DCC cycle lanes, the real reason……. foul-ups @DUD

Received from Brian Miller
Sat, 24 Oct 2015 at 5:40 p.m.

The real reason why DCC wants cyclists to have their own cycling lane.

So this is why those people in funny clothes wander all over our roads!
—I knew there was a reason why I took up biking.

Retirement BicycleImage: Supplied

My doctor says to drink lots while exercising!
And I always follow the doctor’s advice.

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15 responses to “DCC cycle lanes, the real reason……. foul-ups @DUD

  1. Brian Miller

    Calvin. Would you like to join our cycle club ? The above cycles are supplied. All you have to do is supply the funny clothes.

  2. Calvin Oaten

    Brian. Not really interested in putting my time expired arthritic carcass on a bike, but you could send me the contents of the survival kit. Looks like some good vintages.

  3. Diane Yeldon

    Top 10 drunk cyclist fails:

    Geneva Garner Published on Jan 3, 2015
    Top 10 funny and hilarious drunks on bike compilation. Drunk man on bike, drunken man tries to ride his bike, drunk bike guy attempting to ride home, drunk p.

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  4. Diane Yeldon

    This is actually no joke when you get a lot of people riding bicycles because they can’t afford to run a car, as has happened overseas. Bicycle-riding is not a ‘life-style choice’ for them and there’s no lycra, fitness concerns or going light on the booze. Interesting discussion on the internet at the moment about when you can get charged with being ‘drunk in charge of a bicycle’. Not that clear. It seems to depend on whether a bicycle is considered a ‘motor vehicle’. http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/blogs/are-we-there-yet/3156431/Drink-cycling-is-it-legal

  5. Diane Yeldon

    Some of the comments on the above article are hilarious.
    e.g. ” I always wondered if it was legal to ride a horse while drunk. How about a sheep or a pig? Cheap and legal transport home from the pub?”

  6. Diane Yeldon

    Meeting of the full Council tomorrow and one of the Public Forum speaker’s topics is safety of roads. A couple of other Public Forum topics that could promise fireworks too!

  7. Hype O'Thermia

    I don’t get the cycle lane thing. Hardly anyone’s house is on the cycle lane and not many people cycling are going to somewhere on the cycle lane, so inevitably a large proportion of their cycling is done on roads without cycle lanes.

    • Diane Yeldon

      Specially built separated Cycle ways are driven by
      1) wishful thinking that humans beings can somehow stop the world being an intrinsically dangerous place
      2) brag potential for civic authorities, especially directed at tourists (cycling internationally being the ‘new golf’ for the moneyed retired)
      3) construction companies – of course.
      4) then FINALLY, in some limited situations, a genuine, realistic and workable intention of making some route more convenient for cyclists.

      But whether this can be done depends very much on a city’s natural geography. AND the size of its population. Someone just told me Brisbane has an excellent cycleway – along flat land adjacent to a river.
      Yes, but Brisbane’s metropolitan area has a population of 2.3 million!
      In contrast, Dunedin is already tightly jammed in between hills and the sea and has a population of about 128,000.


      Of course, I have no objection to making left-hand lanes on ordinary roads wider to make it easier and safer for cyclists in certain, clearly helpful places. But generally ‘cyclist’ road markings and blocks on the road are actually counterproductive and even hazardous.

  8. Hype O'Thermia

    I wonder if the shock-horror about deaths of cyclists (compared with pedestrians) has anything to do with the individuals killed on SH1 in Dunedin, compared with pedestrians on various city streets. Doctor vs pensioner? Perceived value of life lost?
    Sorry, any reader who has lost a loved person to road accident of any kind. I’m not saying one person is worth more than another, just trying to understand why sometimes numerically small tragedies bring about major action, other times many bad things (take the falls on the dangerous slippery floor, University of Otago) result in nothing more than a couple of orange cones and a warning sign.
    It’s important to examine this, most particularly in view of the frantic spend-up not to mention repeated cockups, costing heaps of money but achieving… what?

    • Diane Yeldon

      This emphasis on cyclists’ deaths really annoys me. It is just a political tactic to try to SHAME people into voting in favour of and paying for expensive separated cycleways. (I have no objection whatsoever to sensible road tweaking to suit cyclists at known danger spots.) Cyclists are going to get killed on roads whatever road designs we have. The truth about some cyclist fatalities is that sometimes NO ONE else was involved – you can kill yourself on a bike with no need for any help from anyone else.
      Motorcyclists are supposed to have a higher accident and fatality rate (partly because the subset of clowns who can’t ride safely usually quickly fall off – nothing wrong with REAL motorcyclists!), yet we don’t see people talking of engineering roads especially for their needs. And young males between the ages of about 17 – 25 have a very high accident rate. And a high risk-taking and violence rate as well. I bet I could come up with a statistically impeccable study which would show we would have far fewer road accidents and fatalities if young males in this age group were not allowed to drive at all. But it would be both unfair and ridiculous for social policy to be driven by such ‘evidence’.
      Social policy and subsequent expenditure should take into account the needs and safety of ALL road user groups at the same time, using common sense – a matter of fairness and balance. FORGET THE GUILT!!!

  9. Calvin Oaten

    Diane, it’s the ‘Nanny State’ versus personal responsibility. The Nanny State wins every time. It is all about control and power, nothing at all about saving lives.

  10. Gurglars

    Scientific Study on Cycle ways in Dunedin and environs.

    Weather fine, track good, today a great day to cycle.

    Having made a serious study of cycle lane usage in Australia, today I commenced my New Zealand study on a trip from Wanaka to Dunedin.

    I saw two cyclists on roads adjoining cycleways, not using cycleways, using the road, both old fat and definitely not roadies having a training session.

    Road from Wanaka to Dunedin.
    I saw five cycles, four on cars, one almost on a car, to be fair it is probable that the motorist used his cycle on the Lawrence – Weatherston cycleway.

    Cycleway from Central to Dunedin, zero cyclists, nada, not a dicky bird except for the aforementioned probable.

    Highcliff Road- two cyclists both heading to Larnach Castle not using Portobello road cycleway (vertical ride LESS on Portobello road option).

    On many other trips to Wanaka, I have yet to see a cyclist using a cycleway, ditto for Kingston to Invercargill.


    Cyclists follow the normal pattern of humans in that they follow the rule of random chaos. That is they go where they want to, not on some specious track provided by a bureaucrat or group of bureaucrats.

    One thing I notice about car drivers who are villified by Agenda 21 enthusiasts is that in general they seem a lot smarter than the cyclists. Most if not all stick to the provided carriageway.

    Perhaps that is why we need cycleways!

    Bike riding for Dummies.

  11. Diane Yeldon

    Here is a different viewpoint about whether separated cycleways save lives:

  12. Elizabeth

    ODT 27.10.15 (page 6)

    ODT 27.10.15 Letter to editor Cr Whiley p6 (1)

  13. Gurglars

    I didn’t know Whiley was an Italian. Or an accountant.

    If he continues to sit on the fence he’ll get an honorary passport, and if he continues to balance budgets he’ll get an honorary degree.

    However, if he is serious about consulting the public on cycleways he’ll find out – no one wants them except Spokes and Jinty and their ilk and no one rides on them, tomorrow join the mathematicians and count the cyclists.

    There are more cycleways than cyclists.

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