Jafas, come hither…. it’s alright here if warped

Douglas Field Published on Jan 7, 2016
Climate Change Panic 8 1 16
‘Green’ Mayor Cull panics over floods in Dunedin and blames ‘climate change’ and sea level rise as the cause. Promptly debunked by local climatologist and hydrologist as absurd.

Commenting at ODT Online
macfod, unduly negative and downcast —not a local economist like John Christie (Enterprise Dunedin), or a Terence Davies (DVML) – who place reliance on bought multipliers to talk up sweet virtue and powers of attraction.
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Dave Cull couldn’t sell toffee
Submitted by macfod on Fri, 08/01/2016 – 7:33am.

Oh my god, what a big draw it would be saying that we have places such as ..

Cadburys – a factory! Farmers Market and bacon butties – a joke! Museum – visit it once only. St Clair beach – it’s eroding and DCC are doing nothing about it.

What [they] are promoting [is] where they have spent money . . . stadium – unused cycle lanes. I love Dunedin but get so frustrated that we are not growing and not attracting jobs..

Aucklanders are already buying our property, but as investments as the rental returns at approx 8% make it good business.
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New Zealand Herald: Dunners in drive for Jafas to roll down to Deep South

jaffa-race Dunedin Cadbury Chocolate Festival [dunedinnz.com]

Jafa is a slang term (usually pejorative) for a resident of Auckland, New Zealand. It is the acronym for Just Another Fucking Aucklander. The term is also misspelled as Jaffa, a chocolate confection from Dunedin.

Posted by Elizabeth Kerr

*Image: dunedinnz.com – Jaffa Race, Baldwin Street

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36 responses to “Jafas, come hither…. it’s alright here if warped

  1. Elizabeth

    If Dunedin was another destination….

    AndreaBocelliVEVO Published on Oct 13, 2015
    Andrea Bocelli, Ariana Grande – E Più Ti Penso
    Presenting E Più Ti Penso, Andrea’s spellbinding duet with Ariana Grande, from his new album Cinema. Bocelli gives his unique voice to some of the best loved music from the movies ever composed. Released on October 23rd the album features themes from Doctor Zhivago, The Godfather, Gladiator, Breakfast at Tiffany’s and many more, as well as popular songs from stage musicals, immortalised by their film versions, such as west side story and Evita.

    “E Più Ti Penso” (“And more I think of you”) also called, “E più ti penso (from Once Upon a Time in America)” is an Italian song written by Ennio Morricone (music) and Mogol, Tony Renis (lyrics), from the movie Once Upon a Time in America. The song was released on 1 October 2015, served as the lead single from Bocelli’s 2015 album, Cinema. Wikipedia

    Video: Shot in two different countries, the part of Andrea was filmed at Saint Angelo Castle in Rome, Italy and the part of Ariana on a rooftop overlooking the ancient temple of Sensō-ji in Tokyo, Japan.

    █ Lyrics: Italian | English translation

    The more I think of you, the more I miss you
    I see you with my tired eyes

    Andrea Bocelli, OMRI, OMDSM (Italian pronunciation: [anˈdrɛːa boˈtʃɛlli]; born 22 September 1958) is an Italian classical tenor, recording artist and singer-songwriter. Born with poor eyesight, he became permanently blind at the age of 12 following a football accident. Bocelli has recorded fourteen solo studio albums, of both pop and classical music, three greatest hits albums, and nine complete operas, selling over 150 million records worldwide. He has had success as a crossover performer bringing classical music to the top of international pop charts. Bocelli was made a Grand Officer of the Order of Merit of the Italian Republic in 2006 and, on 2 March 2010, was honoured with a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame for his contribution to Live Theater. Wikipedia

    Ariana Grande-Butera (born June 26, 1993), known professionally as Ariana Grande (/ˌɑriːˈɑːnə ˈɡrɑːndeɪ/), is an American singer and actress. She began her career in the Broadway musical 13, before landing the role of Cat Valentine on the Nickelodeon television series Victorious in 2009. After four seasons, the show ended, and Grande starred on the spinoff, Sam & Cat, which ended in 2014. She has also appeared in other theatre, television and film roles and lent her voice to animated television and films. Grande is of Italian descent, half Sicilian and half Abruzzese. Grande’s accolades include two American Music Awards, Music Business Association’s Breakthrough Artist of the Year, an MTV Video Music Award, an MTV Europe Music Award and two Grammy Award nominations. Wikipedia

  2. Callum

    I wonder where all the jobs are to cater for the Jafas who are planning to roll down from the North Island to live in Dunedin?

    I totally agree with the above comment as I am someone who loves Dunedin, but it is disappointing when the city doesn’t offer a variety of jobs. I would rather live in Dunedin as a city that has many job openings.

    I also wonder what market of Aucklanders he is trying to aim at attracting to live in Dunedin? Because Aucklanders come in variety (like you have the hipsters, yuppies, beach bums, bogans, and fobs), as one person mentioned in the comment section of that news article you posted.

    • Hype O'Thermia

      People are so different, so varied in their priorities, I don’t think there’s much point in targeting one type. Just tell everyone what Dunedin offers and let them make up their own minds. Beach bums who can’t afford to live near an Auckland beach and have to work long hours to afford to house and transport themselves may decide it’s worth a serious look at the beaches and housing here, and whether they could have what makes life great for them, with shorter or lower paid hours and less travelling. If a person’s career is what matters most to them and there is no opportunity to progress in it here, well, Dunedin isn’t the right place for them. Priorities change, pursuing one goal but missing out on many other aspects of life may eventually seem like too much sacrifice, too little balance. People go from “careers” to the lesser status of mere jobs, because other things become possible. I don’t think Dunedin people should fret too much because Dunedin is not like Auckland. Sure there are more jobs, more career opportunities in Auckland. There are also a hell of a lot more people chasing each job, and a lot of people working in jobs that are not satisfying, not well paid, with next to no opportunities for advancement – not the careers they would like, but you’ve got to keep a roof over your head and put food on the table, haven’t you? Perhaps that dream job will come up… and after years of no breaks the dream isn’t enough. Time for a change: Dunedin?

      • Diane Yeldon

        Dunedin is a sensible place for older Aucklanders to retire to. They can buy a very nice piece of land here and also maybe a rental property or two for the price of their Auckland home. Or pay off their mortgage. Or buy a piece of rural land very close to the city so they can amuse themselves with a small ‘hobby farm’ but with all the conveniences of city life. And they would not have to endure Auckland’s traffic nightmare. And they would have a good base in Dunedin from which to experience the many tourist attractions of the lower South Island.

        • Callum

          Totally agree! And Dunedin also has a growing elderly population (the reason why schools are being merged or closed). People who haven’t lived in Dunedin before tend to think there’s a more young population down there because of uni, but in reality that’s what the media shows of Dunedin, the young people. I suppose Dunedin will be great for those retirees wanting a slow pace of life.

        • Hype O'Thermia

          Callum, the “pace of life” slows automatically when you take out 80% of travelling time. There are so many more usable hours in a week, for doing other more rewarding activities, including simply sitting around reading, listening to movies, and hanging out with friends.

    • Diane Yeldon

      People looking for a retirement lifestyle bring their money (life savings) with them and then spend it here, stimulating the local economy.

      • Elizabeth

        ### NZ Herald Online 11:55 AM Monday Jan 11, 2016
        Building consents up on retirement village boom
        New Zealand residential building consents rose 1.8 percent in November, with demand for retirement village units driving approvals in the month.
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  3. Elizabeth

    St Clair
    JimmyJones’ comments at ODT Online, to make climate change deniers happy happy calm. Dave Cull please understand !!

    St Clair sea wall 4.1.16

    Dunedin uprising 4.1.16

    Dunedin Sea Level Rise 8.1.16

    ODT Online editor has now closed the thread 9.1.16

  4. Gurglars

    When are we going to learn!

    Dunedin is on a DCC spend to attract potential movers from Dorkland.

    But Wellington city council is on a WCC spend to attract visitors to of all places Wellington!


    How much do councils have to mimic each other’s activities before we get the idea that all of this spending is just latent theft.

    • Elizabeth

      Each of these councils is in electioneering mode – the theft-spend is probably the least of their thoughts. Makes it doubly worse, their constituents’ money payable as election bribes for the sheep to keep them in as ‘progressives’. Sux.

  5. Elizabeth

    More on the steepest street….. oh, topical

    ### Stuff.co.nz
    Ups and downs of living on world’s steepest street video
    Dunedin’s Baldwin St: The world’s steepest street
    By Hamish McNeilly/Stuff.co.nz
    Hugo Hyndman has lived at the top of the world’s steepest street all his life. “It is always interesting,” the 20-year-old said. While Baldwin St was a major Dunedin drawcard for photo-snapping visitors, that influx often presented a challenge for residents. […] Australian couple Sue and John Marshall had lived on Baldwin St for two years and set up a small shop, Steep Street Delights, selling drinks, gourmet ice cream and ice blocks to passing tourists.
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  6. Elizabeth

    Comments at ODT Online:

    Dunedin growth?
    Submitted by Duke of Ban Phai on Sun, 10/01/2016 – 12:15am.
    Of course, the logic is this: as Dunedin ‘grows’ it will become increasingly like a less desirable Auckland which people are now being invited to vacate and move to the less populated (and cluttered) environment. Here we are once again – serving up the tragedy of the commons.


    ‘Migrants flock to Otago’
    Submitted by diamantina on Sat, 09/01/2016 – 12:59pm.
    Didn’t the ODT just report that “Migrants flock to Otago region, ” with 590 new migrants moving to Dunedin from December 2014 to November 2015?
    So why should the city spend money to recruit Aucklanders? Maybe current Dunedin residents should have been invited to offer their opinions beforehand.
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    Overexposed time lapse
    Submitted by Orson not Welles on Sat, 09/01/2016 – 2:58pm.
    There are fifty people standing on a Beach. Just an ordinary beach. They are watching penguins. Suddenly..whoosh bang! Bellows camera! Ilford film! There are 1950 others! Next week: ‘Just an ordinary hotel’.


    Killing the fatted penguin….

    Protecting wildlife
    Submitted by diamantina on Sat, 09/01/2016 – 12:35pm.
    This is a valid concern. I visited Moeraki’s Katiki Pt. Lighthouse a few weeks ago and there were at least 100 people wandering through the reserve, including small children who were clambering under the bushes to try and get a closer look at penguins.
    Tourists were lined up along the fence, with camera lens poking through the fence. As the ODT reported weeks ago, this has detrimentally affected breeding at this site. There were no DOC volunteers monitoring the behaviour of the many spectators/visitors at Katiki Pt.; it was pretty much a free-for-all.
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  7. Diane Yeldon

    Killing the fatted penguin indeed. If too many tourists come to Dunedin and its surrounds, all they will see is other tourists. But how many is too many and how do you stop them?

    • Peter

      We only have to look at Queenstown to see how a place can be inundated by unsympathetic tourism. Thankfully Dunedin has more capacity to absord the hordes……for a while.
      Queenstown is scenically beautiful, but that’s it. Otherwise it is a soulless place with money making its raison d’être. We went there thirty years ago with a baby and stayed at the motorcamp. Queenstown was the only place that charged for a baby. Says a lot about the mentality there.

  8. Elizabeth

    Thu, 7 Jan 2016 at 12:34 a.m.

    “…and we have to get A into G and rattle our dags, the rate the sea is rising,” declared wetsuited Mayor Cull, chains rattling with emotion.

    [Flooding of many sorts….]

    4 Jan 2016
    Three Little Pigs awarded contract to build 13,000 new homes
    By Wrenfoe
    The Prime Minister has taken the unprecedented decision to be guided by fairy tales from the land-of-make-believe or his ‘big society’ as he calls it. Drawing on the construction acumen of a family firm of pigs – claiming a long history of ‘keeping the wolf from the door’ – David Cameron has said that best examples of affordable housing are fictitious, citing numerous gingerbread residences as an example.
    A spokesman for Mr. Cameron explained: ‘We’ve been given three quotes – ranging from budget building materials right the way through to brick. Even though for many Conservatives the idea of social housing is fantasy territory, we still need to work within a budget. Many would say that using straw is fraught with risk – but as events in Cumbria have shown, we need more homes with a high absorbency factor’.
    Continues at http://www.newsbiscuit.com/2016/01/04/three-little-pigs-awarded-contract-to-build-13000-new-homes/

  9. Urban Pop Sociology. The City, or humanz OÖ is duallist. In binary Opposition you find The Sacred and The Profane, rubbing shoulders on Karangahape Road. The leafy suburb is a bivvy on the Town Belt. In town, you get a belt. Oh, to be in Auckland, if theyre all coming here! (Mr Study, time for your bromide Sir).

  10. Elizabeth

    ### NZ Herald Online 5:37 PM Sunday Jan 17, 2016
    Auckland more diverse than London and New York
    By Lincoln Tan
    Auckland is one of the world’s most culturally diverse cities with the fourth most foreign-born population, an international study has found. With 39 per cent of its population born overseas, the city is revealed to be more diverse than Sydney, Los Angeles, London and even New York. The 2015 World Migration Report from the International Organisation for Migration looks at how international migrants and migration were shaping cities.
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  11. Elizabeth

    Direct evidence of the er, numerology / gazing at stars methodology employed by Terence as noted in the post at the top of this thread.

    Mr Oaten has successfully put this into discovery for us.

    ODT 20.1.15 (page 6)

    ODT 20.1.16 Letter to editor Oaten p6 (1)

  12. Hype O'Thermia

    But wait, there’s more! Do the calculations above, add your age at your last birthday and divide by your postcode.
    Then using the code 1=A, 2=B, 3=C, etc to 0 then starting again so 1=K as well as A….
    Surprised? Yes, it’s the name of the first teacher you had when you started school!
    Try it yourself. It always works – just like the “economic multiplier effects” so convincingly explained by Terry Davies.

  13. Calvin Oaten

    So Mr Davies deduced that the 43,358 visitors spent around $450 each. This would amount to $19.511m. hence his claim. But then this doesn’t allow for the $4.457m the locals spent on the concert. So that is a deduction leaving just $15.054m benefit. Multiply this by his 60 per cent and we get back to the $24.0864m he claims. Oh for the joys of “multiples”.
    Question: why stop at 60 per cent, why didn’t the “Butchers” really make an impact and go for 80 or 90 per cent? Face it, the figures are crap anyway, because no matter how many additional wages, extra food, drinks and accommodation etc, are added to the $450 per person, these are all provided locally from the local money churn. Where’s the gain there? The man’s in “La La Land!”
    I think the last quote in his reply says it all. “God the Father” always gives everything.

  14. The Whisperer

    This is what Mr Butcher had to say when he was called in by council to give economic evidence some 14 years ago for variation 9B (Industrial Variation) for the 37.2 Ha at North Taieri that was later granted on this sort of evidence.
    “25. Typical employment densities for manufacturing are around 25 jobs per Ha. Hence the rezoning of 37.2 Ha with a usable 32 Ha would enable generation of the order of 800 jobs directly in industry. Flow on effects would mean that rezoning of this land could lead to the generation of perhaps 1,600 jobs in Dunedin.”
    Yeah Right. 14 years on and there would be less industrial jobs in this area, than there were when he gave his evidence.

  15. Hype O'Thermia

    “Typical employment densities for manufacturing are around 25 jobs per Ha.” What? It would depend a hell of a lot on which hectares you picked to make up your “typical” from which to draw (a la Dali, Picasso) conclusions.
    No dissing of Dali & Picasso – top geezers both of them – but there’s some time it’s better to choose Audrey Eagle* as your role model.

    *Otago honours leading botanical artist Audrey Eagle
    May 1, 2013 – Audrey Eagle. The University of Otago will confer the honorary degree of Doctor of Science on acclaimed Dunedin-based botanical artist

  16. Calvin Oaten

    25 jobs per hectare? You can get more than that with ‘coolie’ pickers on an Indian tea plantation. “Shush”, quiet, lest the DCC propose investing in an Indian tea plantation. According to the ‘butchers’ it would show economic benefits for the ratepayers.

  17. The Whisperer

    This is what Mr Christie had to say on behalf of the Otago Chamber of Commerce in support of the Industrial Variation 9B.
    “6. The Chamber believes that the results of rezoning land by variation 9B will strengthen the local economy over the medium to long term and substantially assist the local business community to expand and develop their business interests in a sustainable and managed way for the benefit of all Dunedin citizens.”
    14 years on the local community is still waiting for the strengthening of their local economy. In the meantime 400 jobs lost at F&P.
    14 years later Mr Christie on behalf of the DCC has to go cap in hand to the Jaffas to convince them to come and help strengthen the local economy. I wonder what plan C could be if in another 14 years. If the Jaffa plan fails.

  18. Elizabeth

    ### ODT Online Thu, 21 Jan 2016
    Dunedin’s big Auckland push begins
    Dunedin’s aggressive marketing campaign aimed at getting Aucklanders to move south began today […] the ‘‘big marketing push” opened with a 36-page magazine in today’s New Zealand Herald, highlighting benefits of the Dunedin lifestyle.
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    *Left out the ED head’s name since no-one wants to be influenced by that one. Give us a break.

    MUCH embarrassment – Dunedin SUFFERS CargoCullt-itis

    Greasy hair is so yesterday.

  19. Elizabeth

    Passionate Want
    —transferable to Need

    That a New Mayor [that is not Cull or MacTavish] be given powers to hire and fire Council staff. Starting with Managers of every sort. God knows there’s enough of them who aren’t doing much except eating their lunch and watching the crew do really bad projects, badly.

    This may be a trace harsh. Imagine dealing daily with the performance of bureaucracy for this Cull term, the red carpets and COIs.

  20. Elizabeth

    Property speculation is rife – when will New Zealand learn. John Key and the National-led government are a complete joke. Banks too. RE industry ditto. GREED is the all weather all climate fashion.

    ### ODT Online Mon, 25 Jan 2016
    Auckland housing affordability worsens
    via NZ Herald with Carla Green, ODT
    Auckland’s housing affordability has worsened and the city has climbed from the world’s ninth most expensive city to the fifth most expensive in one year. The annual Demographia survey, released today, compares prices to incomes in 367 cities and shows Auckland to be one of the worst in the world, due to extremely high real estate prices and moderate wages.
    Read more

  21. Elizabeth

    Dear John, as the TV ad used to go. [how to be disappointed – he and us]

    JC was never very good at quantitative and qualitative analysis – what’s changed.


    $6749 (Dunedin City Council) + $9500 (Grow Dunedin – DCC is a partner) and ?????

    Mr Christie said “anecdotal” evidence suggested the campaign had been a success. […] He could not point to concrete examples of Aucklanders expressing an interest in moving to or visiting Dunedin as a result of the magazine.

    ### ODT Online Thu, 4 Feb 2016
    Push to lure Aucklanders worth costs
    By Vaughan Elder
    A targeted advertising effort to get Aucklanders to move to Dunedin was “absolutely” worth the more than $6500 in ratepayer money spent on the campaign, Enterprise Dunedin’s John Christie says. The director’s comments came as businesses part of the push said they were happy with the level of interest from Aucklanders since a 36-page magazine, highlighting benefits of the Dunedin lifestyle ran in the the New Zealand Herald last month.
    Read more



    Wake up Dunedin residents and ratepayers.

  22. Hype O'Thermia

    Good lord, it took forever to lose Rodney Bryant and his glossy magazine, now it looks like someone else has learned that me-tooing can’t fail. No proof of usefulness required.

  23. Elizabeth

    The BS continues – say goodbye to more of your ratepayer dollars on nebulous ENTERPRISE DUNEDIN marketing which of course isn’t based on any balanced assessment of positive and negative effects of getting Jafas here. [eg see impact property values]. Remember Enterprise Dunedin seeks $790,000 from the DCC Annual Plan 2016/17.

    ### dunedintelevision.co.nz Tue, 16 Feb 2016
    DCC supports Auckland campaign
    A marketing project aimed at enticing Aucklanders to live and work in Dunedin could become a regular expense for the city council. It has spent just over $16,000 on a supplement in the New Zealand Herald, and plans to do so each year. But not all councillors are sold on the product.
    Ch39 Video

    The non-scientific Channel 39 Poll (of casual Ch39 website visitors) doesn’t suggest support….

    29 Jan 2016 Poll (still open)
    Would you like more Aucklanders to move to Dunedin?
    Yes 39% (43 votes)
    No 61% (68 votes)
    Total votes: 111

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