Dunedin [video animation removed]

Updated post Thu, 24 Mar 2016 at 12:26 p.m. | Last updated at 8:19 p.m.

SITE NOTICE

The video animation by Douglas Field published at YouTube on 20 Mar 2016, entitled ‘The witless witch-hunt’, has been removed from this post where it was embedded; due to a complaint received from Dunedin City Council [voicemail received 10:19 a.m.; message cleared 12:07 p.m.].

The part text (after the break) was supplied by Mr Field to accompany the animation. The video can be viewed at the Douglas Field channel on YouTube (enter video title in the YT search box).

Reasonably, fairly, the text and video may be regarded as democratic political thought and free expression, a public commentary concerning well-documented events from world history. The text and video are not deemed to be upsetting or offensive to any local party.

Although some associated Comments at this thread have been moderated or removed as a caution and protection to the site owner, any attempts to unfairly ‘influence’, harass or threaten the site owner and contributors to What if? Dunedin will not be tolerated.

[Douglas Field]

The Spectator
The slow death of free speech
How the Left, here and abroad, is trying to shut down debate — from Islam and Israel to global warming and gay marriage
Mark Steyn 19 April 2014

The examples above are ever-shrinking Dantean circles of Tolerance:
At Galway, the dissenting opinion was silenced by grunting thugs screaming four-letter words. At Mozilla, the chairwoman is far more housetrained: she issued a nice press release all about (per Miss Alcorn) striking a balance between freedom of speech and ‘equality’, and how the best way to ‘support’ a ‘culture’ of ‘diversity’ and ‘inclusiveness’ is by firing anyone who dissents from the mandatory groupthink. At the House of Commons they’re moving to the next stage: in an ‘inclusive culture’ ever more comfortable with narrower bounds of public discourse, it seems entirely natural that the next step should be for dissenting voices to require state permission to speak.

Douglas Field's room with Easter Egg [liveinternet.ru]

[public domain]

Mon, 21 Dec 2015
ODT: Contract fraud call at DCC
Dunedin city councillor Lee Vandervis’ actions will form part of a fresh fraud investigation inside the Dunedin City Council, after he claimed to have paid a backhander to secure a council contract. […] The move came after Cr Vandervis, speaking at last Monday’s full council meeting, sparked a furious exchange after claiming he had given “personal evidence” of his backhander to Mayor Dave Cull.


Vandervis statement around the 1.25 mark

Posted by Elizabeth Kerr

*Image: Douglas Field’s room with Easter Egg [liveinternet.ru] tweaked by whatifdunedin

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24 responses to “Dunedin [video animation removed]

  1. Gurglars

    A picture tells a thousand words!

    Worse than children squabbling in a sandpit that lot.

    Mud dling whilst South Dunedin floods.

    • Hype O'Thermia

      Noted – this is on youtube, which means pressure can be exerted to get it removed from this site but that won’t make it go away, oh dear no!

      • Elizabeth

        Yep the public can simply watch the DCC’s YouTube channel and view the whole of meetings footage (public record).

        Moderated. -Eds

        • Elizabeth

          A strong views night at the What if? Home Page.

          Moderated. -Eds

        • Diane Yeldon

          Yes, DCC meeting videos are very useful public records. Extremely good and transparent move for the DCC to make them available and get them out now within days of the meeting. But I think there needs to be clearer markers of the exact time of whenever the meeting is adjourned, including the reason for the adjournment. So you don’t get these peculiar discontinuities in the videos.

        • Diane Yeldon

          Here is excerpt from the CONFIRMED minutes of that meeting:

          The Mayor adjourned the meeting from 3.40 pm to 3.45 pm to allow Councillors time to read the proposed resolutions. Councillor Vandervis advised during the adjournment that he had received legal advice that he should leave the meeting, which he did at 3.45 pm.
          http://www.dunedin.govt.nz/__data/assets/pdf_file/0007/499705/ma_council_m_2015_04_28.pdf

          So (since I am in the business – or, at least, the pastime – of council scrutiny), I notice a number of anomalies. First, the Mayor adjourned the meeting for the purpose of allowing councillors to continue with the business of the meeting. This is extremely odd, as reading resolutions before they are discussed or voted on is part of the normal business of any council meeting – and takes place DURING the meeting. So why on earth adjourn it for this reason?

          Next, Cr Vandervis ‘advised’ ….who exactly? Presumably ‘the meeting’, through the chair, ‘that he had received legal advice that he should leave the meeting’. So, according to the minutes, he took part in the meeting while the meeting was adjourned. And this ‘advising’, which took place when the meeting was adjourned, was recorded in the minutes. But an adjournment is NOT part of the meeting (which is why it is omitted from the video) and so anything which occurs during the adjournment should NOT be recorded in the minutes.

          Then the EXACT MINUTE the meeting was re-convened at 3.45 pm, Cr Vandervis (according to the minutes) left the meeting. Remarkable synchronization of events here. And yet the meeting video does NOT show EITHER Mayor Cull re-convening the meeting (at which point the video should have re-started) OR Cr Vandervis leaving.

          The whole thing is VERY ODD, considering that minutes are supposed to be a ‘true and correct record’.

          Moderated. -Eds

  2. Peter

    Censorship is a symptom of dis…ease. It’s effectiveness can only last so long before the administration imposing it, unravels.
    It is also a sign of control freaks who believe in their own talk and become oblivious to the realities of the world around them.
    It is not just a left wing thing as claimed by this Mark Steyn. Both sides do it.

  3. Diane Yeldon

    This council meeting took place on 28th April 2015. Have a look at 2 hours 14 minutes 26 seconds into the video, where Cr Vandervis ‘disappears’!

  4. Rob Hamlin

    The most dangerous censorship is the one that you don’t see. A good example is a comparison between McPravda and other reputable newspapers in the way that they handle posted comments on their websites. I will use the Guardian as a representative counter-example. See here for an example thread – scroll down to the comments:

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/mar/22/being-jewish-in-baghdad-iraq-coming-to-america

    If you submit a comment to McPravda that they do not like, as I did last week on the subject of the undesirability of deliberately firing golf balls directly at people in public spaces, then they simply do not post it. No reply to you, no acknowledgment on the thread – It never happened.

    As one can see from the above example, the Guardian may choose not to post a comment, but they will post a note on the website thread that it was submitted. They also give a link to specific information as to how they decide not to post comments. It appears that only a minority of comments are not posted on these Guardian threads, and they are not posted for specified reasons. As for Mc.P. – Well, who would know how many vanish into the ether, and why they do so?

    Both the Mc.P. and Guardian methods likely give a skewed sample of comment, but the Mc.P. version gives no evidence of extent or nature of this skewing by omission. If a large proportion of comments are not posted for editorial reasons that are neither standardised nor publicly specified, then this creates a potentially serious issue of accurate representation of opinion within our community.

    • Hype O'Thermia

      Rob, this is where Facebook can be useful, a page called eg Otago’s Daily Uncommented Times could be set up, seeing so many people use Facebook for regular – compulsive – checking of what’s new.
      Other regulars here have posted their abridged or unaccepted comments here when they are of relevance to topics discussed here.
      Local censorship is a yesterday thing.

      • Elizabeth

        But who wants to be data mined by Facebook. Oh right. Every sucker on Earth just about.

        • Hype O'Thermia

          Don’t use “real” data! New email & name, age etc for the purpose. Post “this comment by my cousin was rejected…….”

        • Elizabeth

          Facebook is facile and repugnant most days. Using the schema of false identities is even less open, transparent or accountable. Is that progress for democracy, probably not.

        • Hype O'Thermia

          Facebook takes naff about as far as possible on this planet BUT it can be useful. There are some interesting sites sharing people’s memories of Dunedin in past decades, and it was facebook that had the discussion group [page name removed], a couple of elections ago.
          As for false identities, I support the view that a person’s contribution is worth as much as it says. When an emeritus professor spouts nonsense in his or her real name, it’s still nonsense. If DIY_Tattoo’d Oik posts solid sense it’s solid sense.
          Any big biz that harvests personal details for profit or worse should be resisted. The power imbalance is huge, the individual has few fight-backs. Don’t participate is one, but when this includes not participating in useful info sharing and community action that’s a high price, giving the big biz even more leverage – use us and knuckle under, or stay out of a loop that is important to you.

          Moderated. -Eds

        • Elizabeth

          Well argued, Hype O’Thermia :)

  5. Hype O'Thermia

    The funny-sad thing is that Cr Vandervis, while impatient and angry about the waste, delays and folly that leap out at a person whose motivation is seeing the city doing well for the benefit of all who live and work here, he has minimal interest in the personality crap that takes up the energies of others.

    Moderated. -Eds

  6. Elizabeth

    Search engine term featuring today (via site stats):

    *alternatives to dcc*

  7. Elizabeth

    ODT 23.3.16 (page 14)

    2016-03-23 17.45.38

  8. Elizabeth

    The Post at top of thread and associated Comments have been subject to intervention. The Dunedin City Council requested the video by Douglas Field be taken down. So it has been, accompanied by moderation of comments, and in a few cases the removal of comments.

    What remains published at this thread is in the order of free expression, generalised. I hope.

    I have emailed DCC stating:

    “Following your voicemail cleared around midday today I have removed the video animation which sparked comments and have replaced it with a site notice; I have also moderated comments, accordingly. The changes were effected as soon as I was able to access my desktop computer.

    You may wish to check the post as it now stands:

    Dunedin [video animation removed]

    I would be comfortable making further editorial changes at your suggestion should you feel discussion should be of a more general nature and, in your view, that has not yet been achieved.

    I have copied in Mr Field – the video is his own creative work, as was offered to the What if? Dunedin website, originally.”

  9. Hype O'Thermia

    Is the video still available on Youtube?

  10. Calvin Oaten

    The Dunedin City Council requested the video by Douglas Field be taken down. The Dunedin City Council being a faceless entity, would it not be pertinent to ask who, specifically made that request? Would it not be a reasonable expectation that a body constituted to act in the interests of the citizens stand or fall on their actions, being lampooned as going with the territory? If, as the saying goes, “you can’t stand the heat then get out of the kitchen.”

    • Elizabeth

      I have used the generic label in order to be fair and reasonable in the circumstances.

      Let’s enjoy Easter. With no more frights, quakes or other disturbance.

  11. Gurglars

    If you lie it raises our ire
    Our comments are ignored
    Consequently we rely on satire
    We see your stories as a [rhymes w ignored],

    Due to our constant protestation
    We suggest you place upon a pyre
    The poor decisions made before the. Nation
    Please DCC take us out of the mire
    And ensure that truth and actions bear some relation.

    Moderated. -Eds aka Easter Bunny / because ejk has left the Country

  12. Elizabeth

    Updated post. The gift.
    via (the) -Eds

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