Ray Macleod, letter to editor

ODT 2.7.16 (page 30)

ODT 2.7.16 Letter to editor Macleod p30


Received from Lyndon Weggery
Tue, 21 June 2016 at 7:29 p.m.

Message: In the light of concerns last night [South Dunedin public meeting] about the effects of the Proposed 2GP on South Dunedin, suggest you extract the Hazard Zone portion and post it on What if?

South Dunedin Hazard Zone (PDF, 2 MB)

The following report by Anna Johnson shows that very little was done [public consultation] in 2014. In fact only 17 people turned up to the DCC workshop in South Dunedin and their Appendices show that less than 10 people commented on their draft natural hazard policy.

Preferred Options Report (1) (PDF, 2 MB)

Related Posts and Comments:
● 28.6.16 The Star and RNZ on raised flood levels #SouthDunedin
● 27.6.16 CULL commingled #AGWbullsfeatherartists
● 23.6.16 Sa pièce de résistance @ #DUD
● 21.6.16 Mayoral Statement to South Dunedin
● 20.6.16 Public Meeting: South Dunedin Action Group #tonight
18.6.16 South Dunedin stormwater pipes —getting past the desktop ICMP
● 17.6.16 So we’re going to play it this way #SouthDunedinFlood
● 16.6.16 Public Meeting: South Dunedin Action Group #AllWelcome
● 6.6.16 Listener June 11-17 2016 : Revisiting distress and mismanagement
6.5.16 South Dunedin Action Group: Notes of meeting with DCC (3 May 2016)
14.4.16 South Dunedin flood risk boosters #ClimateChangeCrap #PissOffPCE
26.2.16 Mudtanks and drains + Notice of Public Meeting #SouthDunedinFlood
● 31.12.15 2016, have mercy !@$#%^&*
10.4.15 DCC: Natural Hazards

*Bullet points indicate comments entered after the public meeting 20 June.

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19 responses to “Ray Macleod, letter to editor

  1. Gurglars

    On Radio New Zealand on Sunday morning, Wallace Chapman was discussing Brexit. During the conversation it was mentioned that Maggie Thatcher and her cabinet after decimating industrial cities was considering managing exit from at least Liverpool and also Birmingham I think.

    What these purveyors of doom had failed to realise is that man, like the planet can recover, come out of the sea like a porpoise, explode like a volcano – just as long as politicians and bureaucrats KEEP OUT OF THE WAY.

    {Link added. -Eds}

  2. Elizabeth

    The bureaucrats are right in it, however.
    Gurglars, this news item in the weekend newspaper is PROOF
    The item was raised on another thread but I decided to look into this one more roundly because…… see following.
    (btw I don’t think I’ve ever come across an uninhabitable house, people can be creative about what their shelter is, and in what state…. ask your local squatters)

    Proposal to remove house, identified by Heritage New Zealand as having been built between 1891 and 1895, and build two single-storey townhouses in its place.

    Sat, 2 Jul 2016
    ODT: Builder ‘bitter’ over council’s opposition
    Plans to raze an uninhabitable flood-damaged Forbury house and build two homes in its place have been dealt a blow after being opposed by a Dunedin City Council planner. The resource consent application for the proposed development at 38 Richmond St will be heard later this month by committee chairman Cr Andrew Noone, Cr Lee Vandervis and commissioner Colin Weatherall. [….] The Otago Regional Council is opposed to the proposal as the site is at risk of flooding and liquefaction and more intensive housing would put a greater number of people at risk.

    Notified Resource Consent Application


    Commentators from the building industry, with nationally recognised expertise in property valuation, investment and development, say the Councils’ resource management planning response is strong evidence that Dunedin City Council has begun strategic withdrawal (‘managed retreat’) from South Dunedin —through City Planners placing greater weight on the objectives, policy and rules of the Proposed 2GP (second generation district plan), a plan not yet ratified in law, than the operative Dunedin City District Plan.

    Why would they say this?

    [Note: The public hearings before commissioners, for the proposed Dunedin hazard zones will not be conducted until 2017.]

    The test:
    Five years ago, next door at 36 Richmond St, Dunedin City Council granted resource consent for construction of two residential units – this approval referenced the operational Dunedin City District Plan; not the 2GP. Note also, the property has two vehicle crossings.

    Interesting: 40 Richmond St is the property owned by Dunedin City Council, with three residential units.

    More than a test, this looks like a TEST CASE, in terms of City Planning, the intent of the 2GP to push strategic withdrawal, and the RMA itself —but also in regards to the fine words of Mayor Cull and the council chief executive at the public meeting held at South Dunedin on 20 June 2016, where they in word and deed (the Mayor was still in China) assured all present that the Council had NO PLANS for strategic withdrawal from South Dunedin. NO PLANS.

    [no plans…. sssshhhhhh…. just a department OF PLANNING…. that produced the Proposed 2GP, no doubt in girly climate change confab with Jinters; to be shoved through public consultation “as written” by Commissioner Benson-Pope (?), to the letter, with no re-set or recalibration by public interference]

    38 Richmond St demonstrates to the contrary.

    A laying waste by unfettered council politics —Not good environmental law, fairness or natural justice.

    The property owner at 38 Richmond would be well within his rights to sue the pants off. For this he would probably receive help.

    [more soon]

    Oh. Then there’s the matter of ORC’s (desktop?) hazard maps which in themselves are disputable. DCC though, having ‘taken in’ the hazard maps is duly responsible for all developmental plans and overlays that we see in the Proposed 2GP.

  3. Elizabeth

    Paul Pope at Facebook 4.7.16

    Paul Pope at Facebook 4.7.16 - 38 Richardson St, South Dunedin [screenshot by whatifdunedin – click to view]

  4. Hype O'Thermia

    PP has attracted the attention of a very snappy chihuahua.

  5. Elizabeth

    Go to Paul Pope’s Facebook page to see the debate about South Dunedin’s 38 Richmond St and the 2GP. Good to see a hardworking member of the public, one with considerable with kudos and popular appeal across the city, speaking out rationally.

  6. Hype O'Thermia

    Hardworking, rational and observably well-informed – that’s no way to be popular in certain circles, particularly Octagonal circles.

    • Elizabeth

      Aye. I imagine the facts of South Dunedin people and place and will vastly outweigh the green fudgers’ patronising attitudes and ‘joke-superior’ knowledge of planning and planning law. Some of the main political protagonists at DCC have no proven expertise or accreditation in resource management law. They got a job as a local body politician because they had an ego, a sense of ridiculous superiority such to loathe doing dishes at home. Now they want to shove citizens around and put them on the scrap heap – impoverishing those souls as well as sending the DCC bankrupt. It’s really hard to make fair and equitable payouts to those you think should live elsewhere… while council has a consolidated debt of +$600M, only 53,000 aging ratepayers and no ability At All to repay a debt of new housing even if supplied by Central Government.

      No maths learning either at DCC, we note. Perhaps more time spent in the drafting race, counting sheep ?

      • Hype O'Thermia

        First there was the lady who sold her flood damaged house at considerably less than it would have been worth pre-flood because she couldn’t cope with it. Eight inches of flood water! Flood water would have been that amount lower had the DCC and Council stuck to core responsibilities.
        Then the builder who bought it with every reasonable expectation that he could build upon that section the same type of structure as neighbouring ones – no, suddenly there are too many dire and imminent risks, including liquefaction, and indeed it’s true, in a couple of hundred years there will be very little of today’s housing still in existence. If quakes don’t get’em flood or fire or fashion or borer or a GM concrete-munching super-aphid will see them gone, so why not let planners have pre-emptive strike rights?

        Where there’s a will (to dispossess the S Dunedin community) there’s a way.

        • Elizabeth

          Hype, now that you put it like that.

          Might have to think up a “dispossession” post this week sometime. Something to stick pins in. For the greater good and South Dunedin Permanence.

        • Hype O'Thermia

          Could phrase it something like those road toll counts every holiday, first victim, second victim….
          I’m intrigued by that 8 inch figure. How many of those affected had 8inches or less of flood water in their houses? They’re direct victims of DCC ineptitude, surely.

      • Gurglars

        “no maths knowledge either”.

        Sue Bidrose in her essay to the South Dunedin meeting admitted that no one in the DCC had any knowledge of climate change. I thought that an extraordinary statement. The whole mantra of the DCC is based around the unproven if not debunked theory of anthropogenic climate change and she admits no collective or individual knowledge???

        One wonders with no knowledge of maths, no knowledge of law, no knowledge of climate change, just what knowledge are we paying in excess of $350,000 in one case and many cases of $100,000+ for?

        I know they are expert in employing more people with no knowledge, advertising more jobs, and obfuscation, but do they need such huge salaries to be stoppers?

        A comparison would be a Gib Stopper, what would he/she be paid, A stop/go person, A traffic light remuneration, A police officer on duty at a crossing.

        By these comparisons we should be able to get a valuable piece of knowledge on stopper pay rates.

  7. Elizabeth

    ODT 5.7.16 (page 6)

    ODT 5.7.16 Letters to editor Whiley Vandervis Crick p6 (1)

  8. Elizabeth

    Wed, 6 Jul 2016
    ODT: Dunedin tradies ‘flat out’ since floods
    Dunedin tradesmen have been given a boost by millions of dollars in insurance money which has flowed into the city since last June’s floods. The Insurance Council estimated last year it would pay out $28 million as a result of the floods, and much of that money has flowed into the hands of local tradesmen. Tradesmen spoken to by the Otago Daily Times said they had been kept busy since flood work had dried up, with one saying they were now experiencing a “bit of a building boom”.

  9. Elizabeth

    How much Cull is costing South Dunedin renters and ratepayers with his despicable foul-mouthed campaign that idolises the PCE, while he conveniently tries to move the NZ public gaze away from DCC liability for the tens of millions of dollars of property damage caused to the private property holders of South Dunedin when DCC Infrastructure Network services UTTERLY FAILED in the June 2015 floods.

    Received from the North.
    Fri, 15 Jul 2016 at 6:52 p.m.

    Subject: South Dunedin

    Maybe the PCE is starting to wake up to Cull’s fairystory about climate change as the cause of the June 2015 floods…. hints of.

    ### interest.co.nz July 15, 2016 at 02:30 p.m.
    Environment Commissioner warns getting insurance will become harder as sea levels rise and insurers take cover
    By Jenée Tibshraeny
    ….[The PCE says] “I think it is inevitable people will ask for compensation from both local and central government as this starts to creep up.” She references the 5000 South Dunedin homeowners who have recently suffered flood damage, largely due to the town’s drainage system not being property maintained.
    …. [The website says] We welcome your help to improve our coverage of this issue. Any examples or experiences to relate? Any links to other news, data or research to shed more light on this? Any insight or views on what might happen next or what should happen next? Any errors to correct?
    Read full article here.

    • Hype O'Thermia

      What’s this? Not taking the Word Of Dave as the dinkum oil? Asking for other input? Looks like the PCE has had a swift kick to the Reality Centre of the Bum.

    • Elizabeth

      With friends like ODT’s Chris Morris who needs enemies. As for Tim Grafton, he can go to hell. Who cares about subsidence so miniscule so gradual, huh? All we need is a sound St Clair Seawall with efficient coastal defences from there to past Ocean Beach.

      There is NO RISING GROUNDWATER problem at South Dunedin – the data shows this.
      Claims that groundwater is rising is part of the convenient myth put about by DCC to get round its several liability for multimillion-dollar damage to private property in the June 2015 floods —all caused by DCC failure to manage stormwater infrastructure for South Dunedin (no other reason).

      Sat, 16 Jul 2016
      ODT: Rising sea levels may force up premiums
      Insurance premiums could creep up in South Dunedin along with rising sea levels, the Insurance Council of New Zealand says. Council chief executive Tim Grafton made the prediction in response to new data, released by GNS Science, which suggested parts of South Dunedin could be sinking. The potential subsidence – of up to 5mm in places – adds to existing concerns about sea-level rise, rising groundwater and flooding in the low-lying suburb.

      Sat, 16 Jul 2016
      ODT: Fears South Dunedin also sinking
      The threat posed by sea-level rise in South Dunedin may be worse than thought, as new data suggests parts of the low-lying suburb could be sinking. Preliminary results from GNS Science and the University of Otago’s School of Surveying pointed to potential subsidence in South Dunedin and other parts of the city.

  10. Gurglars

    Not the commissioner!

    In the old days such ideas would have sent you straight to Seacliff!

    The only new capital expenditure I would condone is the rehabilitation of such facilities for the incarceration of such obviously insane publicly appointed officials.

  11. Elizabeth

    Sat, 16 Jul 2016
    ODT: ‘Stripping out services in South Dunedin’
    Dunedin city councillor and mayoral hopeful Andrew Whiley has slammed the Otago Regional Council’s proposed changes to bus routes, claiming they are another example of organisations “stripping out South Dunedin”. The proposed changes include a reduction in the number of direct services to Cargills Corner, with the Ocean Grove service now bypassing King Edward St altogether and instead travelling along Andersons Bay Rd to the one-way system north….

    The changes would have a negative effect on businesses in South Dunedin and create an inconvenience for residents who would have to change services during their trips, he said. “We are stripping out services in South Dunedin and when you look at the community in South Dunedin, they don’t have high car ownership – it’s a community that relies on a bus service. There’s a lot of low-income families in these areas and we are taking a bus service away from them.”

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    • Hype O'Thermia

      The idea that people can change buses without extra charge if the new route doesn’t take them where they need to go is quite good, up to a point. Will there be a long wait for the second bus? Or will it leave just before the first one gets there, so they’ll have to catch an earlier bus to get to the 2nd bus to get to the same destination? And will there be somewhere comfortable to wait between bus rides, instead of sitting in one bus all the way?

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