DCC Draft Annual Plan 2017/18

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An ordinary meeting of the Dunedin City Council will be held on Monday 23 January 2017 in the Edinburgh Room, Municipal Chambers, The Octagon, starting at 9.00am.


1 Introduction                                                                                           
2 Apologies                                                                                              
3 Confirmation of Agenda
4 Declaration of Interest    
5 Draft 2017/18 Annual Plan Budget Material
6 Draft 2017/18 Budget – Water and Waste Group
7 Emissions Trading Scheme Liabilities and Proposed Carbon Management Policy
8 Draft 2017/18 Budget – Solid Waste
9 Update on the Tertiary Precinct Safety and Accessibility Upgrade
10 Draft 2017/18 Budget – Transport Group
11 Draft 2017/18 Budget – Parks and Recreation Group
12 Draft 2017/18 Budget – Property
13 Draft 2017/18 Budget – Arts and Culture Group
14 Draft 2017/18 Budget – Customer and Regulatory Group
15 Te Ao Tūroa Environment Strategy Funding
16 Review of the Allocation of Funding to Applicants to the Biodiversity Fund
17 Draft 2017/18 Budget – Community and Planning Group
18 Draft 2017/18 Budget – Enterprise Dunedin
19 Draft 2017/18 Budget – Corporate Services
20 Draft 2017/18 Budget – Corporate Support Services
21 Draft 2017/18 Budget – Waipori Fund
22 Draft 2017/18 Budget – Investment Account                                                            
Council Open Attachments under separate cover
[see item 9 Update on the Tertiary Precinct Safety and Accessibility Upgrade]

Council Supplementary Agenda
23 2017/18 Rating Method
24 Notices of Motion                

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27 responses to “DCC Draft Annual Plan 2017/18

  1. Elizabeth


    Sun, 22 Jan 2017
    ODT: Biodiversity to breakwater: ‘raft of things’ on agenda
    Widening Portobello Rd, the Te Rauone breakwater project, internet infrastructure and biodiversity work are just some of the “raft of things” on the agenda for the Otago Peninsula Community Board this year. Board chairman Paul Pope said the members had “a very busy year ahead”, with the Portobello Rd widening a “pretty big” issue, along with the community collaboration with Port Otago on the Te Rauone breakwater project. He hoped the board would also be advocating for the fibre internet infrastructure the peninsula community “desperately” needed as they still had “folk out here using dial-up”. Cont/

    Sun, 22 Jan 2017
    ODT: Cycleway-walkway, tree removal among priorities
    The West Harbour Community Board is likely to focus on four main priorities during 2017, with the aim of improving and enhancing the area, chairman Steve Walker says. […] Top of the list will be the ongoing push for the completion of the West Harbour cycleway-walkway through to Port Chalmers. […] Another high priority is the continuation of removal of sycamores in West Harbour … the upgrade of the George St streetscape in Port Chalmers … [and] upgrading of harbourside assets to allow better use of the harbour and public toilet upgrades. Cont/

    Sun, 22 Jan 2017
    ODT: Encouraging active recreation and development important
    Murals, community engagement, encouraging active recreation, and pursuing economic development opportunities are on the agenda for the Mosgiel Taieri Community Board this year. Chairwoman Sarah Nitis said a mural at Pocket Park would be painted next month while planning continued on three other murals proposed for other parts of the Mosgiel business district. That work was being conducted along with the Mosgiel Business Association. The board was also keen to increase its profile throughout the Mosgiel Taieri area, Mrs Nitis said. Cont/

    Sun, 22 Jan 2017
    ODT: Road safety, recreational space upkeep, in sights
    Road safety, maintaining recreational spaces and engaging with the community are on the agenda for the Saddle Hill Community Board this year. Board chairman Scott Weatherall said the intersections at Main South Rd and Brighton Rd and Allanton-Scroggs Hill Rd and Scroggs Hill Rd had caused concern and the board was seeking improvements at those sites. The board would also lobby the Dunedin City Council to improve cycle safety in Morris Rd, Fairfield and on the Southern Scenic Route between Waldronville and Taieri Mouth. Freedom camping has been an issue of concern in Brighton but Mr Weatherall said the situation with freedom campers was “going really well” this summer. Cont/

    Sun, 22 Jan 2017
    ODT: Fresh challenges for Strath Taieri
    The Strath Taieri Community Board will be looking to begin new projects for 2017, which will be determined after the board meets on February 2 for the first time this year. […] Ongoing projects included planting and signage to be introduced to the Middlemarch Cemetery and yellow no-passing lines on State Highway 87. A petition was initiated by the board last year which gained more than 100 signatures by people concerned about the number of yellow no-passing lines affecting the flow of traffic on the road. Cont/

    Sun, 22 Jan 2017
    ODT: Trees, toilets and transfer station priorities
    Replanting trees, installing public toilets, working on the design of the transfer station and ongoing civil defence discussions are just some of the issues on the agenda for the Waikouaiti Coast Community Board this year. Chairman Alasdair Morrison said the board would be looking at the clean-up and subsequent replanting of native trees at Waikouaiti Beachfront Reserve, where a pine tree plantation was harvested last year. […] The board members would also be “keeping an eye” on freedom camping in the area.
    He said while the numbers of freedom campers did not seem to be as high as last year, due to the weather, he also was waiting until February, as that was when most visitors parked up in Warrington. Cont/

  2. JimmyJones

    There won’t be much of that Community Board spending for the next financial year – not unless it is related to bicycles or planet-saving heroics. It is said that: the size and cost of local governments keep expanding until they consume all available funding. The DCC has reached that limit and is trying to exceed it. The finances disclosed in the Annual Plan show that it is entering a financial crisis. This has been building for a while with foolish spending on several costly, loss-making projects (eg Town Hall, FB Stadium, Otago Settlers Museum renovations). As each of these has been completed the annual losses have been building. In addition, the current management have had trouble controlling operating costs. Staff costs will increase by $2.6 million next year – do they really need another lawyer, another spin-doctor and another 6 accountants/financial staff. Total costs will increase by $17.3 million (+6.8%) on this current year.

    For the next financial year there will be no DCC debt reduction, there will be additional DCHL debt and there will be a $10.4 million shortfall of funding for capital expenditure compared to what was expected in the long term plan. This shortage of capital expenditure funding has serious consequences: it means that councillors will either need to cut the spending on useless, unwanted projects (Central City Project, Strategic Cycle Network, Tertiary Precinct project etc) or cut spending on essential infrastructure (water, sewerage, stormwater, footpath and road resurfacing etc). Our cowardly councillors generally do what they are told and they are being told by the mayor and DCC staff to cut the essential stuff and INCREASE spending on the useless stuff.

    This is especially stupid, and also dangerous, because of the huge backlog of Water And Waste renewals (pipes and equipment that are worn out but haven’t been replaced). The government auditor in 2015 warned them about this, but since then, more stuff has worn out and the funding needed to fix this backlog has grown larger. For the next financial year the backlog will grow much faster because of the large size of the funding cut that our mayor and councillors are about to approve. In the long term there is no money to be saved by delaying this work, what happens is that the water, sewerage and stormwater systems eventually stop working. We all know this, but it seems like our DCC decision-makers do not. How do we make them understand that their very short term focus is destroying our city.

    • Calvin Oaten

      Jimmy, you don’t and can’t make them understand. The South Dunedin Floods were exacerbated by the rising sea levels, and we all know where the Delta/Aurora situation sits. The Stadium costs an additional $20-$25 million per year, we know that. The Town Hall Conference Centre complex is so short of activities that it operates in deficit, but they don’t know that, because they (councillors) have never been told and the Otago Settlers Museum has no income due to free entrances, but they (councillors) have not been aware of this. All up there is over $30 million here in the “La La Land” where the monkeys store their nuts and Dave Cull sleeps.

      • Elizabeth


        Otago Settlers Museum income includes cafe lease, events hireage of public spaces (theatre and foyer), gift shop sales, and special exhibitions….
        Suggest you speak to the Museum Director if you want more information.

        • JimmyJones

          The Otago Settlers Museum (OSM) does have some external income but it is quite small compared to the annual expenses. The draft annual plan (link above) (page 100) shows that this year the OSM will collect $585,000 and spend $6,636,000 leaving a deficit of over $6 million this year and every year. Based on last year’s total visitors, the net cost to the city will be $19.91 per visitor this year. This large annual loss is due to a mistake by the last Cull Council – whereby they approved the excessively expensive renovations without knowing the ongoing consequences. The councillors’ ignorance was partly due to this information being withheld from them and also, most councillors were, and still are, too stupid to know that they should know the ongoing consequences of their decisions.

  3. Elizabeth

    In fact what has happened to the Aurora network is just a smaller demonstration of what is happening to DCC generally, under extremely poor stewardship coloured by the history of fraudulence.

  4. Elizabeth

    The postponement of essential basic maintenance, has come back to haunt Aurora/Delta on pole replacement and other basic infrastructure.


    Mon, 23 Jan 2017
    ODT Editorial: City council rates
    OPINION It is that time of year again. Dunedin City councillors are today  sitting to consider budgets for the 2017-18 year … Staff have spent three months putting together the draft budget, with the self-imposed council limit of 3% (unless there are “exceptional circumstances”) in mind … “If we want to add anything new to our work programmes, we will need to reduce our spend elsewhere,” a report to the council  last week said. Clearly, there is little “wriggle room”. Cont/

  5. Elizabeth

    RadioNZ alert and comment received from John Evans
    Mon, 23 Jan 2017 at 7:34 a.m.

    On Morning Report today Pavletich stated
    “Businesses cannot relocate to unaffordable locations”

    At an average debt per capita of $15,000 to the city, Auckland and Dunedin top the bill. Auckland can do nothing about it because of the general location of the city with a narrow isthmus to be negotiated to get to the city. Dunedin can, however, solve its problem attracting businesses by reducing per capita local government debt. Recently, Tauranga overtook Dunedin’s population , one comparison was not noted by the ODT. The number of FTE in Tauranga is under 400, the number in Dunedin is over 700. Why do we need more employees per capita in local government when our population is static?


    ### radionz.co.nz 7:24 am on 23 Jan 2017
    Morning Report with Guyon Espiner
    Auckland named fourth most unaffordable city in the world Link
    Auckland’s houses continue to rank amongst the most expensive on the face of the globe, in a relative sense at least, while Tauranga is not far behind in a new international snapshot of home affordability. The annual Demographia survey, which is out today, compares house prices to income in more than 400 cities. Auckland has retained the place of fourth most unaffordable city behind Hong Kong, Sydney and Vancouver.

    Listen to the interview with one of the report’s authors Hugh Pavletich:

    Audio | Download: Ogg MP4 (6:13)


    23.1.17 NZ Herald: Christchurch bucks trend in Demographia housing affordability survey


    13th Annual Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey: 2017
    Rating Middle-Income Housing Affordability
    Australia Canada China (Hong Kong) Ireland Japan New Zealand  Singapore United Kingdom United States
    With comparisons to External Indexes for China and Malaysia
    Introduction by Oliver Hartwich – The New Zealand Initiative
    Data for 3rd Quarter 2016

    Document: http://www.demographia.com/dhi.pdf
    Website: http://www.demographia.com/

  6. Elizabeth

    Tuesday, 24 January 2017 (via ODT Online news items)

    Community boards put their cases for council support
    Dunedin’s community boards took their annual wish-lists to the Dunedin City Council’s annual plan meeting yesterday.

    Mosgiel Taieri Community Board : Priorities include beautification with projects like murals and plantings, enhancing urban walkways, and the planned aquatic centre in Mosgiel; seeking review of infrastructure in the area, particularly transport, waste water and storm water; off-ramp to Mosgiel banking up at busy periods (issue for commuters).

    Strath Taieri Community Board : seeks DCC’s promised monthly schedule of maintenance for the area; correspondence from contractors travelling to the area to do roading repairs welcomed to ensure existing facilities could be prepared in advance.

    Otago Peninsula Community Board : asks council to continue its work widening Portobello Rd; continue to work with the community on Te Rauone Beach to deal with erosion issues; continue to maintain and protect roading assets, and support and maintain parks, reserves and biodiversity on the peninsula; seeks fast broadband to peninsula.

    Waikouaiti Coast Community Board : not asking council for money because “there isn’t any”. Issues include capping of Waikouaiti landfill and creation of transfer station and recycling centre; leaflets for residents detailing appropriate tsunami response, with information on the risk; council and community working to improve freedom camping in Warrington domain. [Still a major issues at the Domain, subject of a new post to come. -Eds]

    West Harbour Community Board : urged council to continue lobbying for completion of State Highway 88 cycle-walkway; and to deal with run-down fencing on the highway; seeks council budgeting to send more members to community boards’ national conference for seminars and training opportunities.

    Biodiversity funding to be maintained at same level
    The Dunedin City Council’s funding pool for Dunedin biodiversity projects will stay the same if the budget in the annual draft plan is approved. A report heard yesterday considered options to increase a $5000, 50:50 grant limit for individual biodiversity projects, following a submission requesting that the current funding option be made more flexible. The fund aimed to help groups and individuals maintain habitats and ecosystems in the city. At present the council funds projects on a 50:50 cost-sharing basis from the $60,000 annual fund. Cont/

    Feedback sought on environment
    Public feedback will be sought on new funding for a Dunedin City Council environmental strategy approved last year. The annual plan meeting was presented with four options from staff for funding the Te Ao Turoa strategy: $90,000; $150,000; $200,000 and no funding at all. But that was whittled down to two – $150,000 and $200,000 … The three goals of the strategy are that Dunedin is resilient and zero carbon, has a healthy environment and that Dunedin people care for the environment … The meeting voted to consult on just the two options.Cont/

    Concern farmers’ rates rise less than ‘fair’
    Farmers look set to take the biggest rates hit after the revaluation late last year of Dunedin properties. With farm valuations jumping 20%, well above the overall increase of all properties at 12.8%, their rates will rise more than any other property type. That, Federated Farmers Otago provincial president Phill Hunt said, was less than “fair and equitable”, and work needed to be done sooner rather than later to adjust rating differentials to deal with the situation. The Dunedin City Council indicated yesterday it would look into the matter, but it appeared farmers might have to wait until next year for that to happen. Cont/

    Report to yesterday’s annual plan meeting showed:
    ● Median house price in Dunedin $285,000.
    ● 46,546 residential properties in the city paying general rates.
    – 80% of these worth between $150,001 and $470,000.
    ● 142 properties with capital value of $1.5million or more.
    – Includes 76 blocks of flats, community houses and cribs, 27 rest homes, halls of residence and boarding houses, 5 large areas of vacant land and 34 private residences.

  7. Rumbold

    What sort of a double standard is it. When we have a Deputy Mayor, who on the one hand sits on the annual plan, and supports the spending of hundreds of thousands of ratepayer dollars on economic development promoting job growth for the city. While on the other hand, sits as a director recieving thousands of dollars in director fees from a company that designs robots to take away those very jobs and livelyhood of thousands of workers across Dunedin and NZ.

  8. Elizabeth

    Wednesday, 25 January 2017 (via ODT news)

    Headline at ODT print edition in regards to DCC Annual Plan:

    No platform for public opinion on budget

    █ DEMOCRACY for Dunedin ratepayers and residents threatened -or not- by social media lobby groups (such as Spokes and Generation Zero) gaining advantage by faceless Facebook, Twitter and Web surveys ???

    Lazy unaccountable local government.

    DCC says via ODT Online:

    Special consultative procedure, including formal submission hearings, not likely to happen this year.

    █ Meaning Local Government (DCC) becomesless transparent and less accountable with each passing year.

    Let’s see – FACE TO FACE IN A FORMAL HEARING SETTING – those people who would treat DCC LIKE A BANK when they themselves have made little effort to find raise in the community for their pet projects (eg TCFT for new Mosgiel Pool).


    Changes to annual plan consultation likely
    How and if the public will be formally consulted on the annual plan will not be decided by the council until late next month. Yesterday, options for an alternative public engagement process for the public to voice their opinions on the 2017-18 draft annual plan were discussed the Dunedin City Council annual plan meeting. Under new legislation, the council is not required to consult the public on changes to the budget which are not significant or material … staff were working on a creative and less formal plan to engage the public on the coming budget. Cont/

    Parking and selling chased away
    The Dunedin City Council is being applauded for introducing a new parking restriction and forcing the removal of a fleet of vehicles for sale. Gillions Funeral Services business manager Elizabeth Goodyear said she was ”delighted” the council had put time restrictions on parking spaces in Hillside Rd near the funeral home in South Dunedin. Cont/

    New rules a risk
    The Dunedin City Council’s proposed new development rules could put people at risk in the event of an oil terminal explosion, oil companies say. […]Rules governing public health and safety will be up for discussion and a joint group representing oil companies says not enough has been included in the proposed plan to protect the city’s two main oil terminals in the waterfront area. Liquigas, which operates an lpg storage facility in the same area, is also concerned.
    On a separate issue, Fonterra says proposed noise restrictions could stop it from making its Mosgiel distribution centre a 24-hour operation. Cont/

    Road safety Saddle Hill board’s No1 priority
    Saddle Hill Community Board chairman Scott Weatherall [said road] safety was the board’s ”No 1 priority” […] While the transportation team had been undertaking some road safety measures, areas including the Green Island-Brighton Rd-Main South Rd intersection and the Allanton-Scroggs Hill Rd intersection required improvements to assist traffic flow.
    The Southern Scenic Route […] from Waldronville through to Taieri Mouth required a dedicated cycleway development. Cont/

    Debating fate of film fee
    Whether [film crews] will be charged a fee in future will be decided later this year. Dunedin City Council staff will report to the council before the next annual plan meeting in May on the effect of dropping a $500 fee on filming in Dunedin. Cont/

    █ Frigging BULL**** from starship Enterprise Dunedin (so what’s new)

    Feedback on food funding sought
    Public feedback will be sought on funding for a Dunedin food resilience initiative. Yesterday, it was agreed at the Dunedin City Council annual plan meeting to ask ratepayers if the current $50,000 funding for the food protection and brand enhancement programme should be continued for the 2017-18 year … the funding would assist in establishing Dunedin as a food destination. Cont/

    Dunedin already bloody IS one you morons. NO THANKS to Enterprise Dunedin.

  9. Brian Miller

    And the biggest load of crap to come out of the annual plan so far. Has been Cr Vandervis’ motion that would see the City and ORC merge. God help us if this council gets any more control over us. It would appear that this council is aiming to get its dirty hands on the stash of cash that a prudent ORC has accumulated, to pay for replacement poles, stadium debt, infrastructure neglect and cycle ways. The same thing happened to Mosgiel after amalgamation. The blood suckers drained Mosgiel of their rates money, and gave nothing back in return. They sit on resource consents and give every dick, tom, harry and their crony developers the go-ahead to build on the productive soils of the Taieri, and then want feedback on Dunedin’s food resilience. Too late council you have killed an industry with your stupid decisions to back developers against the food producers. Hands off the ORC.

    • Elizabeth

      QUITE. Yes, Brian, you are correct.
      Was going to do a separate post for that when feeling LESS INCENSED.

      This ‘merger’ has been the Councillor’s STUPID quest, paraded for years (tunnel bloody vision), and which shows exactly what sort of businessman Vandervis IS NOT. Time he stood down from Local Body Politics.

      It vastly appears Vandervis has done nothing for correcting the Aurora/Delta fiasco these last months – is proving totally ineffectual. Not a f***ing peep.

      So if you’re reading this Lee, get off your sorry arse, leave your ego under a rock, and do something practical to have the Right People restore OTAGO’s power network. And piss off with your spending ideas eg A Performing Arts Centre – you’re as bad as the stadium progenitors.

      Then too, the defamation case you’re taking against Cull is a time waster; and with it you’re putting an impost on Dunedin ratepayers to see to Cull’s defence.

      • Calvin Oaten

        Thanks for your comment. Not published. -Eds

        [Reply to Calvin. I may be wrong! DCC’s deferred infrastructure maintenance and need for renewals come at a cost closer to $3 billion as JimmyJones has outlined here – this doesn’t include DCC’s consolidated debt of approximately $600m, carried by rather less was it than 53,000 ratepayers now. Important to consider that the urbanised elected incompetents at DCC likely see ORC’s wealth as a cash cow only (ORC is debt free). It’s not like DCC has a proven track record of efficiencies and conservative spending to boast. It would make a victim of ORC if swallowed.

        Important for Otago exporters, in particular, that Port Otago Ltd and subsidiary Chalmers Properties Ltd remain under ORC control – and are kept well distinct from anything ‘DCC’.

        The politically experienced, clear-thinking Michael Laws and his Central Otago colleagues will in some way see to a stronger Otago constituency with higher environmental monitoring and protection measures in place before long (uphill climb in stages but not impossible) – does this necessitate amalgamation of councils?! While internal transition at ORC might be rough, Laws and supporters are the ones to watch – they have energy and intelligence to grasp what’s at stake for the rural hinterland and its fast growing population centres – in black and white contrast to the DCC ‘jokers’ (elected representatives) who seem hellbent on making devastating DEBT their star to follow, selling ratepayers and residents ‘down the creek’ at Dunedin as well as across Otago (Aurora Energy).

        ORC chairman Stephen Woodhead responds sensibly to the Vandervis/DCC poppycock.

        Brian Miller, a sharp straight-up observer of local body politics and more besides, has succinctly framed serious matters arising from local body amalgamation (a subject dear to my heart given immediate family representation on the district councils absorbed by DCC).

        DCC is a majorly FAILED organisation at the elected level. That is the crux.

        Site Owner]

        • Calvin Oaten

          You are wrong. If you had bothered to digest my article instead of rushing in over the top with your own then you might have seen where I didn’t suggest taking over the whole of the ORC. I meant to take over the local portion and leave the rest to the respective areas of jurisdiction, such as the Queenstown Lakes District, the Otago Central District, the North Otago and the Clutha districts all taking over their portions of activity. End of story.

        • Elizabeth

          Calvin – kindly, I reserve the right to moderate this website.
          Unless I have it in writing from the Councillor, you do not speak for Cr Vandervis and cannot put words in his mouth.

          I don’t at all support your idea of shafting ORC. It is far more complex in terms of Environmental Law, Geography and Statutory roles than most realise. I completely side with Brian Miller on this matter, he states the obvious.

          Vandervis issues a red herring on this count.

          Site Owner

  10. Peter

    It strikes me that, over time, we face a continual reinventing process where governmental organisation moves continually between centralising and decentralising of its functions/roles.
    Each time this happens there is the promise of improvement or reform. Sometimes it happens, sometimes not.
    I think it is the people you have in charge that make the difference. Dysfunction happens with incompetent people in charge and where bureaucrats employ their cronies whose skill base is not there. I suspect the solutions sought for, in terms of centralising/decentralising, are a desperate ploy to remedy multiple organisational fuck ups.
    As I say, good, competent people in charge make the difference. Trouble is they don’t last because other decent organisations want their skills.
    C’est la vie.

  11. Elizabeth

    ODT correction – print edition 27.1.17 (page 3)

    The headline, “No platform for public opinion on budget” [25.1.17], was incorrect. The Dunedin City Council is working on a plan to engage the public on the annual plan budget.

  12. Elizabeth

    Fri, 27 Jan 2017
    ODT: Mayors concerned over unitary plan
    The Otago Regional Council’s very existence is on the line as the Dunedin City Council considers the merits of a unitary council for the city. The concern was voiced as Otago mayors digested the DCC’s vote this week to study the merits of a unitary council, and as Otago regional councillor Michael Laws pushed for the review to go further. Cont/

  13. Tadpole

    It is reported in the ODT, that proposed noise restrictions under the Dunedin second generation district plan could stop Fonterra making its Mosgiel distribution centre a 24-hour operation. What is wrong with the DCC idiots. Who would want to restrict Fonterra’s operation out at Mosgiel. Don’t the council and the people in Mosgiel want jobs. Mosgiel is becoming the retirement village for Otago. a new $25 million pool but no jobs. Wake up Mosgiel not everything is about the main street and swiming pools. People actually want jobs to help them pay for these vanity projects, plus be able to feed the kids if they have anything left.

    {Link: https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/fonterra-reviewing-mosgiel-operation -Eds}

  14. Simon

    Why is the council through the second generation district plan, picking on Fonterra? In the same area there is a helicopter pad based, that operates 24/7. Makes a hell of a lot more noise in the middle of the night than Fonterra will ever make. Wakes up the locals with all its noise. Be interesting to see what the second generation district plan does about that.

  15. Calvin Oaten

    The Second Generation Plan is a beat up by the bureaucracy and is being rubber gloved by the Mayor and elected council. A trend I know, but with weak councillors and mayor what can one expect?

  16. Elizabeth

    The good thing about the 2GP hearings is the independent chair of the commissioners and his independent deputy – these guys are experienced and are no fools – in a good way.

  17. Rob Hamlin

    ‘Adminstratium’ – A science humour classic


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