Stadium Tides = Subsidies (new English)


An insider said DVML paid $350,000 to get Rod Stewart here.
No doubt it was more.

The stadium is costing ratepayers +$20M pa to stay open.

Flood - Dave Granlund 129564_600 []

The rising value of New Zealand’s dollar against the Australian had closed the profit gap for promoters considering whether to cross the Tasman or add another Sydney show.

### ODT Online Sat, 11 Apr 2015
Sellout gets promoters’ full attention
By Chris Morris
Australasia’s biggest promoters are promising more big acts as Dunedin’s concert drought threatens to become a flood. Michael Gudinski once vowed never to return to Dunedin. But, more than three years after the accomplished Australian music promoter slammed the “completely unprofessional” managers at Forsyth Barr Stadium, he is back. Mr Gudinski is the man behind Frontier Touring, the company bringing Rod Stewart to Dunedin for tonight’s stadium concert.
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### ODT Online Sat, 11 Apr 2015
City in line for more top acts
By Chris Morris
Promoters for some of the world’s top musical performers say Dunedin is now firmly on the radar as a destination for a steady stream of headline acts. The glowing endorsement comes as Forsyth Barr Stadium prepares to host 25,000 fans at tonight’s Rod Stewart show. The concert, being brought to Dunedin by Frontier Touring, has also attracted three of Australasia’s top music promoters to Dunedin, eager to evaluate the event and the venue.
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*ODT understands Stewart is staying at the Scenic Hotel Southern Cross in High St, and that he arrived on Thursday night.

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35 responses to “Stadium Tides = Subsidies (new English)

  1. Elizabeth

    Related Post and Comments:
    6.2.14 Christchurch stadium

    “No stadium can make money unless it has millions of moneyed sports fans living within its catchment area.” –Lee Vandervis

  2. Hype O'Thermia

    In a sane society Lee Vandervis would be criticized as boring for mentioning “No stadium can make money unless it has millions of moneyed sports fans living within its catchment area” on the grounds that he was stating the bleeding obvious.
    In NZ he’s “negative, anti-progress, a nay-sayer”!

    God defend / heaven help……….

  3. Diane Yeldon

    What I can’t understand is why the powers that be would want to keep subsidising the Stadium and effectively bribing acts to use it. With ratepayers’ money, of course . This is a totally unsustainable strategy. In fact, I don’t think it is a strategy at all. Could it just be a sheer, bloody-minded inability to acknowledge that they were wrong? Rather like Hilter when he knew the war was irretrievably lost but stil continued to send German troops to their utterly pointless deaths?

    • Diane
      It is always easy to spend other people’s money – especially when the other people have no power to stop them. The parallels you draw to mein Fuhrer is not too far fetched.

  4. Hype O'Thermia

    Diane, there’s no question that it looks great. Sold Out! Sold out within moments of tickets being available! Scalpers, TradeMe! Exclamation points everywhere!!!!!!!!!!!
    Accommodation providers will do well from these events. Thank goodness someone will. Myself, I’m an ordinary ratepayer like my friends and neighbours. The only connection we have with the “success” of more events is on our rates bill, and as long as we’re still bribing performers to come here we won’t see our rates reducing.

  5. Elizabeth

    I don’t know anyone musically unsophisticated or common enough to enjoy Sleazy-Stewart.

    Providing links for site archiving purpose only:

    I do have sympathy for all in the Speights Stand and the TicketDirect stand who completely wasted their money, and got completely RIPPED OFF by DVML – even though they individually didn’t do their homework on stadium acoustics and sightlines, which has been well covered by media in the past.

    Glad some honesty appearing at ODT Online in the comments, given the bad reviews could’ve been deleted…..

    • Elizabeth

      ### April 13, 2015 – 6:22pm
      Rod Stewart concert at Forsyth Barr Stadium hailed a success
      The first of this year’s major international concerts at Forsyth Barr Stadium is being hailed as a success, fuelling hopes for future gigs.

  6. Peter

    ‘Glad some honesty appearing at ODT Online in the comments, given the bad reviews could’ve been deleted…..’
    Probably the tip of the iceberg, Elizabeth, given the ODT’s stadium lovefest.

    We are led to believe they have made improvements to the poor sound quality experienced at previous concerts… and now this latest instalment. I note Terry will still be working on The Problem for next time… and presumably the time after that.
    We have heard they have oversold the tickets to Fleetwood Mac by a couple of thousand or so. Now they are expecting 30,000 people. Not many seats left to block off for poor quality sound. You take your chances, folks.
    I suspect this sound problem will be ongoing with renewed assurances given after each concert and people sucked in, time and again, by those reassurances. Not sure how long you can keep this up, but I guess they figure you can ignore those ones who complain, as the satisfied customers will spread the good news and there will be new punters prepared to take their chances if they are, indeed, aware of the risks.
    Too bad, I say.

    • Hype O'Thermia

      Oops, the people who were unhappy about the quality of sound and sight-lines are coming forth now with considerable vehemence in online odt comments.

    • Diane Yeldon

      Good reviews, bad reviews – both leave out of any public debate the vast number of Dunedin residents who would never even consider paying $180 – $200 for a ticket and, in many cases, the equally vast numbers who would not even want to.

    • Mike

      To be fair Dunedin audiences do have a bit of a reputation to live up to:

  7. Diane Yeldon

    I suspect, reading between the lines, that Rod Stewart’s sound people were really, really good.

    • Hype O'Thermia

      Yes, apparently the sound system was provided and set up by them, freighted in as part of the staging for Rod Stewart’s shows.

  8. Elizabeth

    ### ODT Online Tue, 14 Apr 2015
    Apology over Rod Stewart ticket mix-up
    By Vaughan Elder
    Dunedin Venues Management Ltd has apologised for a ticketing mix-up which resulted in an Alexandra couple barely being able to see Rod Stewart.
    Sue Harris said their experience was ”terrible” after they came to Forsyth Barr Stadium on Saturday expecting tickets halfway down the pitch, only to be moved to the Mitre 10 stand following 45 minutes of confusion with different staff telling them different things. The couple were not the only ones affected by the mix-up.
    Read more

  9. Elizabeth

    Comment at ODT Online:

    Sound and drunks
    Submitted by Dunedin Dave on Mon, 13/04/2015 – 7:10pm.

    OK, I will totaly agree the sound was simply rubbish and the views from many seats led to a crook neck as you were forced to look either left or right all night. Of more concern was the large number of so-called adults who were totaly drunk beyond walking. Shame on those who threw up on themselves and the floor. I have to ask how can they be so intoxicated and how were they sold the alcohol to get that way? What happend to being a responsible host? This situation was manufactured by the stadium to maximise profits and was bad to see. Cont/


    Last year (2.8.14):
    Stadium caterer stung for more liquor-licence breaches

    • Peter

      Poor sound, sight line problems, pissed patrons, crowds….a fair number pissed off….expensive tickets, the performer a blip on the horizon. Yeah. A good night out.
      Oh and you end up standing instead of sitting in your paid for seats because the turkeys in front of you want to stand.

  10. Elizabeth


    ### June 5, 2015 – 6:03pm
    Rod Stewart concert economic impact report released
    An economic impact report shows the Rod Stewart concert brought in millions of dollars to the city. Just over 22,000 tickets were sold, of which about two thirds were bought by out-of-towners. It’s estimated they spent $8.4m while in Dunedin. Of all visitors, the largest group was from Canterbury, while thousands also travelled from throughout Otago and Southland. It’s estimated each visitor spent an average of almost $500. And the concert added $6.4m to the city’s gross domestic product.
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    • Elizabeth

      ODT follows up the Channel 39 news piece. Why are we (royal) not convinced.

      • Mike

        Again the claim that 12,000 people came here and spent 1-2 nights each … 12,000 is 1/10 our city’s population – do we really have 12,000 empty hotel rooms? of course not … at most we have room for ~4,800 guests (assuming some room sharing) based on DCC Tourism reporting of the past year’s guest totals and occupancy rates …. I guess the extra 8000 slept in the streets.

        • Hype O'Thermia

          True, Mike. Up our way you couldn’t move for them. The ones who couldn’t fit on the footpaths were zzzzzzzzz-ing on the street, comfortably encased in their sleeping bags.
          “It’s estimated each visitor spent an average of almost $500. ” Clearly the ones who didn’t pay fIt’s estimated each visitor spent an average of almost $500. or accommodation (they didn’t even offer us a beer for making our street impassible all night, don’t know if people in other streets were shown “appreciation”) bought lots of food and top-shelf liquor, perhaps some of them had forgotten to bring their sleeping bags and bought new ones in Dunedin.

  11. Hype O'Thermia

    “It’s estimated each visitor spent an average of almost $500.”
    Made up of…..?
    Travel? Airlines, vehicle costs. Amount spent in Dunedin with local business, a tank of petrol/diesel.
    Ticket? And how much of that stayed in Dunedin?
    Accommodation? Some, others stayed with friends and rellies as usual.
    Food and drink, yes, it’s unlikely they’d have brought their own sandwiches.
    $500 average? Yeahhhhhhhhhhhh.

  12. Rob Hamlin

    In the UK at present, but an interesting tidbit for those who wish to pursue the rich and famous in court. The perjury case against Andy Coulson (ex News of the World editor) collapsed this week.

    The case was dismissed by the judge not because the defendant did not lie under oath, but because the lying in question did not materially affect the case. Once the presiding judge had decided upon this this ‘fact’, he speedily discharged Mr Coulson on the basis that he had no case to answer. Ruling that this ‘was for him to decide rather than a jury’.

    Now I thought that perjury occured when you lie under oath – without any further qualification. Something about deliberately failing to tell the WHOLE truth etc, when you had formally promised to do so.

    The decison also raises an additional interesting question. When you lie under oath, how can you (at the moment that you are lying) be fully sure that the lying that you are doing will not materially affect a case that has yet to run its full course?

    Seems like a ‘coach and four’ loophole doesn’t it – that needs to be closed without delay if the justice system is to retain any credibility whatsoever.

    • Diane Yeldon

      Interesting. There has always been an issue in my mind with the requirement to ‘tell the whole truth’. Who knows that? I suppose what is intended is that the speaker should not be intentionally misleading, particularly by omitting information deemed relevant. But deemed relevant by whom? This all reminds me of the declarations currently required by Work and Income. You not only have to solemnly declare that everything you have said on your form is true, that you have not left anything relevant out (how can you determine that?) but also that you have understood it all. This is when sometimes it simply doesn’t make sense. And you have to complete the form so you are forced to lie. Same thing happens when you take out a mortgage. You have to make a declaration that you have understood it, when there is so much complicated fine print that the chances are that even your lawyer doesn’t understand it and a court would argue for months about what the agreement actually entails. Same with your tax declaration – you have to affirm that you understand it or you can’t complete it. But you are legally required to complete it. I certainly didn’t understand mine. I didn’t have access to enough information to understand it and I knew my chances of getting it within the time frame were negligible. So I approximated on the side of paying far too much.
      Contracts with clauses like this exist only for one reason – so that the people or agencies with the greater power to draft them always come out on top. I think citizens now need an additional civil liberty – the right to not understand – especially the incomprehensible. Or perhaps only to be forced to answer yes or no questions with an option of ‘Cannot honestly declare either.’
      What really bothers me about this is that you are forced to lie and then if it all turns to custard the very crime you will be accused of is lying. Just like Kafka. I ease my mind with the thought that contracts made under this kind of duress are not valid in an ethical sense. However, there’s little doubt a court would currently uphold them.
      One of the reasons I find local government so interesting is because there’s so much lying and sheer nonsense pronounced and taken seriously. It took me years to understand the disconnect between what they write down they are going to do and why and then claim in writing that they are doing and finally what actually happens. We need semantic audits as well as financial ones. Voltaire: those who believe absurdities commit atrocities.

  13. Calvin Oaten

    Who said anything about the justice system having any credibility? That is simply an old wives tale. Look at Justice Chisholm’s decision in the STS case re the DCC’s financial description of the Stadium funding. “I don’t understand the exercise but I am going to rule in favour of the DCC.” That is exactly where he should have recused himself and passed it to another judge. But as they say. “justice should not only be done but it should be seen to be done.” I and many others are still looking, but not holding our breaths.

  14. Elizabeth

    ### ODT Online Mon, 29 Jun 2015
    Refund for unhappy Rod Stewart fans
    By David Loughrey
    Four ticket holders unhappy with the sound at the Rod Stewart concert at Forsyth Barr Stadium in April have been given a partial refund by the concert’s promoter. One of the concert-goers, an Auckland man who asked that his name not be used, said the four received $500 from Frontier Touring after filing a Disputes Tribunal claim.
    Read more





    There are no good words to say! Apart from the truth that DCC is evil.

    ### ODT Online Mon, 29 Jun 2015
    Stadium profit forecast
    By Chris Morris
    The company running Dunedin’s Forsyth Barr Stadium is poised to deliver its first profit on the back of tighter finances and a cash injection from ratepayers. Dunedin Venues Management Ltd is forecasting a profit of $395,000 for 2015/16, rising to $440,000 and $500,000 in the following two years.
    Read more

    • Peter

      You don’t have to go to Fantasyland at Disneyland, Anaheim, California.
      It’s all right here. Where subsidies become profits.
      There is a great opening for a new NZ drama here in Dunedin, one that could knock Shortland St off its perch. There is conflict, conflicted personalities, comedy, lies and subterfuge, bizarre people and events. Not much additional scriptwriting needed, only editing for repitition to be avoided.
      Only thing missing is a title.

    • Just looking at this DCC document on moving the Stadium to DCHL:

      Click to access ma_council_r_DCHL-CapEx_2015_06_29.pdf

      “The annual payment to DVL for debt servicing and renewals funding is $2.550 million. Following the transfer of ownership of DVL to DCHL, these annual payments will be made by DCHL. DCHL will then make an annual call on capital of $2.550 million to the Council.”
      ie $2.5 million per year which was paid by DVL will now be paid for by ratepayers: yet another Stadium rort.

      • Elizabeth

        Alistair, it never ends – ratepayers treated as sponges for every corrupt billing thought up by institutional thieves and fraudsters, with Professional Rugby in their pockets.

  15. Hype O'Thermia

    Keep on moving it around, it’s great the way people lose track of where it is now. From there it’s a short step to convincing them it was never there at all.
    And then with a quick twirl or twerk, “We made a profit!!!”
    ODT holds up sign to audience: APPLAUSE.
    And they mostly obey with enthusiastic hand-clapping and shouts of “Baaaa!”

  16. Elizabeth

    I said yesterday that DVML’s chief executive Terry Davies had gone silent, sunk outa sight ~!! Been quite a while since he last shot off his fool mouth (in between times we’ve had to deal with Liability Cull’s unfortunate media utterings).

    Anyhoo, TerrenceUndiesDavies is back (!!) to say Iron Maiden has fallen through but there is big news pending for another rock legend to flit to the Stadyum. Should we cream our pants, or is it too soon.

    • Elizabeth

      Iron Maiden – yuck, no loss.
      More hot air of nothingness from DVML.

      ### ODT Online Fri, 28 Aug 2015
      Dunedin not on Iron Maiden tour but …
      By Chris Morris
      Iron Maiden fans might be disappointed, but Dunedin’s legion of hard rock lovers can take heart. Dunedin will not be on the tour schedule when the veteran British rockers jet into New Zealand next year, but another big rock act looks set to perform in Dunedin instead.
      Read more

  17. Elizabeth

    Nota bene….

    Part of the venue’s new found success with promoters was that it was being marketed as “a hybrid”, a stadium “that delivers an arena experience because of the roof”.

    ### Last updated 16:52, September 6 2015
    Dunedin’s stadium pushing to be South Island’s top concert venue
    By Hamish McNeilly
    The man behind Dunedin’s Forsyth Barr Stadium is promising more big music acts, as the facility pushes to become the South Island’s number one concert venue. Black Sabbath became the latest act confirmed to play the venue, joining a list which includes Elton John, Aerosmith, Paul Simon, Rod Stewart, Neil Diamond and Fleetwood Mac since the stadium opened its gates in 2011. Dunedin Venues Management Ltd chief executive Terry Davies said the list was not going to stop there. He hoped to confirm two more possible concerts for the latter half of 2016, and while many of the acts were of a similar genre it was “critical to tap into the youth market”.
    Read more


    • Hype O'Thermia

      ‘Part of the venue’s new found success with promoters was that it was being marketed as “a hybrid”…’

      A camel is a horse designed by a committee …
      In this figure of speech, the distinguishing features of a camel, such as its humps and poor temperament, are taken to be the deformities that resulted from its poor design.

      “The term is used to refer to suboptimal traits that such a process may produce as a result of having to compromise between the requirements and viewpoints of the participants, particularly in the presence of poor leadership or poor technical knowledge, such as needless complexity, internal inconsistency, logical flaws, banality, and the lack of a unifying vision.”

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