Dunedin ratepayers —Green Island best site for city pool users #Mosgielfarce


The best option is to upgrade and maintain the existing Mosgiel Pool, rather than give Taieri (sprawl) housing speculator-developers and main street businessmen a pool to help their privateering (and professional rugby/training connections). Larger numbers of rate-paying Dunedin residents will benefit from a long-term (funded) aquatic centre sited at Green Island. However, the Stadium is still costing ratepayers +$20 million per annum…..

It looks like Greater Dunedin, through the Mayor and MacTavish, are keen to foster the Mosgiel proposal as a vote catcher in next year’s local body elections.

Dunedin City Council – Media Release
Feedback Sought on Mosgiel Pool Options

This item was published on 23 Jul 2015

Consultation opens today on four shortlisted sites for a new aquatic centre in Mosgiel….

Over the next fortnight, the Dunedin City Council, in partnership with the Taieri Community Facilities Trust, is seeking community feedback on the four sites. One of the options is to use the existing pool site on Gordon Road and the other three options are different locations within Memorial Park and the Mosgiel Memorial Gardens.
Since the Council decided to allocate a placeholder of $6 million for the project in the Long Term Plan 2015/16 to 2024/25, work has begun to progress investigations around the proposed facility. The first step of these investigations involves identifying a preferred site.
The work is being led by a steering group, comprised of three Councillors, three Trust members and a member of the Mosgiel community. The group has been given the mandate to work to develop the proposal to the point where there is a preferred site, plans and costings for a new aquatic centre in Mosgiel. These stages are to be reported back to the Council by 30 October.
Mosgiel Aquatic Facility Steering Group Chair Cr Jinty MacTavish says the four sites out for consultation have been shortlisted by the steering group from identified options, including those in the original feasibility study.

“Site selection is an important part of the design process. We’re looking forward to hearing the community’s thoughts on the site they think would be best.”

The DCC is working with the Trust to ensure the reports needed for Council decisions are completed on time. Trust Chair Irene Mosley says, “The community gave a very clear indication during the Long Term Plan process that they wanted a new pool facility in Mosgiel. Now that the DCC has allocated some funding for this project we need to go back to the community and make sure they have the opportunity to comment on the shortlisted sites.”

Feedback must be received by Friday, 7 August.

For more information and to fill in a questionnaire visit http://www.dunedin.govt.nz/mosgielpool-consultation or http://www.poolingtogether.org.nz. Hard copy information is also available at the Mosgiel Library and Service Centre

Contact Cr Jinty MacTavish, Chair, Mosgiel Aquatic Facility Steering Group on 027 277 5631. DCC Link

█ Someone else to YELL at besides Jinty Mactavish:
Irene Mosley
Chair, Taieri Community Facilities Trust [aka Pooling Together]
Phone 021 231 9197

Taieri Aquatic Centre —proposal [Images: Baker Garden Architects]Pool 4Pool 2Pool 5Pool 6Pool 7

Correspondence received.
Thu, 23 Jul 2015 at 12:20 p.m.

From: Bev Butler
To: Lee Vandervis, Dave Cull, David Benson-Pope, Hilary Calvert, John Bezett, Doug Hall, Aaron Hawkins, Mike Lord, Jinty MacTavish, Andrew Noone, Neville Peat, Chris Staynes, Richard Thomson, Andrew Whiley, Kate Wilson
Sent: Thursday, 23 July 2015 11:05 AM
Subject: LTAP and Mosgiel Pool

Dear Mayor Cull and Councillors

I recently received a copy of the LTAP and noticed on page 166 of the new LTAP, Aquatic Services new Capital Expenditure: Mosgiel Pool $410,000 in 2016/17 and $14.478 million in 2018/19.

However, when referencing the ODT report on 22 May 2015:
It is reported:
“Council allocated a placeholder budget of $6 million in the 2018-19 financial year for the facility.”

So at what point did the $6 million reported in May change to $14.478 million? I couldn’t find any reference to the change in ODT. Maybe I missed it.
I have also looked up the Council meeting minutes but can find no reference there either.

Would someone please tell me the date when this $14.478 million was approved by Council and preferably send me a copy of the minutes or point me in the direction to find them.

Many thanks
Bev Butler


Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2015 23:17:09 +0000
From: Richard Thomson
To: Bev Butler; Lee Vandervis; Dave Cull; David Benson-Pope; Hilary Calvert; John Bezett; Doug Hall; Aaron Hawkins; Mike Lord; Jinty MacTavish; Andrew Noone; Neville Peat; Chris Staynes; Richard Thomson; Andrew Whiley; Kate Wilson
Subject: Re: LTAP and Mosgiel Pool


you will see that the figure is asterixed and that this references back to notes that these are projects which have “full or partial external funding”. In this case the pool is subject to the community fundraising their share but that is included in the capital spend. you will see a similar situation with the cricket lights at Logan park where $2.2m is being spent but Council has approved up to $1m of its money only..

Richard [Thomson, Cr]

Related Posts and Comments:
22.7.15 DCC Long Term Plan 2015/16 – 2024/2025
19.5.15 Mosgiel pool trust conflicts of interest #bigfishsmallpond
● 18.5.15 NEWSFLASH —Mosgiel pool, tracking [PONT] . . . .
1.4.15 ‘Pooling Together’ (TCFT) loses chairman, resigns [see Wanaka pool]
20.3.15 DESTROYED, beautification project —Railway corridor, Gladstone Road
11.3.15 Mosgiel pool trust PLAINLY hasn’t got ‘$7.5M community support’
● 6.3.15 Propaganda from trust for Taieri pool project #Mosgiel
● 2.3.15 DCC: Mosgiel Pool private workshop Tuesday (tomorrow) [renders]
● 20.2.15 Taieri Aquatic Centre: 2nd try for SECRET meeting —hosted by Mayor
● 13.2.15 ‘Taieri Aquatic Centre’, email from M. Stedman via B. Feather
● 10.2.15 Dunedin City Councillors invited to Secret Meeting #Mosgiel
11.10.14 New Mosgiel Pool trust declared —(ready to r**t)
23.7.14 Mosgiel Pool: Taieri Times, ODT…. mmm #mates
16.7.14 Stadium: Exploiting CST model for new Mosgiel Pool #GOBs
● 4.2.14 DCC: Mosgiel Pool, closed-door parallels with stadium project…
30.1.14 DCC broke → More PPPs to line private pockets and stuff ratepayers
20.1.14 DCC Draft Annual Plan 2014/15 [see this comment & ff]
16.11.13 Community board (Mosgiel-Taieri) clandestine meetings
25.1.12 Waipori Fund – inane thinkings from a councillor
19.5.10 DScene – Public libraries, Hillside Workshops, stadium, pools
12.4.10 High-performance training pool at stadium?

Posted by Elizabeth Kerr


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7 responses to “Dunedin ratepayers —Green Island best site for city pool users #Mosgielfarce

  1. Elizabeth

    Friday’s Otago Daily Times takes a look at the four shortlisted sites for the Proposed Taieri Aquatics Centre at Mosgiel.

    Note. There’s diabolical politics around the shortlist, the DCC LTP
    funding notations, the project backers (CONFLICTS OF INTEREST)….

    Don’t get whatifdunedin started on the SHONKY SCREWBALL methods of public consultation used for this project now and to date. GRIEVOUS developer/rugby driven shite.

    The politics is all too heavy. An independent inquiry is needed.

  2. Elizabeth

    ### dunedintv.co.nz July 23, 2015 – 5:54pm
    Mosgiel pool narrowed to four
    Four preferred sites have been identified for the new Mosgiel pool complex.

    • Null Disperandum

      For God’s sake, Elizabeth. I now know how Caesar felt when Brutus took him out (‘et tu Brute’). We now have you too, Elizabeth, calling it a new Mosgiel pool complex. It is NOT! It is a PROPOSED new pool. There are sundry conditions to be satisfied before this exercise will be entitled to be addressed in the finite manner that you have employed. I still love you Elizabeth but maybe we should introduce you to a re-education programme on how not to adopt the views of the enemy. As is oft said in ‘party politics, “God save us from our friends”.

  3. Elizabeth

    Surprise surprise, Zero ND.
    Did you not see #Mosgielfarce in the title of the post.

    The proposal put forward to DCC’s draft long term plan by TCFT, as depicted (see images by Baker Garden Architects) is the ‘Taieri Aquatic Centre’, a complex, a pool system —copying ‘Selwyn pool’, called the Selwyn Aquatic Centre (earlier post).

    Don’t be naïve. The complex-pushers want the whole nine yards, not the proverbial inch.

  4. Elizabeth

    As at Friday, 24 July 2015:

    Dunedin City Council – Media Release
    Mosgiel Pool
    [public consultation – closes 07/08/2015]

    [Dunedin City Council wants] to know your views on where a new aquatic centre for the Mosgiel area should be located. In partnership with the Taieri Community Facilities Trust (the Trust) we are proposing four sites for the new facility.

    The current Mosgiel Pool was built in 1935 and has served the Taieri ever since. The Council and community have agreed the pool no longer meets the needs of the local community as
    ● it is open for only seven months of the year
    ● it has significant condensation problems
    ● there are serious maintenance needs
    ● the pool is nearing the end of its useful life.

    In 2014 the DCC asked the Trust to prepare a feasibility study for a new aquatic centre to be located in Mosgiel. In November 2014 the Trust presented a feasibility study identifying six site options. You can read the evaluation of the site options in the feasibility study [Taieri Aquatic Centre – Capability Study 6 Nov 2014].

    In the 2015 Long Term Plan the Council agreed to develop a concept for a new aquatic centre in Mosgiel and committed $6 million towards the project in partnership with the community.

    A steering group has been formed. Members include Trust representatives, Councillors and an independent community representative. The steering group has assessed the six sites identified in the feasibility study and shortlisted two sites including three options within Memorial Park and Memorial Gardens. Transport routes and access, infrastructure and planning requirements for each site were assessed by the steering group.

    As part of progressing this project, the Council, in partnership with the Trust, wish to consult with the community on the four locations identified by the steering group.

    During site selection consideration will need to be given to the provision of infrastructure such as car parking. The final area of land required for the development will be confirmed during the design stage. Any impacts on existing infrastructure such as sportsfields, gardens or buildings will need to be considered

    Consultation documents
    Map – Site one: Existing Site (PDF, 1.6 MB)
    The existing pool is located at 215 Gordon Road and is bound to the north by Silverstream, and the Mosgiel Caravan Park to the east. Note: Construction at this site may impact swimming at the existing facility. Details would be confirmed during the design stage.

    Map – Site two: Memorial Park Car Park (PDF, 1.7 MB)
    This site is the existing car park adjacent to the Mosgiel Memorial Gym. Memorial Park playing fields are to the North and Memorial Gardens are to the South.

    Map – Site three: Memorial Gardens (PDF, 1.8 MB)
    This site was identified as the preferred site in the feasibility study prepared by the Taieri Community Facilities Trust.

    Map – Site four: Memorial Park (Reid Avenue end) (PDF, 1.8 MB)
    This site is located on the eastern boundary of the Memorial Park site. Memorial Park playing fields are to the North and the Memorial Gardens are to the South.

    Consultation details
    Closing date: 07/08/2015
    Contact person: Parks and Recreation – Mosgiel Pool Consultation

    Public feedback
    Online submission form
    ● Email to – mosgielpoolsite @dcc.govt.nz
    ● Post to – Dunedin City Council, PO Box 5045, Moray Place, Dunedin 9058, Attention Proposed Dunedin City – Mosgiel Pool Site
    ● Hand deliver to – DCC Customer Services Centre, Ground Floor, 50 The Octagon, Dunedin, Attention: Proposed Dunedin City – Mosgiel Pool Site or drop off at Mosgiel Library

    DCC Link


    Pool trust still prefers a site somewhere inside Memorial Gardens, and considers the option of redeveloping the existing pool to be “a bit of a red herring”. (ODT)

    ### ODT Online Fri, 24 Jul 2015
    Public feedback sought on pool site
    By Chris Morris
    The trust pushing for a new Mosgiel pool says the project has not taken a step back, despite going from a preferred site to a shortlist of four options. The shortlist’s release yesterday came from the new Mosgiel Aquatic Facility Steering Group, comprising council, trust and community representatives, formed earlier this year to progress the project.
    Read more

    Four possible sites for new pool complex: (via ODT)

    1. Existing Mosgiel pool [$2.5M upgrade – the easy solution]
    2. The car park at Memorial Park.
    3. The Memorial Garden (Gordon Rd side).
    4. Inside the Memorial Garden (Reid Ave side).

    █ Steering group wants public feedback before final recommendation to Council on a site, as well as designs and costs, by October 30.

    █ Public consultation on shortlisted sites runs for two weeks, until August 7. Go to questionnaire at http://www.dunedin.govt.nz/mosgielpool-consultation

  5. Elizabeth

    See Rob Hamlin’s most recent comment on the Mosgiel pool:

    “I thought that it might be best to bring everybody up to date with the official ‘fudge’ as to the $15 million allocated in the LTP for the Mosgiel Pool.
    The LTP on p.166 as part of the ‘Ten Year Capital Expenditure Programme’ says that $410,000 will be spent in 2016/17 and $14,578,000 on the pool.” Cont/

    Read p166 of the Council’s LTP 2015/16 – 2024/20125 at
    this post (section links provided).

  6. Elizabeth


    ### ODT Online Wed, 5 Aug 2015
    Good public feedback over pool sites
    By Chris Morris
    The preferred site for Mosgiel’s new pool is proving to be a hot topic of debate. Dunedin City Council staff say more than 60 electronic submissions have been received so far, on top of an unknown number of written submissions delivered directly to the Civic Centre at Mosgiel’s Library. The public feedback had come in just the first week of consultation on the shortlist of four sites for the pool, released on July 24.
    Read more

    █ Feedback must be received by Friday, 7 August.

    For more information and to fill in a questionnaire visit http://www.dunedin.govt.nz/mosgielpool-consultation or http://www.poolingtogether.org.nz. Hard copy information is also available at the Mosgiel Library and Service Centre

    Contact Cr Jinty MacTavish, Chair, Mosgiel Aquatic Facility Steering Group on 027 277 5631.

    Hands off Mosgiel Memorial Gardens

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