Safe cycling –Cr Fliss Butcher

Tweet (04:12 PM – 21 Nov 12):

Fliss @koFliss
just posted a brief argument for using Copenhagen style cycle lanes in Dunedin see cycling in Dunedin. please retweet


bike lane (often with low solid raised barrier),

car parking,

then the road.

Posted by Elizabeth Kerr


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17 responses to “Safe cycling –Cr Fliss Butcher

  1. Swapping car-parks and cycle-lanes just means that car-doors are close to moving traffic instead of cyclists being close to traffic.
    Cycle lanes should not be on the main routes, especially SH1 where there there are lots of trucks. As a keen cyclist myself, I keep to the back streets for a safer and more pleasant ride.
    Putting white lines on the road does not make cycling safer, it just gives the illusion of safety. Cycling is only ever going to be a very minor part of transport in the city because it is not practical for most people, and the wind, rain, ice and hills.

  2. Peter

    ‘Cycling is only ever going to be a very minor part of transport in the city because it is not practical for most people, and the wind, rain, ice and hills.’
    Quite true, I’m afraid. Flat and/ or recreational routes like JWD…and that’s basically it.

  3. Russell Garbutt

    The bottom line is that the decision to put a cycle lane on State Highway 1 was both stupid and culpable. Combine that with synchronised traffic lights that encourage traffic to catch the next set of lights, a huge number of truck and trailer units using the road, short term hospital parking on SH1 and there we have it – a recipe for disaster. I came along Cumberland St this morning and the one thing I noticed was that there was little or no pedestrian traffic. Why not establish a cycle lane on one side of Cumberland St on the footpath and leave the other side for pedestrians? Ditto for the southbound road. Even as an interim measure until the decision makers start getting their heads round the problem it would only take a couple of signs,

    But maybe this is just too simple and sensible. Better call in St Farry of St Clair. Or get Jimbo back.

  4. Hype O'Thermia

    I dispute the assertion that cycling is only ever going to be a “very minor part of transport in the city”. I see more cycles and fewer motorbikes in town than I used to. Reasons may be –
    The cost of fuel
    The horrendous cost of motorbike registration, ACC component a big factor.
    Parking problems.
    Fitness awareness.
    Improved bikes since my first no-gears one :-\
    Hybrid motor-assisted new ones being developed, much cooler than the (forgotten) Mo-Ped.
    Time – take out the time finding a park then walking back to work or shop and you’re quite likely saving both time and fuel + parking $$.
    You can take a bike on a car, park some way away that’s free then bike the rest of the way. Try that vice-versa.

    My own experience on aforementioned ancient machine in town was terrifying, trucks looming up behind me, not enough power to make anything but flat roads suitable for riding so there was a lot of pushing bike up hills, and even slopes. Traumatised for life, I won’t be trying it again,,, but I support those who do and understand their reasons and think they deserve a fair go.

  5. Peter

    That sounds a good idea, Russell – ie Cumberland St. (Not the St Farry and Jimbo bit!)
    With finite financial resources, I’d prefer money spent more on public transport than cycle ways. We are not Christchurch or Amsterdam and never will be.

  6. Alistair

    Cycle lanes are not required for cycling around the city. In wide streets, they do not make much difference. Narrow and busy streets are best avoided whether they have cycle lanes or not.
    Cyclists just need to use some common-sense about the routes they take.

  7. Jacko

    The only cycle worth discussing, is the life cycle of the present council & councilors, and the sooner that cycle comes to an end the better.

  8. Hype O'Thermia

    Public transport is a bugger to retrofit into a city that grew in the age of the private motor-car. Add hill suburbs and most people’s intolerance of long walks in all weather to and from the bus stop, to catch the one bus an hour…. The dream of public transport taking over from private (car, bike, motorcycle, skateboard…) is just that, an idealistic dream. I don’t want to see more money wasted on empty buses. Shuttles like the ones to and from the airport might work, pick up people going from or to fairly much the same area, drop them off at the nearest corner if going right to the door is too much of a hassle & time-waster. No trouble carrying the heavy shopping, books, sports gear. Transport allowance from DCC to licensed badged private operators starting with all – the opposite of the infuriating inefficient stadium taxi deal – but they can lose their license for poor performance, re-apply after 6 months. That should keep them competitive in both service and price.

    • Elizabeth

      Local taxi operators have been looking into the IT systems available overseas for customer smartphone GPS tracking of available cars and shuttles. A while back What if? provided links to sites explaining this technology for use across public transport, taxis, and private vehicles for commuter ‘own’ use, including door to door service. Suits a city like this incredibly well.

  9. Hype O'Thermia

    MUCH more feasible than a conventional buses-on-bus-routes system. The public isn’t living with inflexibility nowadays, whether hours of work, or movie and TV watching, or reading only dead-tree books for pleasure and research. Waiting at bus stops for transport that gets you not particularly close to where you want to go – or missing the bus by 15 seconds when there’s not another for over an hour.

  10. Elizabeth

    ### November 23, 2012 – 5:59pm
    New bollards temporary measure to protect cyclists
    A series of bollards that have appeared on the one way system near the Queens Gardens are in place to protect cyclists.

  11. Elizabeth

    ### ODT Online Sat, 24 Nov 2012
    DCC seeks urgent cycle safety action
    By Rosie Manins
    The Dunedin City Council is urgently addressing safety issues for cyclists on the one-way state highway system through Dunedin, following the death of a cyclist on Cumberland St on Monday. Dunedin Mayor Dave Cull said discussions between councillors and staff about cycle safety began a while ago, but the death of Dr Li Hong (Chris) He this week highlighted the need for an urgent solution, which might include temporary measures while permanent changes are considered. Councillors and staff would meet early next week to determine what the council could do within the regulatory framework, what the NZTA was responsible for and how the organisations could work together.
    Read more

    • ### ODT Online Fri, 17 May 2013
      Parking changes to boost cycling safety
      By Chris Morris
      Dunedin’s central city parking is in for a shake-up as part of a push to improve cycle safety on the city’s one-way streets. Dunedin City Council staff have confirmed changes to on-street parking along Cumberland and Castle Sts, including removing some parks, modifying others and adding new parks in other location. The reshuffle will mean at least 81 individual changes across 17 sites, and possibly more, although the net result will be the loss of just three parking spaces from the city, a report by council transportation planning manager Sarah Connolly said.
      Read more

      Report – Council – 20/05/2013 (PDF, 8.6 MB)
      Update Regarding Cycle/Pedestrian Safety on One-Way Sections of State Highway 1

      • ### ODT Online Tue, 21 May 2013
        Parking changes for cycling safety approved
        By Debbie Porteous
        Plans to rejig parking to improve the safety of cyclists on Dunedin’s main thoroughfares have been approved after many questions and some criticism from city councillors.

        Councillors at a council meeting yesterday had a series of questions on design and technical issues for council staff and the NZTA, as well as queries about the the level of consultation that had been undertaken to this stage.

        The changes already supported by affected parties will be implemented pending discussions with the Southern District Health Board about an alternative location for a pick-up/drop-off zone for services on the Cumberland St side of Dunedin Hospital.
        Read more


        ### May 21, 2013 – 6:41pm
        Council votes on cycle safety matters
        The DCC has voted to move on short term options to improve cycle safety in Dunedin, with more changes in the pipeline. The vote followed an extended debate on a problem that has resulted in death and injury on city streets. And it heralds a future response that may see major changes for motorists.

        • ### May 23, 2013 – 6:38pm
          Community cycle forum intended to give voice to everyone
          A week that began with passionate debate on cycle safety is drawing to a close with a thorough look at the city from the vantage point of a bicycle seat. A community cycle forum to give voice to everyone from the DCC to cycle groups is just beginning as this bulletin goes to air.

        • F*** Double F*** !!!!

          ”Cycling initiatives are popping up in almost every part of our city. There’s a huge groundswell in the community of interest in cycling in all its forms.” -Liability Cull

          ### ODT Online Fri, 24 May 2013
          City to lead country in cycle safety
          By Rosie Manins
          Dunedin is set to lead the country in cycle safety. Projects worth more than $47 million will form a cycle network unlike any other within urban New Zealand, those at a forum in Dunedin heard last night.
          Read more

  12. Elizabeth

    ### ODT Online Wed, 28 Nov 2012
    DCC pushes for urgent action on cycling
    By Rosie Manins
    Dunedin City Council chief executive Paul Orders is writing to the New Zealand Transport Agency (NZTA) asking it to urgently address the issue of safety for cyclists on Dunedin’s one-way state highway system. At an extraordinary meeting of the council yesterday, councillors unanimously supported the motion for Mr Orders to start dialogue with the NZTA.
    Read more

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