OUR CULTURAL HERITAGE TRADITION IS HORSES ON THE BEACH
—P*** OFF DCC
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NO Sand Dunes are at risk if DCC gets off its dung-darkened tail to clearly mark Community-agreed entry and exit points to relevant/historical beaches for horses, light vehicles with training rigs, and sulkies.
WE OWN THE FRIGGING BEACHES
No one we know doesn’t love the sight of powerfully fit horses exercising on rural and urban beaches as they’ve done for generations, according to tides typically discreet and in harmony with other beach users and the coastal environment generally.
If there’s a problem it means DCC hasn’t bothered to consult properly on practical measures and agreed outcomes that enable All beach users to ENJOY OUR COASTAL RESOURCE.
Instead: RED-TAPE COUNCIL BUREAUCRATS WITH GREENIE AGENDAS
dccmakeworkschemesdccmakeworkschemesdccmakeworkschemes
No doubt influenced by ‘academics’ from the University of Otago dune study.
WHO ARE the environmental lobbyists within DCC moving to SHUT DOWN our freedom to move ?
Cast the morons out of this church.
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█ DCC is currently consulting on the Proposed Reserves and Beaches Bylaw 2017 and seeks public submissions by Friday, 10 February 2017.
DCC would like to know what you think about the proposed bylaw. Your views will shape the final document. The focus of this bylaw review is to direct recreational users and our community to the best reserve and beach spaces for their activities. Your feedback is an important part of the review and we appreciate the time you take to make a submission.
An information pack is available from the DCC Customer Services Centre, by phoning 477 4000 or online.
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At Facebook:
Council staff would not be interviewed yesterday, but in written responses to questions stressed the need to protect dune systems.
### ODT Online Wed, 8 Feb 2017
Plan for horses on beaches ‘overkill’
By Chris Morris
Nostrils are flaring as the Dunedin City Council faces a backlash over tougher new rules for horses on the city’s beaches. The proposal would restrict horses to thin strips of sand between dunes and high-water marks at four beaches where the animals were permitted to run. The idea has triggered an outcry from riders, as trainers warned of injuries to their animals while one horse trek business owner feared it could spell the end of his venture. The changes were included in the council’s reserves and beaches bylaw, which would remain the subject of public consultation until Friday.
Read more
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6.2.17 Uncontrolled freedom camping at Warrington Domain this weekend —DCC ‘hell model’ [no enforcement]
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Posted by Elizabeth Kerr
This post is offered in the public interest.
What if? Dunedin... 
Council should stop trying to be the ‘Fun Police’
I have ‘pre-teenage’ granddaughters who love their ponies. Unfortunately their family is landless, but enjoy the generosity of an iconic lady at Westwood beach who allows them to ‘team up’ with a pony of their very own (conditional upon mucking out before riding). The freedom that they enjoy ‘losing themselves’ (kids and ponies) for countless hours in the surf and beach combing the shore is a daily encounter with nature that the Council would seemingly want to stop.
The question must then be asked of the Council and their modus operandi of academic snobbery, “what other stimulating alternative does the City offer these children? Well pre-Christmas these very kids discovered exactly what the sordid Metro city has to offer when they visited the inner City for the purpose of doing some Xmas shopping. A parent of one girl had arranged to pick the girls up at McDonalds at an appointed time. Not a good move!!! Upon entering McDonalds, they were immediately challenged to fight by a gang of Maori girls. The girls quickly deduced that, they being only four and the gang being upwards of six, retreat was their only option. They legged it back to the street; pursued at close quarters by the gang of ‘generously built’ challengers.
Long story short, they ‘bailed’ to the shelter of another retailer; the manager of whom generously gave our girls shelter and once recovered allowed them to exit from the rear of his premises.
I recount this story to illustrate what a beautiful life our granddaughters and their young friends have while living so close to safety in nature’s paradise with their ponies, the surf, and the beach and the sheer bastard option that the City Council would have them adopt in its stead. The author of this proposal to remove our kids and their ponies from the surf should be put in stocks.
DCC Horse Ban
There’s going to be a BLOODY LYNCHING.
False pretences. Here is the pearl-wearing Cr Fool Prat Wilson, hohoho chair of Infrastructure Services, who IS trying to ban horses from OUR BEACHES.
Don’t you missie WASTE OUR F***ing TIME.
We’ll have a conversation alright, it’ll see you (IQ 25 and decreasing) in frigging purgatory.
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Received. Highlighted by whatifdunedin.
ODT 9.2.17
https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/dcc/protecting-dunes-focus-not-horse-ban-dcc-says
Wotcher. She does that, does ej. Yet, purgatory, or purge a Tory, if you will, is a mere way station on the way to Lord’s.
Now, a visitor from East Sussex:
‘Aargh, ye tallymen! It’s not the quarrter horse rippin the dunes of Rye! It be the draught. We was a Cinq port. Look you, silt! sult! No port. Goodbye’
Fri, 10 Feb 2017
ODT: No explanation on DCC horse stance
ORC chief executive Peter Bodeker yesterday confirmed the regional council had no plans to evict horses or their riders from the beach, saying the “level of disturbance” they caused did not warrant it. The ORC had jurisdiction over the coastal marine area, from the high tide mark out into coastal waters, including the foreshore. Mr Bodeker said the ORC’s coastal plan did not regulate horse riding in the coastal marine area, and there were no plans to do so. Cont/
[Major DCC Gaffe Alert]
█ Submissions close today Friday at 5pm.
Proposed Reserves and Beaches Bylaw 2017 and seeks public submissions by Friday, 10 February 2017.
People are being misled about this. The lack of clarity from the DCC shows me that it is unwilling to be clear. A careful read of the proposed bylaw reveals what they have been keeping secret – the DCC proposes to totally prohibit horses on all beaches except in four specified areas (Brighton, Island Park beach, Waikouaiti beach and Tomahawk/Smaills beach). This means no horses on every other beach in the Dunedin district including St Kilda/St Clair, Waitati, Papanui, Long Beach, Warrington etc.There is currently no restriction on these beaches.
Let me emphasize that the DCC proposal is not to ban horses from some parts of these beaches, it is a total ban from all parts of nearly all beaches within the jurisdiction of the DCC. This has not been otherwise been disclosed by the DCC or the ODT. Only the detailed wording of the bylaw reveals this fact – nothing in the description of the changes reveals the extent of this deception (see “information-pack.pdf”). The wording of the bylaw is this (abbreviated for clarity):
No person in a reserve or on a beach may Bring any animal into a reserve or onto a beach, except:
Any horse being taken into a permitted area (as listed in any management plan or Appendix 1of this Bylaw), and using formal access tracks, but horses are not permitted in or on the dunes of any reserve;
In plain english: horses are prohibited from all beaches except for the four areas listed and horses are also allowed if there is a management plan.
The DCC has led us to believe that parts of beaches were to be restricted, but not told us that this bylaw is a total ban from nearly all beaches in the Dunedin District. This is especially disgraceful because citizens making submissions about this have been deceived and the result of the consultation will be invalid.
Submitters also need to be wary of getting caught up in the poorly drafted online form which lacks particular context to make rational response – submitters WILL BE USED by DCC to make unmitigated changes to hiw we enjoy beaches, parks and reserves – as JimmyJones says.
I have submitted that the whole of the Proposed Reserves and Beaches Bylaw 2017 must be re-consulted and redrafted – and public consultation must not be held during what is for many still the summer holiday period.
The whole episode from DCC is RUSHED and UGLY IN INTENT.
Despicable and UN-professional of DCC policy planners, mayor and councillors who let the draft through for half-arsed ill-timed public consultation.
Go to DCC Online Submission Form
http://www.dunedin.govt.nz/council-online/online-forms/proposed-reserves-and-beaches-bylaw-2017-submission
DCC confirmation of my submission received. My submission is NOT technical, as in clause by clause. No time or energy for that. If need, can do so at hearing. The repetition below is deliberate.
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Fri, 10 Feb 2017 at 4:23 p.m.
Thank you for taking the time to provide us a submission on the Proposed Reserves and Beaches Bylaw 2017
Below is a summary of your feedback:
Your Details
Name: Elizabeth Kerr
Organisation: None
[my contacts deleted here]
Speaking to your submission
Yes
Preferred method of contact
Email
Submission
Do you support extending the “Reserves” Bylaw to apply to beaches?
No
Do you have any further comments about the bylaw applying to beaches?
DO NOT BAN HORSES FROM ANY DUNEDIN BEACHES – DCC MUST follow the stance of Otago Regional Council – namely that: via ODT
ORC chief executive Peter Bodeker yesterday [9.2.17] confirmed the regional council had no plans to evict horses or their riders from the beach, saying the “level of disturbance” they caused did not warrant it. The ORC had jurisdiction over the coastal marine area, from the high tide mark out into coastal waters, including the foreshore. Mr Bodeker said the ORC’s coastal plan did not regulate horse riding in the coastal marine area, and there were no plans to do so.
Source: https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/dcc/no-explanation-dcc-horse-stance
DCC has made a major gaffe with the UNCERTAINTY contained in its “deceptive” and poorly drafted Proposed Reserves and Beaches Bylaw 2017. The bylaw should be publicly re-consulted and re-drafted – and issued for consultation at an appropriate time of year that does not coincide with summer and public holidays!
In respect of reserves, would you like dog controls on reserves changed?
Unsure
Should dogs be prohibited from sand dune areas?
No
On what reserves or beaches should dogs be banned?
NONE – no beaches.
Are there reserves/beaches where dogs should be allowed off leash?
All beaches should allow dogs OFF leads.
Are there reserves/beaches where dogs should be required on leash?
NONE – no beaches.
Please include any other comments you have about the control of dogs on reserves and beaches.
Nothing to say.
Do you agree that drones should be restricted on reserves and beaches unless they have prior permission from the Council?
Unsure
Do you have any other comments on drone use you would like us to consider?
CAA jurisdiction is sufficient.
Should horses be restricted in reserves?
No
Should horses be prohibited from sand dunes?
NO THEY SHOULD NOT. DO NOT BAN HORSES FROM ANY DUNEDIN BEACHES – DCC MUST follow the stance of Otago Regional Council – namely that: via ODT
ORC chief executive Peter Bodeker yesterday [9.2.17] confirmed the regional council had no plans to evict horses or their riders from the beach, saying the “level of disturbance” they caused did not warrant it. The ORC had jurisdiction over the coastal marine area, from the high tide mark out into coastal waters, including the foreshore. Mr Bodeker said the ORC’s coastal plan did not regulate horse riding in the coastal marine area, and there were no plans to do so.
Source: https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/dcc/no-explanation-dcc-horse-stance
DCC has made a major gaffe with the UNCERTAINTY contained in its “deceptive” and poorly drafted Proposed Reserves and Beaches Bylaw 2017. The bylaw should be publicly re-consulted and re-drafted – and issued for consultation at an appropriate time of year that does not coincide with summer and public holidays!
Do you have any other comments on horses on beaches?
DO NOT BAN HORSES FROM ANY DUNEDIN BEACHES – DCC MUST follow the stance of Otago Regional Council – namely that: via ODT
ORC chief executive Peter Bodeker yesterday [9.2.17] confirmed the regional council had no plans to evict horses or their riders from the beach, saying the “level of disturbance” they caused did not warrant it. The ORC had jurisdiction over the coastal marine area, from the high tide mark out into coastal waters, including the foreshore. Mr Bodeker said the ORC’s coastal plan did not regulate horse riding in the coastal marine area, and there were no plans to do so.
Source: https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/dcc/no-explanation-dcc-horse-stance
DCC has made a major gaffe with the UNCERTAINTY contained in its “deceptive” and poorly drafted Proposed Reserves and Beaches Bylaw 2017. The bylaw should be publicly re-consulted and re-drafted – and issued for consultation at an appropriate time of year that does not coincide with summer and public holidays!
Should vehicles be prohibited from sand dunes?
Unsure
Do you agree that vehicle access should be restricted on reserves and beaches? Are there exceptions to the type of vehicles that the bylaw should or should not apply to?
This question is TOO WIDE to answer accurately and should be redrafted.
The Council is proposing a speed limit of 20 kilometres per hour on reserves and beaches unless there is a different speed limit imposed by Council resolution or signage. Are there exceptions to this that Council should consider including in the bylaw?
This is UTTER CRAP. This question is TOO WIDE to answer accurately and should be redrafted. DCC has made a major gaffe with the UNCERTAINTY contained in its “deceptive” and poorly drafted Proposed Reserves and Beaches Bylaw 2017. The bylaw should be publicly re-consulted and re-drafted – and issued for consultation at an appropriate time of year that does not coincide with summer and public holidays!
Are there other topics and issues that should be considered in this review? Please comment below.
I am HIGHLY DISSATISFIED and DISGUSTED with this DCC policy planning exercise, namely, the Proposed Reserves and Beaches Bylaw 2017. The DCC has made a major gaffe with the UNCERTAINTY contained in its “deceptive” and poorly drafted Proposed Reserves and Beaches Bylaw 2017. The bylaw should be publicly re-consulted and re-drafted – and issued for consultation at an appropriate time of year that does not coincide with summer and public holidays!
In addition, DCC MUST TOTALLY BAN freedom camping from all Dunedin Parks and Reserves. See my as yet unanswered LGOIMA request re Warrington Domain : Local Government Official Information request – Ref No. 570874. Sent to DCC by online form on Sun, 22 Jan 2017.
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Ban it! They scream in giddy unison.
Why are ban types so tone deaf?
Perhaps these brave souls could harness their indignation and confront the sub-humans who leave septic smelling waste at Warrington domain. Not ban them, just a good old face-to-face confrontation.
libertas
Stay? You pay!
Allow the private owners of commercial camping grounds to make their living – without having to compete with DCC’s ‘PC laxity’. If you can afford a vehicle and the fuel you can afford a modest camp fee and enjoy the use of managed facilities.
I used to think the point of having a camper (or van with mattress) was so you could stop somewhere, anywhere for the night, somewhere away from mobs of fellow campers such as the crowded camping grounds. A bucket with a good lid, or the old trampers’ tidy practice of digging a little hole and covering their poop, and a plastic bag for food wrappers – but no, today they seem determined to flock like paradise ducks, despoiling wherever they cluster. Cull for paradise ducks is more effectual than Cull for free-loader-dom campers.
Despite obvious irritation and more than an ounce of defiant ott shark teeth in my submission on the Proposed Reserves and Beaches Bylaw 2017, it seems I am not alone.
The riot:
If ‘communications’ are indicative then no wonder such a Poorly Drafted bylaw has been put before the public. There has been no thought to consequences or appropriate public engagement. Perhaps higher education is needed at core, with modesty training to diminish totalitarian excess.
█ DCC says Crs Whiley, Benson-Pope and Stedman will hear submissions.
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Mon, 6 Mar 2017
ODT: 433 have their say on bylaw
By Chris Morris
The Dunedin City Council has been inundated with hundreds of submissions over proposed new rules for the city’s reserves and beaches. The council last month unveiled proposed changes to its Reserves Bylaw, which would be extended to cover beaches and introduce new restrictions for horses, drones and vehicles at both.
….the council received 433 submissions on the revised bylaw, including from 80 people who wanted to speak in person. The hearing was set for March 14, 15 and 21, although the final day was expected to be used for deliberations by the panel hearing submissions.
….Horse riders worried the changes, including restricting horses to above the high-water mark, would keep them off city beaches’ flat, wet sand closer to the surf. The risk of injury in softer sand further up the beach meant they would, in effect, be forced off beaches altogether.
It later emerged the Otago Regional Council had jurisdiction for the area below the high water mark, and had no plans to evict horses or their riders from the beach, while [!!!!!] DCC staff later clarified their focus was on protecting sand dunes, not removing horses from beaches. Cont/
My emphasis.
DCC RED TAPE ALERT
The Proposed Reserves and Beaches Bylaw is a crock of deceptive and misleading rubbish, styled by over-reaching deskhugger bureaucrats living in a wigwam.
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Wed, 15 Mar 2017
ODT: Bylaw spurs ardent pleas
By Chris Morris
There were impassioned pleas and some pointed criticism as the Dunedin City Council began hearing submissions on new rules for beaches and reserves yesterday. The pleas came from horse-lovers who feared their right to gallop along the sand was under threat, and from wildlife advocates who wanted an end to vehicles “hooning” along the city’s beaches. They also came from drone operators worried about more red tape, and hang-glider pilots. All were heard by the council’s hearings committee as it began hearing public views on the proposed reserves and beaches bylaw. The bylaw, which attracted 433 submissions, would extend the reserves bylaw to cover beaches and introduce new restrictions. Cont/
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Public information and submissions
█ Proposed Reserves and Beaches Bylaw 2017 Information Pack (PDF, 549.8 KB)
A copy of all documentation regarding the Proposed Reserves and Beaches Bylaw 2017
█ Speaking list for meeting (14 March 2017) (PDF, 61.2 KB)
List of speakers at Hearings as at 4.30pm Fri 10 March 2017
█ Public feedback received during consultation
Submissions received on the Proposed Reserves and Beaches Bylaw 2017