The Moment of Truth

On the National-led Government of New Zealand: “You’re dealing with a government that has systemic issues of political corruption.” –Bob Amsterdam, Dotcom’s lawyer (TV1’s Q+A)

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30 responses to “The Moment of Truth

  1. Elizabeth

    Updated post.

  2. Elizabeth

    Glenn Greenwald said he was amazed at the names that John Key had called him. Henchman. Loser. It’s not everyday you get to say that you will not sink to the level of the head of state, he mused. New Zealand should be proud of a leader who has “completely unburdened himself” of dignity or statesman-like behaviour.

    ### NZ Herald Online 5:00 AM Tuesday Sep 16, 2014
    Derek Cheng: Guest star leaves it all out there
    Laila Harre first hinted at problems when she alluded to “a special guest” who may or may not show up for The Moment of Truth. People were expecting a video link with NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden […] And then the huge blank screen at the Auckland Town Hall suddenly switched to reveal Edward Snowden, smiling, looking relaxed in a black shirt and dark blue jacket. There were cheers, whistles, foot-stomping, as the packed audience rose to its feet. And Snowden didn’t disappoint. He was humbled by the crowd reaction – which was reportedly so large that people were turned away. He spoke at length and articulately about his own experience with New Zealanders’ metadata while he was working at the US’s National Security Agency. He almost let too many secrets out.

    Read the full article and 149 comments at

  3. Elizabeth

    ### NZ Herald Online 11:24 AM Tuesday Sep 16, 2014
    Dotcom telling the truth over email – Harre
    By David Fisher
    Internet Party leader Laila Harre says she has no doubt Kim Dotcom is telling the truth about an email purporting to show John Key was involved in a plan to get him extradited to the US. […] The email, dated October 27, 2010, purports to be from Warner Brothers chairman and chief executive Kevin Tsujihara to a senior executive at the Motion Picture Association of America – the lobby group for the Hollywood studios. However, Warner Bros told the Herald yesterday the email was a fake. […] Asked why Dotcom declined to comment on the email last night, Ms Harre said he’d received legal advice not to do so. “The strong advice to him was to make sure that this evidence was put before a proper judicial process. That is what Parliament’s privileges committee is. He followed the advice, rather than his gut instinct to share everything yesterday. In a press conference after last night’s event, Dotcom stood by the email. “I believe it to be 100 per cent true.”

  4. Elizabeth

    Labour Leader David Cunliffe said he wanted tomorrow night’s final televised leaders’ debate extended, partly as a result of the issues highlighted by last night’s Moment of Truth event.

    ### NZ Herald Online 12:17 PM Tuesday Sep 16, 2014
    PM calls for evidence of surveillance
    by Claire Trevett
    Prime Minister John Key has challenged Edward Snowden and Glenn Greenwald to front up with evidence of their claims of mass surveillance and NSA bases in New Zealand. Mr Key responded this morning to Snowden’s claims that New Zealanders’ metadata was included in the XKeyscore data harvesting programme used by the US and that there were two NSA bases in New Zealand. […] Mr Key refused to discuss the use of XKeyscore and whether the GCSB had access to it, but said the law did not allow GCSB to carry out mass surveillance. […] He said he had also checked overnight with the head of the GCSB Ian Fletcher and former head of the GCSB Bruce Ferguson and both had told him there were no NSA bases in New Zealand. The Five Eyes parties had an agreement not to spy on each other. Mr Key said NSA staff were sometimes in New Zealand on secondments, but there were no actual bases.


    █ Video Cunliffe: Spying – ‘Whats’s going on?’
    2:54 PM Tuesday Sep 16, 2014

    █ Video Snowden, Assange, Dotcom accuse NZ govt. of spying
    12:43 PM Tuesday Sep 16, 2014

    XKeyscore allows security agencies to search vast databases and nearly everything a person does on the internet, including the emails they have sent and websites they have visited.

    Speargun is a “mass surveillance program”. Key said Speargun did not exist, “and never has”…

    Cortex, by design, has to filter through communications to identify attacks and to function must have access to the Southern Cross cable. Key said it replaces Speargun.

    ### Stuff Last updated 13:26 16/09/2014
    XKeyscore, Speargun: Key digs in on spook claims
    By Stacey Kirk/Fairfax NZ
    Prime Minister John Key is refusing to comment on claims from a former spy boss that New Zealand agents were trained to use snooping software. Sir Bruce Ferguson, who was director of the Government Communications Security Bureau 2006 and 2011, declined to comment on specific programmes, including XKeyscore, but said: “As far as programmes in general are concerned, certainly the GCSB gets trained in them; otherwise how can you operate them?”
    Article + █ Video ‘John Key responds to claims from NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden about GCSB and NSA surveillance in NZ.’

  5. Peter

    Where has the folksy John Key gone, the guy with the ready grin, even under fire, who never seems rattled and would normally not hit back with name calling?
    David Cunliffe did a superb job last night on TV when given his take on the whole affair. It was the first time, for me, that he looked Prime Ministerial. He came across as genuine.
    Even if he gets back Key is wounded and I suspect it won’t be long before he unravels or is unravelled.

    Also. ‘He (Key) said he had also checked overnight with the head of the GCSB Ian Fletcher and former head of the GCSB Bruce Ferguson and both had told him there were no NSA bases in New Zealand.’ This sounds like bullshit to me. He is the minister in charge of the spooks. He either knows this vital information or not. Yeah, John. Put it on others to lie or deny.

    • Hype O'Thermia

      Re “‘He (Key) said he had also checked overnight with the head of the GCSB Ian Fletcher and former head of the GCSB Bruce Ferguson and both had told him there were no NSA bases in New Zealand’ ” and “He either knows this vital information or not.”

      If this were “Yes Minister” I am sure Sir Humphrey would manage for nobody to know anything, and nobody to tell a lie. He would point out to the Minister that if the civil servants were asked a question they would be obliged to answer it truthfully. If the Minister was told something inconvenient he would be unable to say truthfully that he did not know. In both cases should lying be found out the consequences would be “most unfortunate, destabilising even”. Thus, since avoiding the civil servants would also be inadvisable, over the years a protocol for such situations had been developed, that is now a time-honoured tradition in our proud history of stable democracy – unlike our cousins across the Channel. [spoken with a discreet smirk]

      “Well, Civil Swerve-ants, everything seems to be going smoothly in the extraordarily valuable not to say sensitive work that is your responsibility. Are there any issues that may cause concern, anything untoward that you feel I should know about, or is it all under control?”
      “All ticketty-boo, shipshape and Bristol fashion, Minister,” the CS respond. “And if we might mention it, we appreciate the opportunity to have this full and frank discussion with you, sir.”

  6. This whole business has turned into John Key’s giant ‘tar baby’. He would have been far better off if he had opted for being tossed into the ‘bramble bush’ like Brer Rabbit. He could then have run away and hid. Not now, he is so compromised that it is hard to imagine anyone taking anything he says as gospel. Even if he tries, he can no longer not leave a shadow of doubt lingering. Whether or not this influences many but the thinkers will only be revealed at election day. On past results probably, the apathetic voter will just ‘tick’ as usual.

  7. Willyaway

    Peter you sound like you are still pissed off about the All Blacks beating your guys 51-20. Get over it.
    I suggest you look a bit closer at your hero David Cunliffe and his family affairs. Sounds like Mrs Cunliffe has a close association similar to what Judith Collins has been accused of.
    A Director and one third share holder of NZCX Limited that has teamed up with International brokerage firm ICAP. Together they form NZ’s largest single broker in the trade of carbon credits under the NZ ETS.
    Labour implemented the NZ ETS scheme in 2008.
    Couldn’t possibly be a conflict of interest for the Cunliffes, could it?

    • Peter

      Willyaway. Who said they…Labour…were my team? All I was saying was Cunliffe impressed me on this occasion. Like Key has at times.
      Not sure about the few details you give about Mrs Cunliffe. First I have heard about this. Any conflict of interest means you butt out, not just declare it and continue with reassurances you are managing them. This goes for any party.

  8. Elizabeth

    ### Tuesday 16 September 2014
    Morning Report with Susie Ferguson and Guyon Espiner

    Intelligence analyst says mass collection clear ( 4′ 12″ )
    07:24 Earlier we spoke to intelligence analyst, Paul Buchanan from 36th Parallel Assessments. He says it’s clear data is collected from New Zealanders but it’s not clear just how much is looked at.
    Audio | Downloads: Ogg MP3


    ### Tuesday 16 September 2014
    Nine to Noon with Kathryn Ryan

    Former GSCB head on Snowden claims about mass surveillance ( 12′ 8″ )
    09:08 Former NSA contractor and now whistleblower, Edward Snowden, has claimed that New Zealanders’ information was accessed by a mass surveillance tool the NSA shared with NZ’s Government Communications Security Bureau and other Five Eyes partners, called XKeyscore. Training materials for the mass surveillance programme XKeyScore said it was the NSA’s widest reaching intelligence system. It allows security officials to search vast databases of nearly everything a typical user does on the internet, including the content of emails, websites visited and searches, as well as metadata. A February 2008 presentation released by Edward Snowden said it was top secret to Five Eyes countries, including New Zealand, and a map showed New Zealand as one of the programme’s locations. The Prime Minister John Key refuses to comment on XKeyscore at all, but he says there is not, and never has been, a cable access surveillance programme operating in New Zealand. Sir Bruce Ferguson was Director of the Government Communications Security Bureau between 2006 and 2010. He comments on Mr Snowden’s claims.
    Audio | Downloads: OggMP3

  9. Elizabeth

    ### The Intercept 15.9.14
    The Questions for New Zealand on Mass Surveillance
    By Ryan Gallagher @rj_gallagher
    Yesterday, we revealed details at The Intercept about the New Zealand government’s secret plan to access data from the country’s main internet cable. The government has since denied that the project was ever completed — but its statements in the past 24 hours have raised more questions than they have answered and deserve some closer scrutiny.
    The surveillance project we revealed — named Speargun — was listed as “underway” in classified documents from New Zealand’s GCSB spy agency in March 2012. In early 2013, an NSA document listed the first phase of the project as having been achieved. It noted that the second phase — which would entail inserting covert “metadata probes” — was scheduled to begin later the same year following the passing of a new surveillance law. That law was approved in August 2013.
    While publicly New Zealand government officials were reassuring the public that the new law would not lead to an expansion of powers, behind closed doors GCSB was preparing to install its metadata probes — which would have constituted the biggest expansion of GCSB’s surveillance reach in decades.


    ### The Intercept 15.9.14
    Snowden: New Zealand’s Prime Minister Isn’t Telling the Truth About Mass Surveillance
    By Edward Snowden Yesterday at 4:33 PM
    Like many nations around the world, New Zealand over the last year has engaged in a serious and intense debate about government surveillance. The nation’s prime minister, John Key of the National Party, has denied that New Zealand’s spy agency GCSB engages in mass surveillance, mostly as a means of convincing the country to enact a new law vesting the agency with greater powers. This week, as a national election approaches, Key repeated those denials in anticipation of a report in The Intercept today exposing the Key government’s actions in implementing a system to record citizens’ metadata.
    Let me be clear: any statement that mass surveillance is not performed in New Zealand, or that the internet communications are not comprehensively intercepted and monitored, or that this is not intentionally and actively abetted by the GCSB, is categorically false. If you live in New Zealand, you are being watched. At the NSA I routinely came across the communications of New Zealanders in my work with a mass surveillance tool we share with GCSB, called “XKEYSCORE”. It allows total, granular access to the database of communications collected in the course of mass surveillance. It is not limited to or even used largely for the purposes of cybersecurity, as has been claimed, but is instead used primarily for reading individuals’ private email, text messages, and internet traffic. I know this because it was my full-time job in Hawaii, where I worked every day in an NSA facility with a top secret clearance.

  10. Elizabeth

    Greenwald said he hopes to complete his investigations before the UN Security Council votes on whether to give New Zealand a non-permanent seat.

    ### Stuff Last updated 16:07 16/09/2014
    NZ spied on Pacific neighbours – Greenwald
    By Andrea Vance
    The Snowden files will show New Zealand spied on its Pacific neighbours and other Western democracies, journalist Glenn Greenwald says.
    Fugitive whistle-blower Edward Snowden has claimed that Kiwis have been subject to mass surveillance through the contentious spyware XKeyscore. He has also said that the US National Security Agency (NSA) has two facilities in New Zealand – a claim that is denied by Prime Minister John Key.
    Greenwald – one of the recipients of the vast cache of NSA documents leaked by Snowden – said there were more “significant” disclosures to come about New Zealand’s foreign spy agency, the Government Communications Security Bureau.

  11. Elizabeth

    ### NZ Herald Online 12:45 PM Wednesday Sep 17, 2014
    John Key concedes Edward Snowden ‘may well be right’
    Prime Minister John Key acknowledged today that NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden’s claim that New Zealanders’ data is accessible through the controversial XKeyscore system “may well be right”.

    • Elizabeth

      The ODT editor might have to re-think himself, so too the dismissive Geddis…

      Wider examination needed
      “Mr Snowden released much of the information being discussed in New Zealand this week. It is disappointing he made the claims without providing any documented proof, even allowing for what University of Otago Professor Andrew Geddis describes as his “good track record”. Mr Key has been very careful in his statements around spying, and with good reason.”

  12. This is looking like ‘The Death by a Thousand Cuts’ to the National party. But it will drag out long after the election, which may well still see it back in the driver’s seat. It is post election that it will play itself out, by which time it will be too late for the public to do anything. Sad really, as New Zealand is likely to become an international ‘pariah’ like Australia with Indonesia and Canada with Brazil, the USA with Germany. The ‘five Eyes’ programme is just a set up for the USA, and it is sycophants like NZ who will be caught in the ‘downdraft’. Our relations with China and most of our trading partner nations will be reassessed as to their positioning with us as reliable people with whom to trust in business. Not good.

    • Elizabeth

      Worth catching interviews on RNZ National’s Morning Report today – definitely more to come!
      █ Audio

      Hear Glenn Greenwald, Nicky Hager, Guardian journalist Julian Borger, and Cheryl Gwyn, Inspector-General of Intelligence and Security.


      RNZ National’s Nine to Noon today – Election week interview with National Party’s John Key
      █ Audio

      John Key on his party’s policies, including the modest tax cut promise and his potential coalition or support partners after Saturday’s election. He discusses the claims of dirty dealings with right wing bloggers and claims of mass surveillance of New Zealand citizens, both of which he’s denied.

  13. Hype O'Thermia

    Distraction is it, eh? Interruptions of sales pitch, stopping us concentrating on spin? There ought to be a law against it. When the perps have been identified or there’s near-enough suspicion thanks to the international network devoted to protecting our security (ahem!) these rotters can be persecuted as they so richly deserve. If NZ’s laws don’t cover the situation another country’s will.

    • Elizabeth

      It’s deep and murky Hype – hope Mr Greenwald can process his report on Snowden’s information release asap, it won’t be in time for voting in this year’s elections but expect some spicy revelations. Some (individuals/corporates/politicians et al…) will wish they had never used computers or smartphones, ever. With toys come SERIOUS distractions. Don’t want Sydney situation @NZ.

  14. Elizabeth

    The waters had been further muddied by the unprecedented rate of advance voting – already ticking over more than 500,000 votes.

    ### Stuff Last updated 17:35 19/09/2014
    Election 2014: All over bar the voting
    – Stuff political reporters
    It is a race to the finish line as the 2014 election campaign draws to a close with a barnstorming run up the North Island by National’s John Key while Labour leader David Cunliffe honed in on vote-rich Auckland.
    During a day of bizarre allegations, angry protests, frantic walkabouts and last-minute appeals to supporters to get out and vote, the nation’s politicians squeezed in art galleries, coffee shops, selfies and placard waving before the blackout on campaigning kicks in at midnight tonight.
    Read more

    • Elizabeth

      Sean Plunket’s mixed panel at PrimeTV (9:30pm ff) agreed that generally, David Cunliffe (Labour) has come out ahead of John Key (National) in the televised leadership debates.

  15. Elizabeth

    ### NZ Herald Online 1:19 PM Monday Oct 13, 2014
    NZ embassies involved in covert intelligence work for US – reports
    By Adam Bennett
    New Zealand’s embassies have been involved in covert intelligence gathering work on behalf of the United States, a fresh batch of classified documents released by NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden appear to show. The 2003 list of “Exceptionally Controlled Information” which is itself classified top secret gives a brief rundown of various NSA intelligence gathering operations and their security codes and status. Under the heading “Stateroom” the document describes the security classification that “restricts access to information about personnel involved in covert collection, processing and report of SIGINT [signals intelligence] from diplomatic missions abroad”.
    The new documents leaked by Mr Snowden were published over the weekend on The Intercept website which is run partly by US journalist Glenn Greenwald. Mr Greenwald promised to reveal details of New Zealand’s involvement in spying on friendly countries and trade partners when he was in this country last month for Kim Dotcom’s Moment of Truth.
    Read more

  16. Elizabeth

    ### ODT Online Wed, 26 Nov 2014
    Dotcom: I’m broke
    By Kurt Bayer – NZME
    Internet mogul Kim Dotcom says he is officially broke.
    The German entrepreneur and failed politician has revealed this week that his three-year, $10 million legal fight against extradition to the US to face trial on an alleged conspiracy to commit the biggest-ever breach of copyright has seen him run out of cash. APNZ
    Read more

  17. Elizabeth

    We have heard Dotcom before #TMOT……….

    ### NZ Herald Online 12:34 PM Tuesday Jan 13, 2015
    Kim Dotcom on spy chief’s resignation: Ian Fletcher is ‘leaving sinking ship’
    By Isaac Davison – political reporter
    Kim Dotcom accused New Zealand’s spy chief Ian Fletcher of leaving a sinking ship after Mr Fletcher announced today he was resigning. Mr Fletcher, who has been the head of the Government Communications Security Bureau for three years, was standing down for “family reasons”, GCSB Minister Chris Finlayson confirmed this afternoon.
    The news was noted by Dotcom, who tweeted:

    [click to enlarge]
    Tweet from Kim Dotcom at 2.58 PM - 13 Jan 2015 [screenshot via @whatifdunedin]

    The Labour leader [Andrew Little] hoped the process of finding a new director was more transparent than the appointment of Mr Fletcher, which he said amounted to a shoulder-tap.
    Read more

  18. Peter

    The safe, old standard. ‘Leaving for family reasons.’ Works every time as it is one you just can’t argue with and both sides can save face.

  19. Mike

    Yes it simply leaves one wondering: did he fall, or was he pushed?

  20. Elizabeth

    ### NZ Herald 4:32 PM Thursday Mar 26, 2015
    Inquiry into electronic surveillance agency launched
    By NZ Herald
    An inquiry into the activities of New Zealand’s electronic surveillance agency has been launched by the Inspector General of Intelligence and Security.
    Cheryl Gwyn, who is responsible for independent oversight of the New Zealand Security Intelligence Service and Government Communications Security Bureau (GCSB), announced the inquiry this afternoon.
    It follows a series of stories by the Herald and US news site The Intercept that have revealed the GCSB conducts “full-take” surveillance on Pacific nations – including targeted operations to spy on the emails and other communications of politicians.
    It has also been revealed the GCSB monitored email and internet traffic about international diplomats vying for the job of director-general of the World Trade Organisation – a job for which current Trade Minister Tim Groser was competing.
    Ms Gwyn said the allegations made about the GCSB’s activities raised wider questions regarding the collection, retention and sharing of communications data.
    Read more

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