Cr Mike Lord isn’t the only one !!

Mike Lord is quite correct on the matters highlighted here:

### ODT Online Sat, 2 May 2015
Frustration over council’s ‘green’ leanings
By Vaughan Elder
Halfway through his term as a Dunedin city councillor, Mike Lord says he is frustrated with the amount of time the council spends on “green issues”. […] “We have an obligation to keep our city growing, we have to be friendly to the business community, we have to front-foot things. We have to make sure that our city plan doesn’t hinder business.”
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Mike Lord [screenshot Ch39 22.10.13] 1A reasonable and positive post-election interview:

### October 22, 2013 – 5:58pm
Nightly interview: Mike Lord
The former president of the Otago Province of Federated Farmers is a new face at the DCC, bringing a rural perspective to the council table. Mike Lord is part of Mayor Dave Cull’s Greater Dunedin grouping, and won his place thanks to voters in the Mosgiel Taieri ward. Video

Posted by Elizabeth Kerr

*Image: Mike Lord [screenshot Ch39 22.10.13]


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22 responses to “Cr Mike Lord isn’t the only one !!

  1. Sally

    He is undecided whether to stand again, will re-evaluate in about a year’s time.
    Could he be waiting to see what the next milk price payout will be?

  2. O me miserum

    Nah – I think not. Mike Lord has not been a hands-on dairy farmer for a long time. I’m more persuaded to the belief that Cull and his Flat Earth party have been given a Biblical reminder that The Lord giveth, and the Lord taketh away.

    {Moderated. -Eds}

  3. Cars

    First, Vandervis, then Lord, another hole and the ship will sink. Cull’s attempt to marginalise Vandervis may yet backfire. If someone could get the fence out of Doug Halls’ cleft the demise of green control will happen.

    • Mick

      May 4, 2015 at 10:16 am
      You say “If someone could get the fence out of Doug Hall’s cleft the demise of green control will happen.”
      Doug Hall has a mind of his own and is smart. All he needs to do is to speak his mind as forcefully and in the blunt language that we all know he can use. C’mon Doug. Find your tongue.

  4. Anonymous

    Patience, patience. Cull has miscalculated his dates. Although Lee cannot vote during committees, he can vote in Council after July on results of those committees, including those relating to the long-term plan. Normally Council rubber-stamps the committee decisions. Normally.

  5. Elizabeth

    ### ODT Online Thu, 14 May 2015
    ‘Sleepless nights’ over rates
    By John Gibb
    Already facing pressure from falling milk prices, farmers have told of worries and “sleepless nights” over rising rural rate charges, at an Otago Regional Council meeting yesterday. Concerns over the charges, some aimed at improving water quality, were heard in public submissions to the ORC’s long-term plan hearing in Dunedin. Taieri farmer Mike Lord, a Dunedin City councillor, said ongoing costs from the lower Taieri flood and drainage protection schemes were “becoming unaffordable” for the few landholders who “carry the brunt of the cost of these works”.
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    Related comments at another thread:

  6. Peter

    I’m not sure whether the farming fraternity will get a lot of sympathy, even if it might be deserved given they are generally a hard working lot of people in touch with the real world.
    For many people they are seen to have had a good run….particularly the dairy farmers… and the current drop in dairy prices will be seen as just one of those periodic slumps in any one sector of the agricultural industry at any one time.
    There might even be an upside as it reminds us that NZ mustn’t just rely on milk for its prosperity.
    People want cleaner waterways and someone has to pay. Better it be those who pollute them. The ORC are on the right track.

  7. Diane Yeldon

    This issue of rates on farming land raises a very serious injustice concerning the present rating system. Rates are a property or asset tax. Since this is quite distinct from income, that means that ability to pay this tax is simply not taken into account when levying it. This in turn results in people being ‘rated off’ their own land – they are forced to sell because they cannot afford to pay the rates, But they often get little sympathy, being seen as ‘land-rich’. However, being temporarily ‘land-rich’ doesn’t compensate a person’s heartbreak over losing their home, which, often, has gone up in value at least partly because of the care and money they put into it. So we have a social system which punishes people for being prudent, self-reliant, hard-working and provident.
    Matters get even worse when your land is actually the means of production of your business. This is the case with productive rural land. Imposing a land tax based on market value – which is what the rating system amounts to – is horrendously unfair here. We are so used to it that it is hard to see how unfair it is. This is probably because in the past when rates were significantly lower, the unfairness didn’t seem to matter a great deal because in practical terms the rates were generally affordable.
    But when land is the means of production, annually taxing it based on market value is like taxing a factory owner on the market value of his machinery, plant and equipment. So the more effort he puts into building up his productive capacity, the more tax ( as rates) he is going to have to pay. The end result is obvious – he will be put out of business.
    To rub salt into their wounds, rural landowners often don’t even make much use of the city services they pay so highly for. A poll tax, according to what services rural families actually use and have available to them would be so much fairer.
    And how does it help all New Zealanders if our own farmers go broke and our rural land is then bought up by Chinese and other overseas buyers?

  8. Diane Yeldon

    Peter: I do not support high density, industrial scale dairy production. It is a bad, polluting land use, cruel to cows and gives profits to only a few while New Zealanders collectively have to bear the burden of polluted waterways. I don’t think these irrigation schemes actually help. They are aimed only at making even more natural water ‘available’ ( supposedly) for industrial scale agriculture. There are highly complex fairness issues involved in use and distribution of natural water resources. Not just in New Zealand but internationally. For example, in India, where so much water is being taken out of rivers upstream that major rivers are disappearing downstream. This situation looks ripe to be the cause of future wars, not just serious disputes as in New Zealand at the moment. Actually I don’t think ANYONE should be allowed to divert ANY water from a river, let alone put dairy effluent and other pollutants into one. New Zealand’s current concept of ‘resource management ‘ has always really been about carving up what is seen as the pie, never about truly caring for the land.

  9. Calvin Oaten

    Diane, you correctly state the inequity of the rating system. In the farmers’ case the land under their feet and the improvements thereon are valued and rated regardless of the income being derived from that land. The unfortunate part is when, in the case of the dairy farmers there is an upswing in the dairy market [as there has been over recent times] followed by a downturn there is a lag which causes all manner of problems, not just rates. It is a regularly demonstrated phenomenon that whenever there is an upswing, be it dairy, wool or beef, always this sets off a land price surge and it is followed by valuations which in turn affect rates costs. So it could be said that it is a self-inflicted injury. The agriculture industry is notorious for shooting itself in the foot and then cry to the government, be it for tax, rates relief, drought relief, subsidies etc. It usually works as well. Farm production is just like any other manufacturing, you must look at the ‘widget’ you intend making, you look at the market you intend being in , you keep the eye on your costs and you do not over capitalise the non productive aspects involved in making the widgets. If you do, and the widget drops in value due to all manner of reasons then you just have to ride with it. That is when the over capitalising bit kicks in. People never seem to get that message. It happens with councils, housing, personal debts, every where. The only winners seem to be the ‘one percenters’ the money men, the banksters and priests. Has been that way for thousands of years. Funny that.

    • Diane Yeldon

      To be a bit technical, Calvin, it is not altogether true that higher land valuations necessarily and always ‘result’ in overall higher rates. It depends how much revenue the local authority decides to extract from the local property owners. So higher valuations could be matched by a lower rate in the dollar to maintain the status quo. However, since local authorities are generally excessively spendthrift, they often use increased valuations as a kind of excuse. But rather than focus on the weirdness of a fundamentally flawed system, better to scrap it altogether. Of course, a tax on land has historically always been popular with the various kinds of robber barons and banksters. Because if the property owner doesn’t pay up, his land just gets confiscated. That is why rates are a ‘charge on land’ and consequently the responsibility of whoever owns it. Landowners are being held hostage and ironically forced to fund the very agencies who are doing that!

  10. Diane Yeldon

    Calvin, I am going to become a nettle entrepreneur. You heard it here first!

  11. Calvin Oaten

    Diane, best of luck with the nettles, but just remember keep your overheads in line with your market expectations, otherwise those nettles will all go limp and cease to fulfill their function.

  12. JimmyJones

    At the ODT sv3nn0 wrote this Your Say opinion piece » Fear and election in Green politics. He covers things like Green Party influence on the DCC and mentions the “Green Party members Jinty MacTavish and Aaron Hawkins”. I am not sure why, but the ODT won’t let me comment on this – here is what I wanted to say:
    Green Crusaders
    There are other DCC councillors that follow the Green ideology by virtue of being members of the Greater Dunedin grouping – these include Dave Cull, Jinty MacTavish, Kate Wilson, Chris Staynes, Richard Thomson etc. Greenism appears to be the main policy of Greater Dunedin. These days, green ideology includes a lot more than just environmentalism: Greater Dunedin and the Green Party NZ promote the beliefs of Agenda 21, now called “Sustainable Development“. This is a much broader political ideology than the greenism of the 1980s because it incorporates things like Localism, Car-hate, Pacifism and various other Leftist beliefs. It opposes economic growth and they never stop preaching of some type of terrible apocalypse (normally Global Warming and the end of oil). Survivalism is included because of their vision of an apocalyptic future and this contrasts with the otherwize left-wing “isms”.

    Agenda 21/Sustainable Development is hated throughout the world because it leads to dumb decisions. It is the official policy of the DCC and it can be blamed for Dave Cull’s bicycle obsession, the carpark removal policy, Jinty’s fruit and nut plantings idea, the impending destruction of the one-way traffic system, costly water metering for every house, higher costs to dump rubbish and banning cars from most of Dunedin’s CBD (not just the main street).

  13. JimmyJones

    And here is another comment for the same Your Say opinion rejected by the ODT:
    Green Politics In Dunedin
    I believe Philippa Jamieson when she says that Cr MacTavish has never been a Green Party member. She was, however, a founding member of Sustainable Dunedin City (SDC) – a Dunedin based political lobby group that promotes Sustainable Development/Agenda 21. Last year SDC was responsible for the moderately successful Wise Response political campaign and it has had a loose association with the Green Party NZ. The two organizations follow a very similar ideology. Jinty MacTavish resigned from SDC when she became a DCC councillor, but continues to promote the SDC ideology (with the help of Dave Cull and other councillors). From what I can tell, the DCC staff consider SDC to be a “stake-holder” and has provided funding to them. This could be considered to be a ratepayer funded political donation.

    Sustainable Development crusaders try to avoid the perception of being associated with party politics and will normally deny that they are political. Their purpose is, however, to promote various political ideologies, some of which are identical to the policies of some conventional political parties. The pretence of being non-political gives these people much more influence with central and local government. Don’t be fooled.

  14. @JimmyJones
    May 21, 2015 at 7:55 pm

    You say “Sustainable Development crusaders try to avoid the perception of being associated with party politics and will normally deny that they are political. Their purpose is, however, to promote various political ideologies, some of which are identical to the policies of some conventional political parties. The pretence of being non-political gives these people much more influence with central and local government. Don’t be fooled”

    Jimmy Jones you are absolutely right.
    And as much as Jinty MacTavish is in denial over this (witness her haughty and dismissive recent comment to Calvin Oaten on this matter) as reported in this blog that is precisely what they do and are about. It is patently clear as stated here in their own document that the United Nations expects to control all political agendas right down to the grass roots level including particularly local government.
    The likes of Cull and his so-called Greater Dunedin acolytes are simply ‘pwned’.

    United Nations Conference on Environment & Development
    Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, 3 to 14 June 1992
    AGENDA 21
    Agenda 21 – Chapter 28
    Basis for action
    28.1. Because so many of the problems and solutions being addressed by Agenda 21 have their roots in local activities, the participation and co-operation of local authorities will be a determining factor in fulfilling its objectives… ….As the level of governance closest to the people, they play a vital role in educating, mobilising and responding to the public to promote sustainable development’.

    {Link added. -Eds}

  15. Cars

    And don’t forget, the next secretary of the UN, comrade Helen, having weaved her spells on NZ, next the globe, oh dear.

  16. Calvin Oaten

    And don’t forget the Waipori Fund divestment policy just approved. No fossil fuels investments. This would have to be the most un-thought through move by a supposed responsible local council ever. Just pause for a moment and think of the products and by products in our modern society extracted from oil. All they can think of is burning it. Jinty is obsessed with the carbon fraud to the point where she cannot see the wood for the trees. Cr Hawkins of course is just a talking puppet.

    • @Calvin Oaten
      May 21, 2015 at 10:49 pm
      And also notice Calvin in this morning’s ODT (see below) that they are carrying on their spendthrift way and patently ignoring the advice and warnings of Mr McKenzie. One wonders how long he will stay.

      Dunedin City councillors have thrown their support behind a Mosgiel aquatic facility, despite a staff warning about council missing its debt targets.
      Without building a Mosgiel Pool debt level was forecast to be $223 million in 2021, $7 million below the council’s self-imposed $230 million target. If the council failed to meet that target it could affect the credit rating it received from Standard and Poors and Audit New Zealand’s view of its financial plan.

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