Shrinkwrap the Mayor of Dunedin —Cull snubs Dalai Lama #shame

Shortsighted removal of diplomacy by ‘city leader’.

There were also no plans to stage a civic reception for the Dalai Lama, Mr Cull said yesterday. He defended both decisions, describing the Nobel Peace Prize laureate as “a representative of a minority religious faith” and questioning the benefit of engaging with him. –ODT

Politically awkward, after DCC/COC flying visits to Shanghai.

The decision was confirmed publicly just days after Mr Cull led a Dunedin delegation to Shanghai to help foster closer ties with one of the communist powerhouse’s major economic centres. –ODT

British Prime Minister David Cameron met the Dalai Lama last year. He was duly scolded by China and later cancelled a state visit after strong indications he would not be granted meetings with senior figures. –ODT

Good on former mayor Sukhi Turner for speaking up !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

### ODT Online Tue, 30 Apr 2013
Mayor denies bowing to wishes of China over Dalai Lama’s visit
By Chris Morris
Dunedin Mayor Dave Cull’s decision to sidestep a speaking engagement with the Dalai Lama appears to be aimed at avoiding the ire of China, a University of Otago academic, Dr Nicholas Khoo, says. However, the move has backfired in the eyes of former Dunedin mayor Sukhi Turner, who said the city was in danger of adopting a ”cargo cult mentality” and becoming ”supplicants to China”. It was confirmed yesterday Mr Cull had declined an invitation by tour organisers to introduce the Dalai Lama at a public talk in the Dunedin Town Hall, before up to 2000 people, on June 11.
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### ODT Online Tue, 30 Apr 2013
Who else has sidestepped the Dalai Lama?
Dunedin Mayor Dave Cull has some high-profile company when it comes to sidestepping the Dalai Lama. US President Barack Obama and Australian Prime Minister Julia Gillard are among political leaders who have declined to meet the Tibetan spiritual leader.
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[St Farry suggested the Dalai Lama could be a use for the stadium, wtf]


The Royal Society carries news coverage of THAT ‘cargo cult’ address:

Turner slams business mentality in ‘state of city’ speech
Posted: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 under Science in the News

Dunedin, April 23 – Dunedin should abandon its “big industry fetish” and encourage smaller, environmentally-friendly businesses, Dunedin Mayor Sukhi Turner said in her first “State of the City” speech last night.

Addressing combined members of Dunedin Lions Clubs, she pushed a strong “green” message in her vision of Dunedin’s economic future. The city’s first obligation was to stop behaving like primitive tribespeople, expecting foreigners to bring jobs and prosperity into the town, she said.

She rejected recent public accusations of being seen as opposed to development and “a very poor advocate” for Dunedin. But she said the cargo-cult mentality among Dunedin’s business community was a major obstacle to any serious discussion of the city’s future.

“Whether it be an aluminium smelter at Aramoana, a meat-processing plant on the Taieri or an environmentally suspect timber mill… the message is the same: only monstrous, ecologically damaging and socially destructive projects, preferably foreign-owned and financed, can rescue Dunedin’s fortunes.”

Many people saw environmental and developmental concerns as diametrically opposed. But in modern thinking the two were integrated imperatives.

“An industry that throws chemically stable toxic waste into our ecosystems is storing up disaster for us all.

“It is not a question of the environment versus development, it is simply a question of how much we are going to pay and when.”

Dunedin City Council and Otago Chamber of Commerce and Industry should be helping out small, knowledge-based businesses such as Animation Research Ltd which had developed computer graphic technology for America’s Cup races.

Dunedin would never again dominate New Zealand’s economy and its residents must stop trying to recapture a past which had gone forever, she said.

Education and health were two crucial industries under-pinning the city’s economy. Both could help generate whole clusters of subsidiary enterprises based on knowledge resources ready-to-hand at tertiary institutions.

“Small-scale, knowledge-based, high-tech and environmentally-friendly industries do not only open up the prospect of lucrative export contracts, they play to the strengths of the Dunedin community with its solid tradition of smallness and deep-seated love of learning,” Mrs Turner said.

After the speech she said she was not opposed to large-scale industry, as long as it “made sense”, was pollution-free and met Resource Management Act regulations.

However, the belief that salvation would come from large businesses was simplified reasoning. “It doesn’t work like that,” she said.
NZPA ODT ps 23/04/96 09-38NZ
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Posted by Elizabeth Kerr


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31 responses to “Shrinkwrap the Mayor of Dunedin —Cull snubs Dalai Lama #shame

  1. More proof the head idiot is a gutless wonder that will bend over for money.
    This is shameful, and in an academic town (so they say).

    In fact this is so amusing.
    Dalai Lama, known throughout the world has over 3 million followers just on Google+ gets around with many world leaders and high roller types.

    Idiot mayor, known to a few around Dunners. Might have meet a priminister once….
    You Cull are an idiot.

  2. Anonymous

    It is incredibly insulting.

    Most people do not understand the scale of corruption and debt that this mayor has continued to nurture on his watch but they do understand issues like this.

    Dave Cull has just undone his recent political maneuverings, brought greater awareness to his junket and demonstrated what sort of ignorance he aligns himself with.

    Congratulations ODT – you just drove another nail into his re-election campaign.

  3. Robert Hamlin

    One of the most important rules about running a small business is not to become too over reliant on one buyer. The rule of thumb is no more than 20% to any single account – otherwise you can be seriously s**wed by your ‘partner’.

    When I arrived here in 1992 this country has just about extricated itself from the situation where it had become over reliant upon trade with the UK, an account that was abruptly withdrawn in 1973 when the UK joined the EEC.

    Between 1992 and around four years ago this country ran a pretty reasonable portfolio of export markets that pretty much conformed to the rule above.

    However, things appear to be coming unstuck somewhat. Firstly, we appear to be being driven back down the value added chain, with our ports full of raw logs and containers full of milk powder. Value added in all forms is being moved off shore. Icebreaker is now largely run from the USA, and largely manufactures in China. Ditto F&P and a number of others.

    Trade with China has now jumped 30% in the last year we are told. Largely in the form of unprocessed low value added commodities. One can assume that the nation’s trade will continue to grow along these lines to over 20% of our exports to this single destination and well beyond.

    In the Guardian this week, we are also informed that the UK Prime Minister has been ‘punished’ by China for meeting with the Dalia Lama. His squeaks that the occupation of Tibet was OK by the UK were to no avail.

    You do not have to be a rocket scientist to see how our capacity to be ‘punished’ for whatever commercial or political misdemeanours we are perceived to be guilty of by this particular ‘partner’ will increase accordingly if this situation continues to develop along these lines.

    • Received from Source. Jinty gets 10 out of 10 for this sentiment.


      • ### ODT Online Wed, 1 May 2013
        Jinty* offers to meet Dalai Lama
        By Chris Morris
        Dunedin Mayor Dave Cull may not be meeting the Dalai Lama next month, but one of his councillors said it would be a ”privilege” if she could do so. […] She had informed Mr Cull of her offer, and had been told it was ”each councillor’s decision the way they would approach the situation”. […] Last night, Mr Cull said he remained unavailable for the Dalai Lama’s talk, but acknowledged the visit was ”significant and special” for many people in Dunedin. It had been felt – with deputy mayor Chris Staynes also ”unavailable” – the city would be without an ”appropriate level of representation” to mark the visit, but that could yet change, he said. ”It’s quite possible there will be a councillor representation, by way of a meeting, welcome or a whatever, on behalf of the city or council,” Mr Cull said. […] On Monday, he denied receiving any outside advice or requests from China, or from Chinese officials in New Zealand, about the Dalai Lama’s visit.
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        *Cr Jinty Mactavish

  4. Shame on Dave Cull. I am embarrased for Dunedin.

  5. Hype O'Thermia

    Nobel Peace Prize – $20 Warehouse gift card awarded to randomly chosen nonentity in recognition of their surpassing ordinariness. From “Dave’s Definitions” publ. 2013.

  6. Peter

    Good on, Jinty, for speaking up. It is quite clear where Dave Cull stands whether he uses the feeble excuse of ‘maybe’ being out of town…. or not. He actually indicates his own sensitivities to China’s interests with his wish not to offend them about their appalling human rights record in Tibet (and at home).
    Dave Cull has always been a fake lefty liberal, when it comes to the crunch. He has bent like a reed over the stadium and its cheering, mindless mafia, he will bow to the wealthy Chinese hotel developers by giving them all what they want with no compromises insisted on, he ran from the rugby thugs who threatened to sue him when he had some rare gumption to tell them what he thought of them, and he will willingly oblige the oil/gas industry who want deep sea oil drilling, no questions asked. Should we be surprised?
    Interesting response from former Mayor, Sukhi Turner, today. How many people must miss her principles, guts and grace as Mayor of our city?
    I think Jinty should, by now, realise Dave Cull has been using her Green credentials to build up his coalition of votes for election and re-election. She will hopefully pull away from the Greater Dunedin ticket. They need her more than she needs them. She has more to lose staying with them if she seeks re-election.
    Any Green candidate who foolishly stands alongside Greater Dunedin will not get my vote as it will be a wasted vote. I’m sure many voters, like myself, who have voted Green, will feel the same.
    Dave Cull has lost his way. Does he know what he stands for anymore? Dunedin needs real leadership, not knee jerk kowtowing to those who apply political pressure.

  7. Hype O'Thermia

    “…Honestly, this is not the Dave Cull I used to know. Are we sure we didn’t get a replacement slipped in with the pack during one of those Shanghai junkets?” –MikeStk

    • Oh wait…

      ### April 30, 2013 – 7:02pm
      Benefits should be felt soon
      The recent visit to Shanghai by a delegation from Dunedin should have some immediate financial results. The delegation to the Chinese city returned to Dunedin last week. Mayor Dave Cull reviewed the trip this week, and he says the benefits that follow the very formal meetings are very real.

  8. Hype O'Thermia

    Gosh, what with them and the riches flowing from the stadium we’ll be a city of Scrooge McDucks wallowing in vaults full of gold coins.

  9. Hype O'Thermia

    I believe, I do, I believe it’s true.
    I believe exactly what they tell me to.
    I believe, I do, I believe, it’s true.
    I’m a simple guy, I believe! –Tom Paxton …

    • Wait for the ODT extravaganza news item tomorrow – Dave says we’re rich!
      We found the fricking money tree !!!!!!!!!

      And he’s letting nuclear-powered US warships into the Port of Otago, for balance.
      Daaaavvvee………, our saviour.

      • Hype O’Thermia – This aberration that MikeStk points out is merely the hyperventilation of close to $700 MILLION consolidated council debt and rising, and no means to fix it. Hell is the place for Dave to scream, not at the Dalai Lama.

  10. Hype O'Thermia

    Elizabeth, you’re living in the past. Dave “says the benefits that follow the very formal meetings are very real” – what can that mean if not that all this agonising about a few hundred million dollars’s debt is now at an end. It’s a yesterday thing. Move on! Prosperity is here, near-as.

    Let’s go shopping for more shiny things.

  11. amanda

    Bravo Jinty. That is my understanding of Cull too, Peter. That he will bow down to the Big Boy Bullies and throw Dunedin people under the bus to keep Bully boy Stakeholders (from Dunedin or outside of it) nice and happy. A nice man, not corrupt but gormless and weak so he puts the city at risk to any bullies who feel they see easy pickings here.

    • ### May 1, 2013 – 7:12pm
      Protest targets Mayor Cull
      A peaceful protest in the Octagon was targeted at one particular person – Dunedin Mayor Dave Cull. His recent comments about the Dalai Lama were in question. And representatives from the Buddhist community say those comments show up Dunedin in a ‘very small town light’.

  12. What the Buddhist community needs to realize is we agree with them and are ashamed by our esteemed leaders _yet again_ I do use the term very loosely…..

    • In the end, the value the university placed on ”academic freedom” trumped any concerns about the possible implications.

      ### ODT Online Thu, 2 May 2013
      Careful thought on Dalai Lama speech
      By Vaughan Elder
      The University of Otago took a ”very serious” look at the implications of hosting the Dalai Lama before deciding to let him speak on campus during his visit to Dunedin next month. The revelation from the university comes amid controversy over Dunedin Mayor Dave Cull’s decision not meet the Dalai Lama. University pro-vice-chancellor, international, Prof Sarah Todd said the possibility that allowing him to speak on campus could sour relations with its Chinese partners, or lead to a decline in the number of Chinese students, were among the issues the university considered.
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      ### ODT Online Thu, 2 May 2013
      Buddhist protest over Cull comment
      By Debbie Porteous
      Comments about the Dalai Lama made by Dunedin Mayor Dave Cull ahead of the Buddhist leader’s visit to the city have prompted several public demonstrations. The first saw four members of Dunedin’s Buddhist community protest yesterday with signs and a Tibetan flag in the Octagon. […] Students for a Free Tibet and the Organisation for Global Nonviolent Action have also organised a public protest in the Octagon on Saturday against the same comment and others Mr Cull made regarding the Dalai Lama and his visit.
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      • ### ODT Online Thu, 2 May 2013
        Editorial: To thine own self be true
        The decision of Dunedin Mayor Dave Cull not to engage with the Dalai Lama on his visit to the city raises various issues. The 77-year-old Dalai Lama is the head of the Tibetan Government in exile in India and the spiritual leader of Tibet, which was invaded by China in 1949. Tibet’s status under international law is disputed even by the United Nations, although it has adopted three resolutions on Tibet through the years and says human rights violations, acts of genocide and religious persecution have been carried out there. The Dalai Lama was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize in 1989 and travels the world promoting compassion, inter-religious harmony and the welfare of the Tibetan people. It is to be assumed those values will form some of the content of his talk in the Dunedin Town Hall, expected to attract up to 2000 people. […] There is no doubt China is a key to New Zealand’s growth. However surely a leader who comes preaching peace, compassion and tolerance as deserving of the welcome mat as those offering trade and financial opportunity? We all have decisions to make about every relationship. One of the most important is surely ”to thine own self be true”.
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  13. Hype O'Thermia

    Who else is offended by snubs to the Dalai Lama? You can’t please everyone. Discourtesy based on race, gender or religion is wrong-as. Based on politics” Yeah-nah, depends. A “celebrity” of any kind peddling racism, hatred, discrimination by gender or ethnicity, I have no problem with them being denied the publicity that goes with civic welcomes. A “celebrity” of the highest standing who preaches peace, tolerance, kindness and happiness, so Dunedin is made to look like a city of cargo-cultist small-minded snivelling grovellers desperate to be best buddies with the biggest guy in school irrespective of his ethics. Shame!

  14. What the poster of “One of the most important is surely “to thine own self be true”” failed to realize, maybe what Cull has done is true to himself.

  15. Hype O'Thermia


  16. Peter, how can you can say that Councillor MacTavish is green when she is planning to have between 12-15 hectares of the harbour reclaimed with road widening and destroy large areas of the harbour’s rocky shore ecosystem? Not to mention the destruction of bird roosting trees, heritage walls and critical landscape features of the harbour and Peninsula that are of cultural and geographical significance.

    • Cr MacTavish has a lot to learn, and as such has never entertained my vote. Nor is likely to.

      10 out of 10 from me on the Dalai Lama front is as far as I can go.

      daseditor makes a very strong point. All that, and some incomparably high project costs – all lobbyists, local body politicians and agency players for road widening noted. Perhaps DCC could $$$$$$$$ettle Mr Doug Hall and affected property owners at the ‘un-SH88’ realignment, FIRST – before the council bikes/campervans/shuttles to its resting place in utter purgatory.

  17. Actually, it would be fair to say that Dave Cull stands for nothing. That way he slips by on most issues. Note the lack of condemnation of his ‘disgusting grovelling’ to those ORFU thugs over the threatened defamation. Then there was the hugely intemperate outburst of enthusiasm for the proposed hotel. Promising to “roll out the red carpet, not red tape”, despite the fact that this was a serious Town Planning issue for the city. Of course, one should never forget his performance on the Town Hall stage at the ‘Stop the Stadium’ rally. Two-sided electioneering of the first order. Once elected, all pretense of democracy is out the window and he rushes to embrace the Mafia of this town. Now he again shows his contempt for the mores and interests of his citizens in order to suck up to his Chinese folk, purely in the interests of ingratiating himself to them. As if they were really interested in that group of little people. China is a world power, no doubt, but Cull thinks in his little feathery mind that he will rate with them if he only toes the line as he thinks it might be. Result, a monumental snub to one of the most respected persons on the planet, a person who has seen more political injustice and intrigue than Dave Cull has had breakfasts. Now he is reaping the harvest of his own shortcomings and bloody good luck to him. With a bit of luck come October he will then have a long period to dwell on his ineptitudes and wonder why someone hadn’t pointed out to him something about the game of politics. “He who runs with the hare and hunts with the hounds at the same time” sooner or later ends up casseroled.

  18. Peter

    I’m afraid the issue you speak of, re the harbourside reclamation, has passed me by, daseditor, so I can’t really comment. Maybe you could elaborate?
    The phenomena of ‘running with the hares, hunting with the hounds’ afflicts those politicians with no substance, I guess, Calvin. What I do know is that the anti stadium voters were used for political purposes last election. Even the STS membership list was asked for to propagate for the GD cause. This was refused.
    Who can you trust politically these days? A sad reality, as far as I’m concerned, on the state of affairs in Dunedin and nationally.

  19. Peter you may also like to read “follow the yellow brick road”

    This will give you an indepth view of this project.

  20. ODT are plugging away at trying to obtain Daaave’s emails about the Dalai Lama’s visit to Dunedin: No progress on email inquiry. Mfat officials had declined to release the emails – meanwhile, the Ombudsmen’s Office is sunk with more than 2000 complaints to process (last year, Ombudsman Beverley Wakem told the government her office was “in crisis”).

  21. DCC failed to pass the matter of emails by mayor Liability Cull on the pending visit of the Dalai Lama to relevant departments of government. ODT’s persisting with its complaint to the Ombudsman about the non release of the emails. Now potentially, the fracas is about to be considered as a matter of national security. Hope that bullying superpower China isn’t involved thus the recent kowtowing from Cull’s office and the dear simpletons at COC.

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