DCC: Mosgiel Pool private workshop Tuesday (tomorrow)

Updated post Wed 4 Mar 2015 at 7:55 p.m.

According to Mayor Cull all on his lonesome….

### dunedintv.co.nz March 4, 2015 – 7:03pm
Mosgiel pool development expected within five years
A new swimming pool complex at Mosgiel is likely to be developed within the next five years. That’s the expectation of Dunedin Mayor Dave Cull, following a planning workshop on the proposal. He says there’s likely to be a crucial decision made even sooner.
Video

Pool 7Proposed Taieri Aquatic Centre [click to enlarge]

Taieri Community Facilities Trust (aka ‘Pooling Together’) — Who we are

### ODT Online Sun, 1 Mar 2015
Workshop to discuss Mosgiel pool options
Source: The Star [primary: DCC media release 24.2.15]
Dunedin City Councillors and the Taieri Communities Facilities Trust (TCFT) will hold a workshop on Tuesday to discuss proposals to build a new pool in Mosgiel. Mayor Dave Cull said the workshop, on March 3, would be an opportunity to discuss the framework around which the decision-making process needs to be based.
During Long Term Plan (LTP) discussions last month, the council agreed to include information on two-pool, three-pool and four-pool Mosgiel Pool options as unfunded options in the LTP consultation document for public feedback in March and April.
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RESPONSE
Submitted to ODT Online. Not published.

Private facilities trust
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Submitted by ej kerr on Sun, 01/03/2015 – 6:24pm.

TCFT is a private trust, its trustee board has not been democratically elected; the trust does not represent the Mosgiel-Taieri community or indeed the Dunedin community, comprising all residents and ratepayers.

Based on two reports from the trust to DCC (here and here, the second being a revision), both dated 21.01.15, there appears to have been no thorough community consultation whatsoever. The reports, as reviewed by council staff, appear to hold little credence in terms of identified issues and options, and that old chestnut, affordability (or not).

Critically accurate budget costings are not provided.

Projected figures would need to be realistic before full and proper community consultation occurs – but which ‘community(s)’ is it for canvass?

At this stage, to emphasise, the figures appear to be both contrived and substantially deficient. But there are wider matters too, for our collective consideration, affecting the future of the Mosgiel-Taieri area in relation to the greater city area which are sidestepped or completely omitted.

The idea that the trust (with help of council politicians and old boy networks?) is bulldozing to get a pool project budget line into the Long Term Plan is all rather previous, given their lobbying appears to be based on very poor homework akin to winks nudges between self-interested cronies, including Mosgiel-Taieri housing developers (effecting sprawl) and the local business association (mainstreet impresarios).

This ‘much of a fuss’ politicking isn’t helped by recent statements coming from trust chairman Michael Stedman, and the explicit two party / three party confusions of the latest council media release. Mr Stedman knows full well the mounting pressures of the stadium project on council debt levels and service delivery, with consequent erosion of ratepayers’ private wealth as our local population ages. Yet, was he ecstatically happy to compound all that by mustering those who would dive into a pool project for (only guessing) ‘elites’, without checking depth or other safety considerations for the already lumbered Dunedin community. Ah, the true mark of a leader.

█ The trust’s initial intention to meet with members of the Mosgiel-Taieri Community Board? Invitation lost in the mail.

Related Posts and Comments:
● 20.2.15 Taieri Aquatic Centre: 2nd try for SECRET meeting —hosted by Mayor
● 13.2.15 ‘Taieri Aquatic Centre’, email from M. Stedman via B. Feather
● 10.2.14 Dunedin City Councillors invited to Secret Meeting #Mosgiel
21.1.15 Dunedin City Council to set rates WAY ABOVE….
15.1.15 Did the pool trust reply, Dr Hamlin?
11.10.14 New Mosgiel Pool trust declared —(ready to r**t)
23.7.14 Mosgiel Pool: Taieri Times, ODT…. mmm #mates
16.7.14 Stadium: Exploiting CST model for new Mosgiel Pool #GOBs
4.2.14 DCC: Mosgiel Pool, closed-door parallels with stadium project…
30.1.14 DCC broke → More PPPs to line private pockets and stuff ratepayers
20.1.14 DCC Draft Annual Plan 2014/15 [see this comment & ff]
16.11.13 Community board (Mosgiel-Taieri) clandestine meetings
25.1.12 Waipori Fund – inane thinkings from a councillor
19.5.10 DScene – Public libraries, Hillside Workshops, stadium, pools
12.4.10 High-performance training pool at stadium?

Pool 2Pool 4Pool 6Pool 5

Posted by Elizabeth Kerr

*Scanned images: These renders by Baker Garden Architects were presented in a project report from the Taieri Community Facilities Trust to the Council during pre-draft Long Term Plan 2015/16 meetings in January. Extra copies were provided for the public gallery. [public domain]

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18 responses to “DCC: Mosgiel Pool private workshop Tuesday (tomorrow)

  1. Night Rider

    Overheard from behind the rubbish bin in Bath St, five Councillors, plus a lookout, were huddled at the bend in Bath St discussing the pool situation out at Mosgiel. One rather tall gentleman, who looked like one of the beetles (quite someone has just arrived on a bicycle), and another who looked like he had spent the night with the beetles, were doing all the talking. It appears that they want to kill the Mosgiel pool project, but they have a problem. The scruffy one has suggested that if after the next representational review Mosgiel could be brought into the central city ward, and those votes from out Mosgiel could determine the future of some of us city Councillors, so shouldn’t we put some money into the Long Term Plan. A rather short gentleman suggested that after the next elections and we are safely back at the trough, we could let it fall off the Long Term Plan and nobody would notice. A rather high pitched voice let out a squeal. “Oh this is fun. It is like being at the races, where you have a dollar each way to make sure you get back in.” With that, a large European gentleman is seen walking down Stuart St, towards Bath St, swearing under his breath at council staff. The group in Bath st, scurry away, not wanting this wild European gentleman to see them discussing their plans on how they intend to get themselves re-elected.

  2. Night Rider

    There were tears enough to fill a pool coming from some of the trustees, after leaving the secret meeting tonight. Things don’t look good. A couple of Councillors and trustees were seen scurrying down Bath St, licking their wounds.

    • Elizabeth

      Night Rider, if by “don’t look good” I should infer a victory for ratepayers (ie upgrade of existing pool instead of a new complex) then I will be circumspect at a time of potential grief.

      BUT likely there’s more stormwater to flow in Bath St, I fear.

  3. Night Rider

    Victory for ratepayers ? Don’t hold your breath on that one Elizabeth. But you may need to if you head down Bath St, There is a foul smell lingering after a good thing turned to bad. I did get a wiff that plan “B” maybe about to be pulled from the hat. Watch this space.

    • Elizabeth

      Thus my reference to stormwater. No-one in this plot is capable of playing straight. You’re right, it smells like wastewater.

  4. Elizabeth

    Every good piece of housing sprawl on the Taieri needs one, especially with a new pool complex close by. Brown is the second coming. Plan B starts to roll out.

    Note the timing. How to assist own coffers (again?). Surely not.

    Someone is starting to creak, after all.

    Next step, the Brown Memorial Rest Home and Hospital to be located on further of the Taieri’s high class soils.

    ### ODT Online Wed, 4 Mar 2015
    New health centre possible
    By Eileen Goodwin
    A new health centre may be built in Mosgiel, but the plan is in its ”embryo” phase, subdivision developer Syd Brown says. Mr Brown confirmed yesterday he might develop a ”one-stop shop” health centre to form part of his Highland Park subdivision in Hagart Alexander Dr.
    Read more

  5. Jock Strap

    Mosgiel is becoming known as the retirement town for Otago. The biggest undertakers holding pen in the South Island.
    What Mosgiel needs is the replacement of the thousands of jobs that disappeared under Syd’s watch. F&P, Fortex and Wood moldings, just to name a few.
    Mosgiel is well served with medical centre. Why more ?
    Maybe the good Lord needs to cycle around Mosgiel and see what the natives need instead cycling around Fubar stadium looking for photo opportunities.

    • “A new health centre may be built in Mosgiel, but the plan is in its “embryo” phase, subdivision developer Syd Brown says.

      Mr Brown said many people wrongly surmised the new early child care centre was a health centre. There’s a lot of people telling me what’s happening, he said.”

      He should know. Of course it’s not. They are all past both male and female menopause out there, it’s obviously a SECOND childhood centre – perhaps for the bewildered. Not much chance of the “embryo” he is on about getting fertilized though. He might be better to think about another crematorium but then he would likely regard that idea as ‘Hopeless’ right now.

  6. Elizabeth

    Night Rider you are WAY off beam. See here.
    Frigging bulldozer Cull electioneering alert. How will he square with his sweet J MacTavish and the spatial plan? How can he claim a decision will be made soon – he has no authority WHATSOEVER to say so at this time.

    Mayoral Escalation

    ### dunedintv.co.nz March 4, 2015 – 7:03pm
    Mosgiel pool development expected within five years
    A new swimming pool complex at Mosgiel is likely to be developed within the next five years. That’s the expectation of Dunedin Mayor Dave Cull, following a planning workshop on the proposal. He says there’s likely to be a crucial decision made even sooner.
    Video

    Meanwhile….
    Tomorrow’s ODT has news …DCC’s planner recommends the application for a new supermarket at Mosgiel be declined. [it’s only a recommendation, the hearings committee does not have to agree with the planner’s advice]

    DCC giveth (to the rich) with one hand, taketh away with the other – CALL IT AD HOC PLANNING AS PER USUAL

    Yes, a typical bloody DCC lolly scramble. No wonder Brown is pouncing with a health centre for his own pedicures, nails and make-up, to make himself look beautiful in his dotage. The old squirt.

    • Night Rider

      Elizabeth. How dare you accuse Night Rider of being “way off beam”. Go back and read my entry on the 3 March. Plan “B” GIRL Plan “B”. They held back after the meeting, waiting till everybody had left. Then devised Plan “B”. It was mentioned in Bath St, that the workshop was only a fishing trip, and by golly Plan ‘B’ hooked Dave, hook line and sinker.

      • Elizabeth

        Night Rider, the girl has backtracked. Yeah. You at least are off the hook. Not so, our Mr Liability Cull talking through a hole in his neck.

    • Elizabeth

      Sydney ‘drainage paid for by ratepayers’ Brown is definitely pushing his self-interested boat again; this time to get the proposed pool complex and private housing sprawl underway, given what B Feather from the ‘say no more’ Mosgiel-Taieri Community Board, is saying.

      “I applaud the developer Syd Brown’s foresight,” Mr Feather said.

      ### ODT Online Wed, 11 Mar 2015
      Board welcomes health centre proposal
      By Eileen Goodwin
      The prospect of a new health centre in Mosgiel has been welcomed by the chairman of the local community board. Bill Feather, of the Mosgiel Taieri Community Board, is pleased about developer Syd Brown’s vision for a multi-service health centre. If built, it will be part of Mr Brown’s Highland Park subdivision in Hagart Alexander Dr.
      Read more

  7. Elizabeth

    Top five Posts* after the Home page/Archives tonight (in descending order):

    DCC: Mosgiel Pool private workshop Tuesday (tomorrow)
    DCC internal audits
    Significant Tree: 23 Church St, Mosgiel
    Same again, Dunedin City District Plan about to be ignored
    Campbell Live | TXT POLL: Does NZ need a new flag?

    *You have been visiting a total of 118 Posts (individual pages) at What if? since midnight.

    Note the Mosgiel-Taieri Community Board was invited to the private workshop despite the lack of mention in the DCC media release.

    ███ People attending the workshop last night, including politicians and council staff, are shocked by Mayor Cull’s messaging at Dunedin TV News (Ch39) this evening.

    • @Elizabeth
      March 4, 2015 at 10:22 pm

      “People attending the workshop last night, including politicians and council staff, are shocked by Mayor Cull’s messaging at Dunedin TV News (Ch39) this evening.”
      Well—
      The cupboard is bare and Daaave thinks he can still promise everything and nobody will notice. But Daaave has nothing. He has dived into the deep end with no bathers. And as the great man said…………….Only when the tide goes out do you discover who’s been swimming naked.”

      Warren Buffett

  8. Hype O'Thermia

    We won’t wait till they’ve raised their $7.5M, we’ll make a commitment before that, says the Wally With A Fringe On Top.

    My memory’s not what it used to be. Perhaps someone can help me. Was there something about someone raising rather a lot of money for the Fubar Stadium, then when the council had made a commitment to build it, the eager donors realised it was going ahead whether they reached into their own pockets or not? No, surely not. That couldn’t happen…
    …twice.

  9. Elizabeth

    Why is there no follow up at ODT today on the pool project and why is the Mayor seemingly allowing himself to decide the project’s future on his own. His announcement on Ch39 News last night was bizarre in the least. Is Daaave losing the plot. Everyone at the meeting was reminded that for every million of expenditure there is a subsequent 1% increase in DCC rates. Where is Mr Stedman now? Are we waiting for a joint public statement from these ratepayer-dependent arseholes prepared to take us deeper into the financial abyss ?!

  10. Jacob

    How can Cull claim after the meeting, of an expectation of a new pool in Mosgiel within the next 5 years. When it was only a workshop that was organized to explain things like the spatial plan to the Trust.
    It would appear that the meeting was in fact a secret meeting to exclude the ratepayers so that the Trust could present their half truths, without any records being kept of the …….. that were being told.
    It appears from what Cull is saying, that it was a meeting where decisions WERE made, at what was supposed to be a workshop.

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