South Dunedin mainstreet Hub : no direct relevance to distant Gasworks

as well as (pre-Election)

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DCC Webmap - South Dunedin Hub area incl gasworks museum JanFeb2013DCC Webmap – GREAT DISTANCE except by computer or Segway….
South Dunedin | from King Edward St (red) to Gasworks Museum (blue) via Lorne and Braemar Sts (green) – colour overlays by whatifdunedin.

█ DCC doesn’t need Athfield Architects to justify the LONG DURATION need and solution. No disrespect to colleague, the late Ian Athfield —or the current firm (love them heaps).

Give South Dunedin a community facility as was Promised YEARS AGO. Leave the goodie-two-shoes Gasworks Museum lobbyists out of it, or very much to the side. They mean well, but for too long they’ve been praying on the feckless DCC, soaking up Ratepayer dollars with little justification, and they keep wanting more.


How many people is this “out of control” Dunedin City Council wanting to Massage – BEFORE the October Local Body Elections.

The CULL Stench around this is SO DISGUSTING.

Dunedin City Council – Media Release
Drop-in sessions start of community conversation on South Dunedin’s future

This item was published on 22 Aug 2016

A series of drop-in information sessions hosted by the Dunedin City Council and Otago Regional Council early next month are the start of a community conversation around South Dunedin’s future. The sessions will be at the Dunedin Gasworks Museum on Thursday, 1 September and Friday, 2 September.

DCC chief executive Sue Bidrose will be presenting information about what happened in the 2015 flood, how the current stormwater system works, and how the DCC plans to invest and work with the community in the future.

Ms Bidrose said that it was important to plan carefully for South Dunedin’s changing environment. It was also important to take the time to involve the community in the decision making along the way, rather than to just do things on their behalf.

“Addressing the challenges of the future requires the DCC and ORC starting to have conversations with the community about the challenges, and the expectations and options for what can be achieved. The rest of Dunedin’s population needs to be involved as well. There is a great opportunity to turn some of the challenges into opportunities and give confidence for long-term investment in the area. These drop-in sessions are the beginning of the process. The DCC will be actively seeking local people’s thoughts on these issues and working with the ORC on what the long-term responses might be. I’m looking forward to seeing as many people as possible from the South Dunedin area at the sessions.” –Bidrose [employed by ????]

ORC director of stakeholder engagement Caroline Rowe said the drop-in sessions were part of a wider South Dunedin community engagement plan, aimed at developing a conversation with locals and groups about managing the risks associated with the changing environment. Ms Rowe said they follow the recent release of the ORC’s Natural Hazards of South Dunedin report. The [BULLSHIT ORC] technical report pulls together information and analysis gathered over the past seven years on natural hazards facing the area, particularly the increased likelihood of surface flooding associated with rising sea level. [FALSE AND MISLEADING BULLSHIT]

Presentations, with accompanying video, will be at each session and people will have an opportunity to talk individually to staff from both councils. The hour-long sessions will be repeated several times, with Thursday sessions starting at 10am, 11.30am, 1pm, 4.30pm and 7pm. The Friday sessions will start at 10am, 11.30am, and 1pm.

Ongoing engagement planned for the next few weeks also includes briefings for support service agencies and other specific interest groups such as the South Dunedin Business Association, the Otago Chamber of Commerce, and school and early childhood centres.

Contact Sue Bidrose, chief executive DCC on 03 477 4000.

DCC Link

█ Feedback on the proposal can be provided online on the council’s website at

The feedback period runs from Saturday, 20 August until 4pm on Monday, 29 August.


Mon, 22 Aug 2016
ODT: South D hub proposal unveiled
The Dunedin City Council is calling for feedback from residents on its preferred option for a library and community hub in South Dunedin before a report is presented to councillors next month. Council services and development general manager Simon Pickford and architect Jon Rennie, of Athfield Architects, presented the council’s preferred option to about 50 people at the Dunedin Gasworks Museum on Saturday morning. Under the $5.25 million proposal, a library would be built in the former BNZ building in King Edward St and the facility linked to the Gasworks Museum through Lorne St. Some facilities, such as a café, would be based at the museum. Mr Pickford said residents had until August 29 to provide feedback to the council on the proposal.

█ For more, enter the terms *south dunedin*, *flood*, *hazard*, *vandervis* (sane) and *cull* (VOTE Cull OUT) in the search box at right.

Posted by Elizabeth Kerr

Election Year. This post is offered in the public interest.


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40 responses to “South Dunedin mainstreet Hub : no direct relevance to distant Gasworks

  1. The advent of the “hub” just makes it look as if Mr Cull and the DCC are DOING something when they are not!

  2. Hype O'Thermia

    Hobbles, hub, hobbit hideout.

    South Dunedin has cafes already. They are owned and operated by non-DCC non-Council people. Is it fair for DCC to use rates money to set up a competitor in the “hub”?

    Hugger-mugger – disorder or confusion; muddle.
    Snafu – situation normal……….

    • Elizabeth

      Absolutely NOT. Agree, Hype. Just like Wall Street. Kill de street. Cull de sack. Oui Oui.

    • Simon

      Hype: Why shouldn’t the DCC use rates money to go in competition in South Dunedin. The council uses rates money to run 33 events centres around Dunedin, and if you want to hire one you have to use their caterers. None other than Compass. Now how is that for competition. Council have killed the catering trade in Dunedin with the use of rates money. So why stop there. South Dunedin here they come.

      • Elizabeth

        Simon and All
        Make submissions on the hub proposal and siting, as Dunedin ratepayers and residents.

      • Hype O'Thermia

        Do I detect some bitterness, Simon? A futile wish that DCC should stick to its core duties and stop chucking our money around like a drunken sailor? A hint that the best way to grow business in Dunedin is to stop competing with independent business while being dependent on rate money to make up for their poor judgement? Whaddarya, a reasonable human being? Sorry, looks like you’re in the wrong city :-(

  3. Elizabeth

    I see the ORC website states that the media release made by DCC (cited at the post top of thread) was IN FACT a joint ORC / DCC media statement. ORC are a bit more straight up:—2016/Drop-in-sessions-start-of-community-conversation-on-South-Dunedins-future/

    Both councils are OUT OF CONTROL – no wonder, given their operational heads and the ex-student-missy that ORC have made into an experienced natural hazards analyst, suddenly…. Ho Ho Ho

    [the Bulls, they are a scouring all over The People]

    Yes, inexplicable female junior-ness…. [filling a hole left by the resigned Michael Goldsmith, ORC Natural Hazards Manager, who was also not to be trusted on theories of so-called climate change] :

    ORC webpage:

    South Dunedin – a changing environment
    South Dunedin is an important part of Dunedin City. It’s a vibrant and diverse community that tens of thousands call home. For the past seven years Otago Regional Council has been collecting and analysing information on the natural hazard risk facing South Dunedin. This information includes the history of the landscape, the relationship between groundwater and land levels, sea level rise and other risks such as the likely impacts of erosion and earthquakes. It is an important starting place in the discussions about the future of South Dunedin and how we as a community respond and adapt to our changing environment.
    Read more + Videos

    ORC Dripping Green-Scours Document:
    The Natural Hazards of South Dunedin July 2016 (PDF)

  4. Hype O'Thermia

    Dripping Green-Scours
    All the sheep-dip in Arabia will not sweeten that metaphor!

  5. Elizabeth

    Received from Ray Macleod, Chair Greater South Dunedin
    Tuesday, 23 August 2016 7:55 p.m.

    Media Release
    Greater South Dunedin supports a hub that’s for the community

    – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –

    Following the public “conversation” opportunity to discuss the community hub proposals for South Dunedin organised by the City Council and held at the Gasworks Museum on 20 August the Greater South Dunedin group met on Monday to consider its response. The view was that a “pop up” facility should be established at the soonest possible date to support the community and as a proof of concept for this long overdue community service.

    GSD supports the hub proposal on the basis that the core services including the library, service centre and meeting rooms are on King Edward Street. The GSD group has no position on the exact location on King Edward Street but simply that the proposed hub’s primary purpose must be to support the community.

    It believes that the proposed hubs relationship to the Gasworks Museum is a secondary consideration to the operation of a viable and well located community hub. The Group is encouraging its members, the greater South Dunedin community and the wider public to submit on the proposals which can be done via the DCC website before the closing date for submissions of 4pm Monday 29 August.

    The GSD preferred submission is the that “the hub proposal is supported in principle provided the core functions of the library, service centre and meeting rooms are located on King Edward Street”.

    – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –

    Below are ways of providing feedback on the community hub ideas – make sure you scroll down to the feedback form.


  6. Gurglars

    Well Ray and the GSD have got to the nub of it pretty quickly.
    What group of lunatics would try to connect the gasworks near Andy Bay road with the heart of South Dunedin, King Edward street.

    • Duc, back down the alleyway

      A stroll through light industrial Lorne Street to get from hub to hub is ill advised.

    • Hype O'Thermia

      It’s a fair hike down there. Hillside Rd opposite entry to Pak’nSave has various buildings that seem to change occupancy often so IF there is nowhere suitable on the main street it would at least be close to other frequently used destination.

      • ‘Let them ride bikes’. – That way Chair of Infrastructure an’ whatever, can have her cake AND eat it.

        • Elizabeth

          BUT, Kleinefeldmaus – NO rates-funded café at Gasworks competing with King Edward St retailers and food providers.

          I try hard to avoid mentioning bikes given the Spokes zealots with their feelers into DCC – including Council prospective ‘cycleways’ Steve Walker who comes endorsed by the sainted Jinters. Boo.

    • Richard Stedman

      If you had spent a truckload of OPM (other people’s money) in the way of grant after grant you would be desperate to get some visitor action. So a good way would be to get your benefactors to spent more OPM and call your project part of the “hub”. Everyone else knows it is about as inaccessible as it could be. A hub and a library would be quite good without the BS.

  7. Hype O'Thermia

    There isn’t a building there that is to be adapted, is there?
    So if a new building has to be built aren’t there ancient shops on KE St that are as much in need of expensive work as the one whose front fell off? Would they be available at reasonable cost – not Fubar type negotiation where it’s announced in advance “We are determined to build HERE, name your price for your section!”. Reusing a sound existing building would be ideal IF it could be done at reasonable cost and made fit for purpose. I have quite a fondness for the big Arkrights building on the corner of Hillside road, no idea what condition it’s in, who owns it or whether they are interested in selling, though.

  8. Elizabeth

    When there’s expensive salaries at DCC and ORC to maintain, And a whole flat area of town floods because core infrastructure WAS NOT treated as THE most vital and immediate priority, then you get to spout BAD DATA AND ANALYSIS at the people you FAILED and IMPOVERISHED through your continuing loose talk and unthinking stupidity.


    ### Thu, 25 Aug 2016
    Councils join forces to help South Dunedin
    The city and regional councils are joining forces in an attempt to engage with South Dunedin. Their aim is to find out what residents want. A series of meetings are planned for next week, with senior staff from both councils on hand to share ideas.
    Ch39 Link

    Channel 39 Published on Aug 25, 2016
    Councils join forces to help South Dunedin

    • Elizabeth

      Sadly, the ORC/DCC presentation on hazards didn’t go so well at the Chamber of Commerce on Friday. And some bullying from one of the presenters. Not hot under fire in a public setting. But mostly though the audience was Apathetic. Is the Chamber nearly dead or what.

      What on earth will happen at the South Dunedin presentations ???
      I hope the presenters have fortitude or can borrow body armour.

      I think witch hunts have died but what with all the new technology…

  9. Gurglars


  10. Elizabeth

    Sun, 28 Aug 2016
    ODT: Electorate ‘among the best’
    Dunedin South electorate residents are ahead of the curve when it comes to enrolling to vote. With 96% of eligible residents successfully on the electoral roll, including an impressive 82.5% of 18-to-24-year-olds and 89% of 25-to-29-year-olds, the area is among the best in the country, Dunedin registrar of electors Dee Vickers says. “I’m very pleased with the response from South Dunedin to the call for enrolments – it is great to see them standing up this way,” Ms Vickers said. “They are brilliant.”

  11. Elizabeth

    Mon, 19 Sep 2016
    DCC votes on hub site today
    Dunedin City councillors will today vote on the preferred location for a $5.25 million library and community hub for South Dunedin. The vote today comes after the council and Athfield Architects presented the preferred option to South Dunedin residents last month.

    Under the preferred proposal, a library would be built in the former BNZ building in King Edward St and the facility linked to the neighbouring council car park on Rankeilor St and the Gasworks Museum through Lorne St.

    The link to the Gasworks Museum is pure bs.
    The gasworks is a DCC pet project and a multimillion-dollar sinkhole for rates funds, with no evident return on investment either now or in the future. In the same category as cycleways and removing central city car parks.

    Will Mark Kirkland, owner of the BNZ property, be happy with what DCC proposes. Hmm.

  12. Anonymous


    4 streets and 500m away to a facility that will soon be moribund.

  13. Elizabeth

    wtf has it got to do with staff ????? A 3-site hub wtf ?????
    Staff should not be leading this At All.

    The South Dunedin community (whose Opinions Matter) has barely had its say given consultation has been poor overall.

    Note no detailed plans will be on the council agenda until next year.

    ### Mon, 19 Sep 2016
    DCC debates South Dunedin hub
    City councillors are debating where to establish a community hub in South Dunedin. It’s been a long talked about initiative and today the council’s been split over whether to further delay decisions. But staff have a preferred option they want to see pursued.
    Ch39 Link

    Channel 39 Published on Sep 18, 2016

  14. Gurglars

    Strange, Cull de Mayor advocating managed retreat from South Dunedin, no monies for repairing stormwater drains in South Dunedin and ‘staff’ spending over $5million to pretty up and prop up the gasworks! If there is $5million spare, fix the drains, Even the goons got that right in 1955.

  15. Gurglars

    Substitute Gasworks for semi round furniture and South Dunedin for Finchley or Hackney.

  16. Gurglars

    With apologies to Mick Field who does these send ups much better and Peter Sellers, Spike Milligan and Neddy Seagoon (Harry Seccombe) the geniuses who wrote the original series.

    This is the BBC Home Service.

    [Falling bomb followed by explosion]

    And it used to be so popular. Well, here it is…

    The Goon Show.

    [Enthusiastic applause, cheering and whistling]

    Stop! [stops immediately] Ah-ha-ha. Mr. Greenslade? Do your duty, laddy.

    Well? What are you waiting for?

    Yes, but I…

    A Knighthood, position, riches – Money!

    You silly twisted boy, you. What are your qualifications?

    I was struck off the Rolls twice.

    Meanwhile an unsuspecting DCC is debating important affairs of state.


    Err, who’s, who’s responsible for the drains at Hackney? And, may I ask why…..they have not been taken up….in the last…..century?

    Here, here.

    They are, they were, taken up last December.



    Here, here.

    Isn’t it, isn’t it time…..they…..were taken up……….again?

    Well done!

    Impossible! They’ve not been put back again yet.

    [Above arguments] The fierce debate was at its height when past the speakers chair crept a dustbin, and with dramatic suddenness the lid was flung off!

    Honourable members! I have some important news concerning Drains. First of all…

    What is…

    Rubbish, get out, he’s Vandervis, he’s always right blast him,.


    He’s a Liberal!

    Speak up.

    Dear listeners, sit down while I tell you a tale. Within three weeks Fulton and Hogan have received $218,000 from the DCC to do nothing?

    [Scene-change music ended with harps]

    And now here’s the news. Today at the DCC questions were asked regarding the stuff up of the cycleway in South Dunedin late last night. There appears to be no valid reason why this strange operation was carried out. It is known to have cost the treasury well over 5 million dollars. As a result DCC rates will now be 90 cents in the dollar. New Scotland Yard are trying to trace a short pompous man who started a rumour about a non-existent disease called climate change. He is reported to have last been seen…

  17. Elizabeth

    Final decision on preferred site to be made by new council after further consultation with South Dunedin residents.

    Tue, 20 Sep 2016
    ODT: South D hub site caution
    Dunedin city councillors yesterday delayed a decision on a preferred location for the South Dunedin community hub amid concerns about a lack of consultation. However, the project moved one step closer to fruition as councillors voted to move ahead with plans to develop pop-up facilities and to negotiate with the owner of the former BNZ building in King Edward St, the hub site preferred by staff and Athfield Architects. Debate about the hub was at times combative, with councillors at first arguing whether the agenda item should be discussed at all.

  18. Elizabeth

    Fri, 23 Sep 2016
    ODT: Tenants complicate South D hub plan
    Developing a South Dunedin community hub in its preferred site in King Edward St could be a complex and possibly expensive business. One of the building’s tenants is expanding his existing business at the site, and the other has years left on their lease. The issue has been raised at election forums this week, candidates saying the former BNZ building – the preferred option for the hub – is already being used.

  19. Elizabeth

    Time DCC got off its multiple sorry backsides. Any excuse is a good one to delay and defer, or not communicate with your community, right ?

    Proposed hub expected to include library, cafe and meeting spaces for South Dunedin residents.

    Sun, 5 Mar 2017
    ODT: Lack of word on South D hub frustrating
    By Greta Yeoman – The Star
    A lack of information over the proposed South Dunedin Hub is causing confusion and frustration for many in South Dunedin. It has been proposed the hub, announced in August last year, should be located in the former BNZ building in King Edward St, leased by Humanimals and Dinkum Donuts.
    […] South Dunedin Business Association chairman Craig Waterhouse said he was frustrated that progress on the “pop-up” trial hub – meant to be operating by early 2017 – was delayed, because the council had not yet found a suitable location. […] Dunedin South MP Clare Curran said […] “There’s been no communication, that I know of, with the community.” Cont/


    David Slack: “Severe and cold critics of public spending ask: why do we need libraries when we have the internet? But a library is not just a collection of books. It’s a place to be, it’s a place where a shy kid can walk in and find a librarian who can open whole new worlds for them. You can’t replace it, you can’t find it at the mall, and you might use social media all day long, but you will never feel so much at home as you can in a room full of friends.”

  20. Lyndon Weggery

    Elizabeth – you will be pleased to know that South Dunedin Action Group (SDAG) has been checking up on progress behind the scenes about South Dunedin Hub. With the former BNZ site gone to the worthy gentlemen of Donkum Donites for at least 8 years in a 4+ 4 lease, Council staff are falling back investigating alternative sites with a need to keep an earthquake strengthened building in mind. A lot of SDAG members believe that the South City Mall fits most of their criteria and are encouraging Council Staff to meet with Clare Curran to be on the same page before approaching Foodstuffs. Present thinking from Council is to seek a 2 year tenure for a trial popup Hub and hopefully
    Foodstuffs will be open to this. Will keep you posted. By the way any view to link the Hub with the Gasworks is not popular with the local Community and stemmed from the Consulting Architects so is not being followed through thank goodness.

  21. Elizabeth

    At Facebook:

  22. Elizabeth

    Category: scarcely believable

    Sun, 16 Apr 2017
    ODT: Hub lease to be signed
    By Greta Yeoman – The Star
    A lease is set to be signed for the South Dunedin pop-up hub, Dunedin City Council arts and culture group manager Bernie Hawke says. Progress of the hub plans was announced during a community and culture committee council meeting on Tuesday, Mr Hawke said. While details of the location and owners of the temporary hub site could not be announced, he expected the details to be available in a matter of weeks, he said. A lease agreement would have to be signed before it was confirmed. Cont/

    █ Funding for development of a South Dunedin community hub and library allocated in DCC 2018-19 annual plan.

  23. Hype O'Thermia

    I thought pop-up meant something quickly arranged in an existing (informally occupied, currently un-leased & vacant, adapted?) space.
    So the apartment block with some 5 star hotel accommodation etc etc will be a pop-up too, in today’s language? It’ll be a hub too. Pop-up hub eyesore, it ticks all the boxes.

  24. Elizabeth

    This is DCC being dragged kicking and screaming to do anything for South Dunedin people. Gift them a hub. Shaft the value of their homes and properties by repeating a political non scientific forced mantra on climate change and Spurious rising water level shite. The buck stops at the dreadful DCC top desk. Which top desk you ask.

  25. Hype O'Thermia

    This CC and sea level crapola is reaching critical McTruth mass.

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