisation (trolling under the overbridge where no foot traffic exists) and alley ‘improvements’ off Bond St (far distant from the nightly student shots/swill at Octagon bars), and the damnable central city plan initiative about to hit. To name but a few. Millions of lolly money later for what public gain.

    The Farry stadium and all the false invoicing for that, has taught this city council absolutely nothing.

    The last DCC CFO to his immense credit discovered a lot more ‘anomalies’ in the council books than he had the time and resources to solve.

    The answer appears to be keep on spending on peripherals.

    Tue, 2 May 2017
    ODT: Plans for football facility
    By Jeff Cheshire
    Football South has asked the Dunedin City Council for $1 million of funding this year for artificial sports fields it says could attract major national football tournaments to Dunedin. The organisation says urgency is needed, as it requires the funding by the end of the year to make sure it can attract $425,000 from Fifa. After that it could go to funding bodies, confident the rest of the $3 million the project would cost could be raised. Football South’s proposal is for two all-weather artificial sports fields on Logan Park. The organisation yesterday put its case to the Dunedin City Council at a public forum. Cont/

    • I saw these guys before the public forum yesterday, looking all very corporate in their suits, shaking hands in that strange male bonding way with a certain councillor also in a suit. Someone on the inside, no doubt, to ‘guide them through the council process’. These guys don’t need this million dollars but I bet they get it. That’s because, in dispensing public funds, generally the DCC works like ‘Robin Hood in reverse’.
      Quote: “It could also be used for recreation by the general public.”
      Well, that ticks the box that it’s for the public good and the DCC should fund it, doesn’t it?
      I have been thinking lately of ‘politicised baby boomers’. Here comes the gerontocracy! Then we might get a fair allocation of public resources, instead of the current ‘toys for me, me, me and my mates’. The sort of self-focused attitude I would expect from a nasty, little boy.

  9. Hype O'Thermia

    Wasn’t the natural high-maintenance turf replaced/covered when they had an event in the Fubar Stadium that required concrete to “perform” on?

    • Elizabeth

      Temporary (concrete) cover only for the drifting event and programmed to coincide with returfing (grass) prior to the current rugby season.

      • Hype O'Thermia

        Aha. Can’t rugby be played on artificial grass? I thought it was one of those “we can jerk you around” rules imposed by those corrupt old buggers running the rugby world cup.

  10. Elizabeth

    ODT editor Barry Stewart said on Ch39 news tonight that Dunedin’s club rugby numbers are down by 10% from last year. Tomorrow’s newspaper has positive reaction from other sport codes to Football South’s all weather fields proposal.

  11. Elizabeth

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  12. Hype O'Thermia

    So the obvious thing to do is re-purpose the Fubar Stadium to be primarily equipped for regular football games, occasionally available for rugby. It still won’t pay its way, it will still be on IV transfusion bleeding us pale, but at least it will be of more use to more people in a sport that is growing not withering.

  13. Elizabeth

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    Suddenly it’s not just about football. Funny that. Professional Cricket is taking over more and more of the public owned Logan Park, it appears.
    Note: Professional, not amateur cricket.

    Intended as a multi-use facility, it would include one field with football markings, one with both football and rugby, as well as an artificial cricket wicket in the middle.

    Wed, 7 Jun 2017
    ODT: OCT gives $600,000 for turfs
    By David Loughrey
    One of the Otago Community Trust’s larger recent donations has got Football South two-thirds of the way to its funding target for two artificial turf sports fields at Logan Park. The trust yesterday announced $600,000 for the project, less than a month after the Dunedin City Council agreed to provide $1 million. Football South chief executive Chris Wright said last night he was now confident his organisation could raise about $1 million it needed to ensure the $3 million project went ahead. The new pitches in Dunedin would be built on fields bordered by Union St East and Logan Park Dr, next to the already upgraded changing rooms. Cont/

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