Dunedin: Future service town to Shell? #realitycheck

We need the business, but…

Shell’s Roland Spuij highlighted that New Zealand’s historical success rate was 15%, compared with a global success rate of more than 30%, and said that the Great South Basin as a ”frontier” area had its pitfalls.

### ODT Online Tue, 9 Apr 2013
Gas drilling ’50:50′ call – Shell
By Simon Hartley
Oil and gas explorer Shell says its chances of undertaking a $200 million exploratory drilling programme in the Great South Basin are 50:50, with a decision expected within months. The company, which has spent more than $80 million in two separate seismic surveys in the basin off Otago in recent years, also confirmed yesterday it had committed a further $US10 million ($NZ11.8 million) to additional exploration of the Great South Basin. The latter work will include more than 2000km of 2-D seismic surveys within a 8500sq km exploration block acquired last December.

Data suggested the test drill had a 70% likelihood of being unsuccessful, with a 30% chance of finding commercially viable gas deposits.

Shell’s New Zealand exploration venture manager Roland Spuij was in Dunedin yesterday for a meeting with mainly local business people, which was abandoned because of interruptions by more than 30 anti-exploration protesters.
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Embarrassing!
Oil protesters shut down Shell meeting

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70 responses to “Dunedin: Future service town to Shell? #realitycheck

  1. I saw most of it on the YouTube clip. seen here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zuu-NwiF-Q&feature=youtu.be The protesters really let their emotions get the better of them. They made their point, but let it drag out too long. I would almost say it was like watching a teenager throw a tantrum. Also they had a representative at the meeting.

    Brave, but shows a real lack of maturity on their part.

  2. Dougo

    Disgusting behaviour from the protestors.

  3. Embarrassing effort all round. Strange how protesters always have that hobo look about them. If they dressed up in similar vein to that of their target audience they would do much better. Also, if they had any serious knowledge to impart on the subject of their opposition it would help. But they always manage to project the image of ‘crackpots’ who can only shout and stomp. The elephant would be the biggest embarrassment of all. Nothing gained there I am afraid. Audience 1 protesters nil. Not a proud moment for the city.

  4. Peter

    There’s a conundrum with protest in this country. From the experience of Stop the Stadium we did all the respectable things of holding peaceful protest marches and public meetings, making submissions to council, writing letters to the newspapers, writing opinion pieces and commissioning polls. Despite all the opposition, done respectably and peacefully, we got the majority of people onside with reasoned arguments and good behaviour, but lost the war. Those intent on doing so much damage to the community, for their own selfish purposes, got what they wanted in the end.
    This seems to be the modus operandi of the powerful. Let them let off a bit of steam with their little protests and, in the meantime, we’ll do what we like.
    Even ‘strategic, non threatening’ protest doesn’t always work.
    In the end, the powerful have to feel some heat before they start to back off. Whether we like it or not, people getting arrested and bashed by the police raises the heat… among other things. So do mass occupations and high profile actions that embarrass the authorities while outsiders look on. Sending boats in to save whales, or whatever, or using boats to protest about nuclear testing works to raise issues and puts the pressure on.
    I sometimes wonder if we should have been more in the face of Council at the time of the stadium protests. It gives me only some small satisfaction to know that some of the perpetrators of the stadium debacle are now, from what I have heard, receiving the wrath of people on the streets. It’s all a bit too late for the city.
    We have become too timid and conservative with protest. Look what they are prepared to do in Europe…. and elsewhere. I, for one, have no problem with the people who protested loudly in the council chambers. They showed some guts.

    • Given what our groups are up to in Christchurch for the Cathedral, I have to say we’re using direct legal means, multidisciplinary professional expertise (national and international), and intelligently argued media and letter writing campaigns, as well as meetings and lobbying using city leaders, passionate people, political parties and politicians, AND the tide is turning strongly. This is the sort of sophisticated and strategic I mean; it is very clever, copoperative and compelling, week in week out, connected to movers and shakers right through New Zealand and beyond via social media and phones. And there is serious money donated to fight the cause, but then, Christchurch has always been more alert politically than good old Dunners, where we graze sheep mainly.

  5. Peter

    Good luck to them with the Cathedral, but I think the battle is already lost to save wider Christchurch from the wrecking ball. It has been wrecked beyond any recognition thanks to CERA and Gerry Brownlee and his National Government.I fear we will now see Tilt Slab City. Britain has Slough and Milton Keynes. We will have the new Christchurch.

    • ### ODT Online Thu, 11 Apr 2013
      Editorial: A boost to Dunedin?
      Shell is, clearly, serious about its search for gas in the Great Southern Basin off the coast of Otago and Southland as it considers whether to spend $200 million on an exploratory well. It is also, obviously, aware of the need to consult widely.
      Its latest charm offensive on Monday included an invitation-only meeting with various groups, including Oil Free Otago. That meeting was disrupted after an hour by up to six protesters, which is a shame. While there will always be a range of views, some diametrically opposed, Shell deserved the courtesy of being given the chance to outline its plans and to answer questions.
      Of course, for those opposed to a hydrocarbon future it does not matter what Shell says or does – the company is unwelcome any time or any place. But many in Dunedin will recognise we do not live in a perfect world and oil and gas are here to stay for many years yet. In that case, the hope is exploration will prove fruitful and a major gas field can be developed, with support from Dunedin. It might even be possible associated industries, as in Taranaki, are established.
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      • Kudos to Shadbolt, Invercargill had the advantage on Dunedin’s talks with Shell – no protestors, respectful exchange on the issues and economics for their region should Shell select Bluff as the service port.

        ”I deplore that opportunity being denied me and our community by such arrogant and counter-productive antics.” –Cull

        ### ODT Online Sat, 13 Apr 2013
        Mayor slams protesters’ actions as lost opportunity
        By Debbie Porteous
        The ”arrogant and counter-productive antics” of protesters who disrupted Shell’s meeting in Dunedin this week did the city a ”huge disservice” at a time when it should be showing the oil company a friendly face, city councillors say. The comments came as a similar meeting in Invercargill this week went without disruption, and Invercargill City Council officials welcomed the company.
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        • ### ODT Online Wed, 22 May 2013
          Oil drilling: DCC wants ‘consensus on the facts’
          By Debbie Porteous
          A better understanding is needed of the issues oil and gas exploration present for Dunedin, Mayor Dave Cull says. The facts about the city’s role, jurisdiction and responsibilities regarding oil and gas exploration off its coast were not clear to the majority of Dunedin people, Mr Cull said. Common ground needed to be found in the middle of the spectrum of vocal opinion.
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          Consensus, yeah right. DCC can’t afford to get out of step with the National-led government’s ‘opening up’ of New Zealand to potential exploiters (meanwhile stopping protest at sea).

        • [Roland Spuij] defended Shell’s safety record, saying there had been no deepwater incidents in the past 30 years, and while the Great South Basin was renowned for high waves and icebergs, it was similar to other places Shell operated.

          ### ODT Online Wed, 10 Jul 2013
          Shell ‘more optimistic’ about drilling
          By Simon Hartley
          Offshore oil and gas explorer Shell appears more confident its proposed deepwater drilling in the Great South Basin will go ahead. The company was back in Dunedin yesterday for private talks with local authorities on the possible $200 million programme.
          In April, Shell said the chances of it going ahead were 50:50 and it would decide within about two months. By January, Shell must commit to government permit agency New Zealand Petroleum and Minerals to either drill or drop the southern permits it holds.
          Shell’s New Zealand exploration venture manager, Roland Spuij, in Dunedin for numerous briefings yesterday and today, said ”new leads” in initial exploration were being considered. ”We’re feeling more optimistic. Developments are ongoing … we’re looking to extend seismic surveying next summer.” Asked what had spiked heightened interest, Mr Spuij said that aside from new leads, the possible size of the project was changing and ”several” options were being considered to handle gas collection.
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          Comment to the news item…

          Guaranteed disaster for our coast
          Submitted by The Observer on Wed, 10/07/2013 – 1:16pm.

          Shell continues spilling oil in North Sea despite efforts to improve: Jan. 2013 Anglo-Dutch group has been responsible for over 20 pollution accidents in British waters over a six month period…

          Shell boss got £10m pay package amid oil price surge: “Energy firm reveals that chief executive’s pay doubled in 2011 as it admits to 207 oil spills, up from 195 the previous year…”

          Shell is going to be just fine and extraodinarily wealthy without ruining NZ’s coastline and sealife. New Zealanders and Cull need to tell Shell, ‘no thanks’. Not in our waters!

  6. hypeothermia

    Ignore the protesters, councillors. You’ve got a top-class Friendly Face prepared to sell anything to anyone and spin like a teetotum.

    Don’t sit around whining – call SuperMalc.

    • Missed my chance. Was immediately behind SuperMalc in a queue for afternoon tea yesterday. The person he was with, another businessman, asked SM if he was a lawyer. He answered properly and after that I turned my audio down.

  7. Anonymous

    Okay, the protestors were a bit over the top – I’m sure the Shell executives, nor their marketing people, expected that, at all, no sir, never happened before, ever – but why punish the whole city with this action?

    […] Acting Mayor Syd Brown said […]

    Not fair.

    http://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/252968/mayor-slams-protestors-actions-lost-opportunity

  8. hypeothermia

    “Why punish the whole city with this action?”
    To generate fear and ensure a compliant attitude, that’s why. To encourage other peasants to stomp hard on those who dare to displease the Powerful Ones. To strongly discourage questioning of motives and alleged benefits of whatever the Powerful Ones want to do.

    Think stadium, “gift” hotel/apartment excrescence … remember the whole range of nobody-asked-us follies foisted upon us for the benefit of ???

  9. amanda

    Yes. It is the usual story. Shut up. Smile. and say Thank you to your betters whom if we dare to challenge it is ’embarassing’. Greater Dunedin and the Secret Seven on Council are playing by their usual song book. Divide and conquer tactics from them. Predictable from our gormless mayor and par for the course for Syd’s Boys. Not buying it Mr Mayor. No Mayor, we know who is responsible for this city’s decline. You might want to look in the mirror, and around your own council table.

  10. amanda

    The plan is going along nicely for the power holders in Dunedin, their plan to create massive debt for the city and then say, ‘why golly, where did that debt come from? well, guess we have to do what ever we can to get out of the debt you peasants created, so then, give us your environment, your water, your libraries, your funds….and what ever else we the true Stakeholders in this wee tin pot town want…cheers!’.

  11. Council sustainability adviser Maria Ioannou seems to be heading in the opposite direction than Dave Cull in organising public discussions in conjunction with the Otago Climate Change Network. It is not clear why this organisation should be given a preferential position in influencing Council policy. I thought Council Staff were meant to be politically neutral. But the role of “sustainability adviser” seems to be little different than a Green Party activist. If the Council is looking to make savings then this position should be first for the chop.
    Any Oil Company will go to Bluff anyway: why come to Dunedin where they are guaranteed trouble.

  12. Hype O'Thermia

    Again it’s this Maori preference – Ngai Tahu and 2 local runanga were included in the “stakeholders” worthy of consultation, but commercial paua industry and recreational divers weren’t? Is someone working steadily towards a solid bloc of support come election time, perhaps?

  13. ### ODT Online Mon, 14 Oct 2013
    Dunedin City Council consulting public on oil and gas exploration
    By Chris Morris
    The Dunedin City Council could tap into a well of environmental fears and economic optimism when it asks the public about the oil and gas industry. The council has called for public submissions by November 1 to help shape its own response to consultation on the petroleum block offer process being run by New Zealand Petroleum and Minerals.
    Read more

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    Dunedin City Council – Media Release
    Residents’ Views Sought on Oil and Gas Exploration

    This item was published on 11 Oct 2013.

    Do you have a view on exploration for oil and gas off the Otago coast?

    The Petroleum Block Offer is the way the Government enables petroleum companies to bid for exploration rights to New Zealand’s oil and gas resources. This is the second year of the Block Offer process, which is run by New Zealand Petroleum and Minerals (NZP&M), a department within the Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment.

    The Dunedin City Council is seeking community input as it prepares a response to the 2014 Petroleum Block Offer. The Government has brought forward its consultation, which now closes on 14 November.

    The decision by NZP&M to run its consultation on the Block Offer over the local body elections period was unexpected and Dunedin, along with several other local authorities, has pointed out this makes it difficult for councils to make a democratic submission on an issue of significance.

    Mayor of Dunedin Dave Cull says the DCC is aware this is a topic that has generated significant community discussion. There a wide range of views, from how many jobs might be created to the impact of fossil fuels on climate change.

    “We are keen to hear from our community and invite residents to tell us what they think.”

    The DCC made a submission last year and intends to use this as the starting point for this year’s submission. Community views will be considered and all submissions received will be attached as an appendix to the formal DCC submission to NZP&M.

    Residents’ submissions need to be with the DCC by Friday, 1 November. Submissions can be emailed to policy @ dcc.govt.nz (please put Block Offer in the subject line), posted to PO Box 5045, Moray Place, Dunedin 9058, or dropped off at the Civic Centre.

    For more information on the Block Offer and last year’s DCC submission, or to make an online submission, visit http://www.dunedin.govt.nz/petroleum-block-offer

    Contact Sustainability Advisor, Dunedin City Council on 477 4000.

    DCC Link

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    Previously:

    ### ODT Online Wed, 2 Oct 2013
    To drill or not to drill, that is the question
    By Chris Morris
    When a delegation from oil giant Shell visited Dunedin earlier this year, the debate over drilling erupted. The group was in town to talk to the city’s business leaders about their industry and their plans, but instead found themselves face-to-face with vocal protesters vowing to fight.
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    • ### dunedintv.co.nz November 5, 2013 – 6:38pm
      250 Dunedin people write submissions on the Government’s Petroleum Block Offer
      Almost 250 Dunedin people have written submissions on the Government’s Petroleum Block Offer, as the DCC puts together its views on the subject.
      Read more [no video available]

    • Yep. Tactic is now to be seen biking rain hail or snow, as if there are numbers. Where’s MacTavish in all this? Biker bunnies with waterwings.

      ### dunedintv.co.nz November 25, 2013 – 7:31pm
      Flotilla of a different kind made tracks to protest Anadarko drilling
      As the scene is set for a skirmish off the coast of the North Island between protesters and Anadarko oil drilling boats, a flotilla of a different kind left the Octagon. Around 200 people rode their bikes from the Octagon to St Clair beach, supporting the boats in the North.
      Video

    • ### ODT Online Wed, 4 Dec 2013
      Shell confirms seismic survey to start off Dunedin coast
      By Dene Mackenzie
      Shell New Zealand has confirmed its plans for a two-dimensional seismic survey starting next month, with Dunedin being considered as a likely base for crew changeovers and supplies being taken out to the survey vessel.
      Read more

      • ### ODT Online Tue, 7 Jan 2014
        Shell to drill off Dunedin coast
        Shell is to drill an exploration well off the coast of Dunedin in the hope of finding natural gas and oil. Great South Basin joint-venture parties Shell New Zealand, OMV New Zealand and Mitsui E&P Australia will drill an exploration well in the PEP 50119 block. APNZ
        Read more + Map

        – Full story tomorrow’s ODT

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        http://www.stuff.co.nz/southland-times/business/9584502/Shell-to-drill-Great-South-Basin

        Location map of Great South Basin [via stuff –supplied]
        Location map of Great South Basin 2 [via stuff.co.nz]

        • Shell hasn’t decided where to base its shore operations, “but it was between Dunedin and Invercargill”. (ODT)

          ### ODT Online Wed, 8 Jan 2014
          Dunedin urged to show it can support Shell
          By Dene Mackenzie
          Dunedin is being urged to make every effort possible to ensure Shell New Zealand makes the city its logistics base when drilling for gas starts off the coast of Otago in 2016.
          Read more

        • ### ODT Online Thu, 9 Jan 2014
          City in race to host supply base
          By Chris Morris
          The race is on as Dunedin vies with Invercargill to secure hosting rights for an oil and gas base, after confirmation oil giant Shell plans to drill a test well in search of natural gas off the Otago coast. Shell’s plans to drill as part of a joint venture, probably in the summer of 2016-17, came as another oil giant, Anadarko, prepared to begin drilling its own test well, 60km off Otago Peninsula, next month. [see bullet point summary at ODT]
          Read more

          DCC for and against:

          Cull on fence for money, Honey!

          For: Deputy Mayor Staynes (plus extend Airport runway!), Crs Noone, Wiley, Hall, Calvert, Lord, Vandervis
          Against/Concerns: Crs Hawkins, MacTavish, Peat, Benson-Pope, Thomson
          *Crs Bezett and Wilson not polled

          ****

          ODT: Southern gas find would be top NZ boom…
          A significant gas find in the Great South Basin would provide the largest economic boom to New Zealand people would ever remember, Milford Asset Management senior analyst William Curtayne said yesterday.

      • Mike

        This is the reason why a Shell gas discovery would not be a big boon for Dunedin

        http://www.shell.com/global/future-energy/natural-gas/flng/floating-natural-gas-giant.html

        This is the “world’s biggest ship” it’s off to a gas site north of Australia – it’s a one stop gas processing plant that’s sited above the well, tankers dock with it at sea load up and leave – nothing comes to shore, except for crew changes (a helicopter landing at Momona)

        • The floating plant is extremely impressive as technical solutions go. If the Great South Basin has a suitable yield of natural gas will we see FLNG off our coast one day? How many of these can Shell afford to build and deploy? Maybe not that many.

          Instant cash from extractive industry is a turn-on for COC which really has no sustainability credentials whatsoever in practice or in teachings offered to small business… Clearly, it has yet to click to FLNG and probably doesn’t google.

        • Mike

          I get the impression that that’s the way they intend to go in the future, it allows them to be flexible and to move their gear around easily, they’re more likely to abandon a field as its production slows early if the equipment can be moved, the comparison is does it cost more to build an on-shore facility at a port, and a pipeline from way deep, way far, offshore.

          Think about it: if they do strike a big gas deposit where would they pipe the gas to? Where there’s room to build a liquefaction plant and a port to load it into tankers? – I bet greedy eyes would turn back to Aramoana if this wasn’t an option.

  14. We missed the consultation boat. What boat?

    Council staff have previously said the fact the public consultation period was short and badly timed was out of the council’s control.

    ### ODT Online Thu, 5 Dec 2013
    Consultation on oil search of concern
    By Debbie Porteous
    As Shell visits Dunedin to update council and business leaders on its plans for the Great South Basin, one city councillor is worried about the negative message the city’s community is sending to the oil and gas industry. Cr Andrew Whiley said he had ”a big issue” with the recent consultation process around the council’s submission on the 2014 petroleum block offer.
    Read more

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    [old news]

    Mon, 14 Oct 2013
    ### ODT Online
    Dunedin City Council consulting public on oil and gas exploration
    By Chris Morris
    The Dunedin City Council could tap into a well of environmental fears and economic optimism when it asks the public about the oil and gas industry. The council has called for public submissions by November 1 to help shape its own response to consultation on the petroleum block offer process being run by New Zealand Petroleum and Minerals.
    Read more

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    Dunedin City Council – Media Release
    Residents’ Views Sought on Oil and Gas Exploration

    Do you have a view on exploration for oil and gas off the Otago coast?

    This item was published on 11 Oct 2013.

    Do you have a view on exploration for oil and gas off the Otago coast?
    The Petroleum Block Offer is the way the Government enables petroleum companies to bid for exploration rights to New Zealand’s oil and gas resources. This is the second year of the Block Offer process, which is run by New Zealand Petroleum and Minerals (NZP&M), a department within the Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment.
    The Dunedin City Council is seeking community input as it prepares a response to the 2014 Petroleum Block Offer. The Government has brought forward its consultation, which now closes on 14 November.
    The decision by NZP&M to run its consultation on the Block Offer over the local body elections period was unexpected and Dunedin, along with several other local authorities, has pointed out this makes it difficult for councils to make a democratic submission on an issue of significance.
    Read more

    • ### ODT Online Fri, 6 Dec 2013
      Offshore wells get permits
      Ten new permits have been granted for oil exploration in New Zealand, including two off the coasts of Otago and Southland. Yesterday’s announcement launches one of the country’s largest oil and gas exploration seasons, with 13 wells being drilled offshore and about 30 onshore.
      Read more

  15. A point well made. Not reported.

    Received from Lee Vandervis.
    Thursday, January 09, 2014 9:59 PM

    Message: You might like to contrast what I sent to the ODT as comment below, with what they printed today.

    —— Forwarded Message
    From: Lee Vandervis
    Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2014 16:29:22 +1300
    To: Chris Morris [ODT]
    Conversation: oil and gas
    Subject: Re: oil and gas

    Chris,

    Regarding the choice between Invercargill and Dunedin, Shell have said to me that what they are looking for on-shore is “skills”, and Dunedin has them, especially in engineering, electronics, communications, stevedore and provisioning services.
    What I assume Shell are not looking for is a lot of emotive ‘not in my back yard’ whinging with demands that Dunedin get royalties, absolute environmental guarantees or other unobtainable conditions.
    Of all the companies that might explore the Southern Basin, an enormous company like Shell seems to be best positioned to do it safely and responsibly building on decades of positive experience for New Plymouth.

    Thank you for the opportunity to comment,
    Lee

    On 8/01/14 12:08 PM, “Chris Morris” wrote:

    Lee,

    I’m seeking a reaction from all councillors to news of Shell’s decision to test drill… plus also whether councillors think the DCC should be doing anything more (and if so, what) to offer incentives for a supply base in Dunedin.

    Feel free to flick me a comment. Deadline 5pm.

    Chris.

    —— End of Forwarded Message

    • Reporting and sub-editing ‘headlines’ by ODT are just getting silly [gas not discovered yet, no boom]… perhaps not as silly as the Mayor’s comments: “Risks could be managed “to a large extent”, but climate change could not, if the hunt for fossil fuels continued unabated.”
      May ODT, DCC and COC hyperventilate in their own private time. I’m for exploration not dickhead behaviour.

      ### ODT Online Fri, 10 Jan 2014
      Billions seen in ‘game-changing’ gas boom
      By Chris Morris
      The first taste of petroleum money could be just weeks away in Dunedin, as Texas-based oil giant Anadarko prepares to move its state-of-the-art drilling ship into Otago waters, it has been confirmed.
      Read more

  16. The exploration stage is more likely to provide “boom” / “some income for some” in Dunedin than when/if gas is discovered and Shell proceeds to extraction & distribution.

    • Wonder if Mayor Shadbolt is hiding quietly/professionally in the background with a ‘service-ready’ smile and winning hand for Bluff ?

      • Mike

        He was here (or rather at Waitati) just a week ago with a flag of peace adjudicating between the invading Green forces and the local rabble

        (I’m trying to be accurate here)

  17. News… DCC has $1.7 million worth of shares in “petroleum companies” via the Waipori Fund. Peter McIntyre of (COC and) Craigs Investment Partners seems to be devil in the pie.

    ### RNZ News Sat, 11 Jan 2014 (12:15 PM)
    Dunedin council invests in oil companies
    Dunedin City Council has confirmed it has invested in oil companies. It holds shares worth almost $1.7 million in petroleum producers, but the council is not saying which companies. The council says the investments were made through the city’s Waipori Fund and account for about 5% of its holdings.
    Read more

  18. You DIDN’T read it in the ODT first.
    Still no mention of it in the odt online version.

    • Caught it on midday news at RNZ (then at ‘Top Stories’) – Cr MacTavish will be a-resting in moral turpitude today.
      Here, only yesterday, she speaks to ethics and hypocrisy…

      Guffaw.

      Quote: “So yes, to me fossil fuel extraction is an unethical industry, and in the light of the science, ones (sic) that we need to be moving public investment away from, not courting with ratepayers’ resources.” –MacTavish

      But it’s OK to spend $47 million of ratepayers’ money on the DCC’s proposed cycle network.

    • Mike

      to be fair it’s Saturday, with no Sunday edition to put to bed one does not expect there to be much of anyone at home at the ODT today (and IMHO that’s a good thing, everyone deserves at least a bit of a weekend)

      • Mike

        you will have noticed that they’ve started to ‘pad’ the Sunday online with weekday Star articles to keep the website fresh and to continually drive advertising – it’s a smart move (I say that without trying to be cynical, papers are in a tough position these days)

      • Um, email received in good weekend spirit from an anonymous, funny:

        Dunedin investments in Fffffossil Ffffuels………. it’s on the radio news, been on the radio news for hours. ODT print, ODT online – not a whisper. Fancy our local print media not knowing! Should we put in a few dollars each and buy them a cheap radio?

    • I think any idea of a divided city is mainly hypothetical in extent. Those in positions to profit somewhere down the line from offshore exploration in a direct way are already in the loop, and indeed some local companies have already provisioned offshore seismic work to date. This place mostly has apathy, lack of traction and concerted action as a natural order. Or does it.

  19. There’s also the matter of risk. The few well-known occasions of serious contamination are trotted out as if this was likely rather than rare. I’d be more impressed with that argument were it put up against similar risk from other sources of contamination.
    The local exploration is for gas, not oil – and particularly not a la Beverly Hillbillies,
    “Come and listen to a story about a man named Jed
    A poor mountaineer, barely kept his family fed,
    Then one day he was shootin’ at some food,
    And up through the ground came a-bubblin’ crude.
    Oil that is, black gold, Texas tea.”

    Rena – does that ring a bell? Not the only example but despite its being recent and in our own watery backyard it doesn’t seem to get mentioned alongside by the drilling disaster doom-sayers.

    Another thing, oil is “organic” and “natural”. It was made by old, old squashed plankton’n’stuff squashed between rocks for a long, long time. Not good for birds that got coated in it, but not bad for the sea and the beaches except where humans can put up with the unsightliness while nature does its own work, instead of racing around like headless chooks chucking all sorts of clean-up chemicals at it to make the environment look nice, and “natural”.

  20. Link received.
    Sunday, 12 January 2014 1:53 p.m.

    Whale Oil Beef Hooked 11 January 2014
    Cameron Slater
    Dunedin Mayor Squeamish About Gas Exploration
    http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2014/01/dunedin-mayor-squeamish-gas-exploration/

    NZ Herald story (10.1.13) referred to by Cameron Slater also featured at ODT the same day.

  21. Link received.
    Sunday, 12 January 2014 5:23 p.m.

    Hilarious – check out the photos at this post, and the comments —better than yesterday’s !!

    Whale Oil Beef Hooked 12 January 2014
    Cameron Slater
    Hippy oil protest flotilla flops
    The green taliban were out in force today in Dunedin, declaring that they were going to blockade the harbour…bizarrely more than two weeks before any drill ship arrives…but blockade the harbour they will. Cont/
    http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2014/01/hippy-oil-protest-flotilla-flops/

  22. Calvin Oaten

    Car parking? Surely, they would all have either walked or rode their cycles to the ‘gig’. Their haphazard approach to convincing the public at large will reap the result it deserves. Dave and Jinty will not be tempted to come out on their side now as it might be seen as too radical. That was always going to be the risk. For the Mayor to be seen as supporting a ‘rabble’ would not be a good look and Dave will be mindful that he might need to change his stance, not a difficult thing for him to do. It’s called ‘running with the hare and hunting with the hounds’. Jinty, of course, is so indoctrinated as to be unable to change.

    • Calvin, I see that JaundicedJinty has mentioned names early in her latest sickmaking epitaph to herself at ODT Online.
      Not bothering to read. She (and her GD cohorts) didn’t get my vote so no more time needs spent.

      • As far as I am aware, there are no climate scientists at the University of Otago. Climate is taught as part of Geography, but I do not believe that there is anybody who could be called a climate scientist.

        {Here Alistair is referring to Jinty MacTavish’s assertion:
        “FW queries whether Council draws on university expertise in its formulation of policy around climate science. I can confirm that first report on climate change that the city commissioned, was written by an internationally renowned climate scientist based at the University of Otago, and that our climate change policy as a council is based on the IPCC’s work, in line with Government’s advice on the matter.”
        Read full comment at ODT Online. -Eds}

        • Russell Garbutt

          My belief is that this refers to Bob Lloyd whose University background on the University site reads as follows

          Professor Bob Lloyd is from Australia, he came to New Zealand in 2002 after having worked for the Australian Coo-operative Research Centre for Renewable Energy (ACRE), based at Murdoch University in Perth. He has also worked on renewable energy systems in China and the Pacific Islands and taught at the University of the South Pacific in Fiji. His current research interests at Otago University, where he is the Director of Energy Studies and Associate Professor in the Physics Department, lie in energy conservation in residential housing and energy management including world energy resources and peak oil. His PhD from Flinders University in South Australia was completed in the field of experimental atomic physics

  23. “Dave and Jinty will not be tempted to come out on their side now as it might be seen as too radical.” [Calvin]
    Remember how knickery-twisted Daaave got over the Occupy protesters!

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    Wealth creation
    Submitted by MikeStk on Sun, 12/01/2014 – 5:50pm.
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  25. Calvin Oaten

    Jinty’s continuing reliance on the “thousands of climate scientists” around the world to convince and support her contentions are a bit juvenile really. Those “thousands” are mythical numbers just like her interpretation of the IPCC’s fifth report. If she had taken the time to read it she would have realized that it was chock full of ‘caveats’ and subtle shifts in emphasis. It no longer backs its own bet on CO2 as the prime cause of AGW. It backs off and bets two ways on most aspects. Sea level rise has not been measured virtually at all so it now talks of more moderate centimetres as opposed to metres of rises in the next hundred years. But Jinty and our local consultants still preach the old mantra. The latest weather extremes being experienced in the northern hemisphere are claimed to be caused by atmospheric vortexes caused by global warming!! Bloody amazing, when they get that desperate. Whenever there is a hint of extreme weather the claim is AGW. That our local people buy into this unsupported philosophy is really disturbing, particularly when it is being led by Dave Cull and Jinty. Together they seem committed to accepting the stuff put out by NIWA, some self-acclaimed OU specialists, plus some opportunistic ‘consultants’ who have climbed on the AGW band wagon. That the IPCC is being progressively and continuously outed by its own fraudulent people and being disproved by nature on an ongoing basis is another reason for concern. Jinty is no doubt, a confirmed devotee to the cause, and will therefore be a worry around council table unless there are enough to counter her expensive policies. Let’s hope that sanity will prevail.

    {*AGW – Anthropogenic Global Warming; Anti-Global Warming… -Eds}

    • Mike

      Here’s a pie chart comparing peer reviewed pro and anti climate change publications from scientific journals during the last year

      Here’s another one for 1991-2012

      I can see how Jinty could get that impression – 16208 articles for climate change, 25 against

      The raw data for this literature survey and a description of its methodology is available here: http://www.jamespowell.org/

      Remember there are large, monied interests who don’t want to do anything about climate change because it would cost them a lot of money, the FUD is thick and sticky on this one.

      {*FUD – Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt; Fear, Uncertainty, and Disinformation; Frequently Used Disinformation; Fair Use Doctrine -Eds}

    • Calvin Oaten
      January 13, 2014 at 10:32 am
      You say “Jinty is no doubt, a confirmed devotee to the cause, and will therefore be a worry around council table unless there are enough to counter her expensive policies. Let’s hope that sanity will prevail.”

      Sadly Calvin I doubt if sanity will prevail here. It is akin to a religion where faith is the greatest of all virtues. Reason and sanity are the casualties of such faith.

      Witness this absurd ‘flotilla’ photographed on the front page of the ODT this morning the present outward and visible manifestation of this religion. All of them barking. – Jinty is one of them too I’m afraid. Can Mayor Cull be so stupid?

  26. Calvin Oaten

    Mike, excuse my cynicism, but who is James Powell? Those charts are so complete as to be a nonsense. If I wanted to produce something like that it would be relatively simple, just exclude any and all information which is counter to that sought. It just beggars the imagination that anyone would be convinced by those charts. I have been on this earth long enough (many would stay too long) to recognize an aberration when I see it. If Jinty is buying into this sort of ‘jiggery pokery’ then God help us.

    • Mike

      simply someone who provides his references, methodology for others to criticise – that’s how science is done, you publish, people look at what you’ve done, try and reproduce it, publish that etc etc

      That’s how science is done, there’s no great incentive to support the status quo if you think that it’s wrong – remember the scientists who win the Nobels, that everyone remembers, who have the enduring reputations, are those who do original work, work that overturns the status quo – we don’t honour Einstein for his support of Newtonian physics, we remember him because he proved it wrong. We’re just not seeing that from climate scientists at the moment – I hope that they’re wrong – but then again Franz Joseph’s been retreating since the Industrial Revolution started

  27. Thanks to my friend who shall not be named.
    I’m spending this week in retreat with the Flat Earth Society, at their summit.

    For good measure, I’ve rented a Royal Navy destroyer for 12 months.
    R Duckies don’t stand a chance.

  28. Calvin Oaten

    I have just browsed through some of James Powell’s publications (books) as in the reference provided. He is an absolutely rabid AGW fan. Totally convinced to the point where I would describe him as biased. Check it out if you like. They are at discount on Kindle. I might just have a look at some in time.

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