Dunedin Harbourside: DCC “caved”

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### D Scene 26-10-11
Industry changes mean plans change (page 3)
By Wilma McCorkindale
Dunedin City Council has caved on the controversial portions of its plan to develop the Dunedin waterfront. In a decision by council at a meeting on September 19 and announced today, a proportion of the divisive plan change 7 – which rezoned a large port-industrial block for harbourside amenity uses – will not now go ahead, effective immediately. The block will now revert to Industrial 1 or Port Zone 2 in the DCC district plan. Also included in the decision was the listing of [Harbourside] heritage buildings in the [district] plan’s Schedule 25.1 to remain.
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Dunedin City Council – Media Release
Extent of Harbourside Zone Reduced

This item was published on 26 Oct 2011

At its meeting on 19 September 2011 the Dunedin City Council made a decision to withdraw the northern part of the Harbourside Zone. The zone on the southern side of the Steamer Basin will be retained to enable the mixed use environment. The removal of the plan change on the northern side means that the Harbourside Zone no longer exists and the area reverts back to its industrial and port zoning.

Since the release of the Commissioners’ decision on Plan Change 7: Dunedin harbourside in February 2009, the Council has been involved in resolving appeals to the plan change. Part of the Harbourside Zone was withdrawn in April 2010 to enable negotiations on the appeals to continue.

While agreements were being reached on most appeals the Council considered that the strategic environment has substantially changed since the Harbourside vision was originally developed and the plan change notified. The Council is currently developing a holistic vision to provide for the strategic planning framework for the city and its future. Reducing the extent of the Harbourside Zone to that on the south side of the Steamer Basin is a more appropriate fit with the overall vision for the city at this stage.

Cr Colin Weatherall, as the Council’s appointed mediator, confirms a number of issues have advanced and changed in priority since the Council’s vision was first developed some 10 years ago. In the interim, particularly the last 2 years while intense mediation has continued, the clarity around industry needs has become focussed while industry has developed hi-tech skills that support a new style industrial/support base for employment in Dunedin.

“The needs of the city, balanced with parties to the process, has been foremost as we worked towards this position, adding the focus on Council’s spatial planning and thinking confirming the wider focus for Dunedin’ says Cr Weatherall. “In addition, the impact of the economic recession (world, national and local) has reduced the potential for development in the wider context which was an integral component of the original vision.”

Mayor Dave Cull has previously praised the goodwill of the mediation process and the Otago Chamber of Commerce for its leadership in protecting jobs in the city and the wider region that it felt were threatened by Council’s proposal. “The Chamber’s constructive contribution, and that of the co-appellants, was crucial to this successful outcome,” said Mayor Cull.

Meanwhile, Otago Chamber of Commerce Chief Executive, John Christie, said “The Chamber applauds the Council’s decision following the lengthy mediation process. The Chamber and co-appellant’s aim was to protect industry and employment for the city and region. The city has partnered with us to achieve these aims.”

Plan Change 7 – Harbourside

Contact Dave Cull, Mayor of Dunedin on 477 4000.

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71 responses to “Dunedin Harbourside: DCC “caved”

  1. Elizabeth

    Proposed Plan Change 7 – Harbourside
    The proposal, described as a 50-year vision, was developed by the council and Port Otago’s property investment subsidiary, Chalmers Properties Ltd, which owns much of the land.

    ### ODT Online Wed, 26 Oct 2011
    Harbour plan scaled back
    By David Loughrey
    The Dunedin City Council’s plan to attract cafes, bars and apartments to the harbourside area of the city has contracted to involve just one smaller area beside the Steamer Basin, after a decade’s work and what is understood to be hundreds of thousands of dollars spent.

    Cr Colin Weatherall noted the council’s spatial plan would be released this week, which would provide more information on the future of planning for the city.

    The council announced yesterday it had decided to withdraw the northern part of the controversial harbourside zone. The zone on the southern side of the Steamer Basin would be retained to enable a mixed use environment.
    Read more

  2. Hype O'Thermia

    Another of Jimbo’s favoured “visions” wasn’t it? He left an outstanding legacy one way and another … “what is understood to be hundreds of thousands of dollars spent.”

    • Elizabeth

      Chalmers Properties Ltd was, at one time, going for a private plan change; DCC rightly stepped in but became mired through lack of consultation, railroading, and little things like Jim hiring a consultant that detailed the plan change against ‘belief’… Then dumping that lot on City Planning, which had to take the intensity of ire and heat.

  3. Calvin Oaten

    Just another one of “Jimbo’s” chickens coming home to roost. Cr Weatherall’s comments are laughable as well. Why council let the issue roll on for so long is just another example of a lack of due diligence right from the start. Turn a consultant loose on anything and they will turn a snack into a feast in an instant.We just pay the bills.

    • Elizabeth

      ### ODT Online Thu, 27 Oct 2011
      Harbourside zone firms concerned
      Dunedin businesses in the last remaining section of “harbourside” area would prefer the zoning was dropped completely, and have raised concerns they will be subject to noise complaints and rising property prices. But both the Otago Chamber of Commerce and the Dunedin City Council yesterday promised rules put in place following a laborious process of mediation meant those already in the area were fully protected.
      Read more

      • Elizabeth

        “The site is highly visible to thousands of passing motorists travelling to or from Portsmouth Dr and southern suburbs.” Unfortunately Tim, the quality of architectural design has always been lacking for your ‘site solution’.

        ### ODT Online Fri, 16 Dec 2011
        Dunedin developer finally gets the nod
        By David Loughrey
        Two Environment Court documents released in the past week spell the end of a lengthy attempt by Dunedin developer Tim Barnett to fight restrictions on his ability to build on a long-empty piece of harbourside land. The documents relate to his appeal against the Dunedin City Council’s plan change 7, or harbourside rezoning which, they said, was “nugatory”, or no longer valid. That meant no restrictions remain for the land at 41 Wharf St, on which he has resource consent to build a planned three-storey office and residential building beside the Steamer Basin at Otago Harbour.
        Read more

        • Elizabeth

          ### ODT Online Fri, 16 Mar 2012
          Harbourside decision to be considered
          By David Loughrey
          The laborious, decade-long process to allow the development of the Dunedin harbourside has ended with a two-page document from the Environment Court. The document allowed some parts of an appeal from local business on the plan, and dismissed others after a mediation period that lasted two years, and kept the matter from going to a hearing. The result, as became clear in October last year, was a much-reduced zone for development on the south side of the Steamer Basin, a far cry from the ambitious proposal first announced.
          Read more

        • Elizabeth

          South side… the GOBS never stop. The timing is no accident.

          Asian interests are believed to be involved in the development.

          ### ODT Online Fri, 11 May 2012
          Harbour hotel proposed for Dunedin
          By Dene Mackenzie
          Dunedin’s construction, hospitality and tourism industries will receive a substantial boost today with the announcement of a proposed multimillion-dollar development. The Otago Daily Times understands the announcement involves the construction of a hotel in the city worth an estimated $80 million to $100 million. The most likely development sites are either at the Steamer Basin, on the site originally ear-marked for a new Otago Regional Council headquarters, or a long-vacant site beside the railway line at the top of the basin.

          The announcement will be made at the Forsyth Barr Stadium by Dunedin lawyer Steve Rodgers, of Rodgers Law, who is representing the developer.

          Read more

          ****

          ### ODT Online Fri, 11 May 2012
          $100m hotel for Dunedin waterfront
          A $100 million 28-storey luxury hotel – which would be the tallest building in Dunedin – is planned for the city’s waterfront. Plans for the five-star hotel on Wharf St were unveiled at a lunchtime press conference by Steve Rodgers, of Rodgers Law. The identity of the developers has yet to revealed. The hotel will have a rooftop restaurant, 164 apartments, 215 rooms and 121 car-parks.

          Resource consent applications are being lodged today and the project is planned to be completed by 2015.

          Dunedin Mayor Dave Cull and Tourism Dunedin chief executive Hamish Saxton also fronted the announcement.
          Read more

          QUESTION – IS CULL LIKE CHIN ?

  4. Anonymous

    This looks like Harbourside by stealth. The history of 41 Wharf St is somewhat interesting, given that resource consent for a modest 3-storey office building was fought for nearly 3 years.
    Something smells fishy here.

    • Elizabeth

      Hey, DCC wanted a new ramp for the Jetty St overbridge. Meanwhile a deal was done, since it is only about a ‘resource consent to sell’. And maybe nothing much was selling yet near Leith Boat Harbour (Farry’s vision, a reserve in the way just now…). We should ask Don Anderson what he’s been whispering in Tim Barnett’s ear – and who sold the dream to Eion and Michael for the overseas interest. NBR is on it…
      Stephen Cairns. All the grand old boys – with lesser lights Cull and Saxton to provide shine, and that’s just on their backsides.

      • Elizabeth

        How do you tell your Asian hotel investor(s) the stadium will close. No wonder Cull and Councillors want to make the “stadium work”. Dust into gold. The shysters in this town are an embarrassment on a daily basis. How many hotels are needed in Christchurch. New chains, old chains. Where’s Hagaman and McLauchlan in this.

  5. Anonymous

    How far would you have to go down there before a pile touched something solid? 28 storeys? Grand Chancellor in ChCh was 26 storeys. Honeymoon hotel? Just as well it is not a capsule hotel. Just wait and we will get an overbridge and convention centre. Just move those messy noisy marshalling yards first. Why would you make an announcement at a Council-owned facility, with the Mayor and CEO of a Council-owned enterprise? If it was nothing to do with Council. How far advanced is Project Shanghai?

  6. Anonymous

    Dunedin Born on ODT Online notes it is “awful tall” and wonders about the potential for custom. Easy, it’s called oil drilling. At that level it has already been decided behind closed doors so it’s just a media managed process of putting in place the resources necessary to support it. This council is broke, run by an increasingly desperate mayor, full of stadium councillors with assets to boot – it is a city ripe for the plucking by the types with big money and no morals.

  7. Phil

    It’s really nothing more than noise at the moment. They need to pre-sell the majority of the rooms first before they even contemplate going ahead. Maybe it’ll happen, but it’s miles away yet.

  8. Kafkas Dream

    I’m sure you’ll all be looking forward to the Council announcing the new ratepayer funded pedestrian accessway and rail crossing to assist this “development” in revitalising the area. Such a proposal was canned in last year’s annual plan, remember? Perhaps I’m just being cynical.

  9. Phil

    I remember, years ago, there was a real issue with an overbridge in that area. It had to do with DCC receiving national roading funding for the state highway bypass between the Oval and Anzac Avenue. In order to receive the funding for construction and ongoing maintenance, there is a minimum height restriction requirement for the road. To allow for heavy traffic. That meant that any new overbridge would had to be constructed at a height greater than the existing major traffic bridge further back along the one-way street system towards the Oval.

    The height required then created an accessibility issue. In order to meet the accessibility requirements (for wheelchairs etc), ramps at each end would have to be nearly 100m long. Spiral ramps are no longer acceptable. It was those extra costs and additional land requirements which stopped the project in its tracks last time. From memory, most of that land was owned by Ngai Tahu at the time. Former CEO Murray Douglas owned the pub on the other side of the tracks at the time, and he was the main driver behind the overbridge proposal. But, in the end, even he couldn’t justify the cost.

    That accessibility issue is why the DCC have never replaced the footbridge over the tracks at Railway Station.

  10. Anonymous

    Since this is New Zealand, I propose a zip line from the 14th floor to make the Chinese Gardens more accessible and circumvent all the nasty resource consent requirements.

    This isn’t for oil workers – this is for Chinese weddings of the elite of Shanghai. They will arrive on direct flights, be whisked direct to the hotel. They will then partake of tourist activities offered by the preferred providers of the Tourism Dunedin cartel. Then on to Queenstown and Te Anau by bus where they can ascend the gondola or go under the mountain by tunnel, depending on which bit gets sold first.

    One 777 at 300 seats is 150 couples. 6 months in the summer would be 10-20K visitors, out of a city of 10 million, no problem. The future is here and we are a theme park.

  11. Phil

    Of course they will. And while they are here they can pop over to meet Dalai Lama at the stadium.

  12. Calvin Oaten

    I can’t believe the excitement this has created. Apart from Hamish Saxton, I wouldn’t believe there was a soul in Dunedin who were sucked in by this. But, it is a sick joke perpetrated by few, backed up by that old ‘glove puppet’ Eion Edgar and Michael Hill, for God’s sake, I doubt that he even knows where Dunedin is. Seriously, it will NEVER be built. Just a smoke screen of feel good proportions designed to take the ‘plebs’ minds off the real situation.

  13. Anonymous

    I was just thinking about how Peter Chin would sell Dunedin to the international market and whether his friends ever follow up that pitch with an Internet search… when up pops Peter in the same sentence as John Farry. Nothing new there but off-topic for a moment, it seems WebbFarry is making old pages available for searching where Peter is still listed as a “current Dunedin City Councillor”.

    http://www.webbfarry.co.nz/html/dunedin.htm

    • Elizabeth

      Anonymous, can’t we be happy they trotted out Roy Rogers on his pony. Just for us.

      And Mister Ed the talking horse.

  14. Anonymous

    That new council marketing team flexing a bit of muscle, eh? For over a million in wages each year for a spook department suggests this council sure has a LOT to hide. Do wonder how they’re hiding the media management expenses though. More “parking tips” maybe?

  15. Anonymous

    I love how in the Ch9 video they have morphed our massively expensive Museum shop into apartments and magically transformed the railway line into a tree-lined dual carriageway.

  16. Peter

    I wonder what Earl Baby thinks of the competition?

  17. Phil

    Probably my favourite part of the media release was that the announcement was made at the FORSYTH BARR STADIUM. Clearly that was a vital piece of information, without which the whole story would have just fallen apart. Never miss an opportunity to have your mates give you free advertising, I say.

  18. Anonymous

    The Otago Daily Times is very accommodating like that too. A bit like its “$100m hotel for Dunedin waterfront” inexplicably sitting at the top of the Most Popular list as though everyone is feverishly clicking on it. Haven’t seen that sort of enthusiasm for a bit of the Oddity since it posted video footage of naked people playing rugby.

  19. Peter

    From the promo video the hotel looked like it was surrounded by roads and railway line. Nice. They call it a ‘sustainable’ project. How exactly? Seems like you can create a monstrosity and if it has double glazing and insulation it is ‘sustainable’. With the view of the peninsula, from the comfort of your hotel suite, you don’t even have to drive there for a look. I guess that’s sustainable.

  20. ormk

    Good work! This site is fast becoming a more important news organ than the ODT. :-)

    {very kind, thankyou}

  21. Lindsay

    The ODT seem to be afflicted with some sort of Alzheimer’s for newspapers. They seem quite lucid about what took place years ago but become decidedly vague about what is happening right now. It is hard to imagine how you could write a story about the stadium posting a massive loss for its first six months of operation, but fail to mention that they are already in debt for three million so actually owe five, or that DVL are showing a loss of five million for the same period. It is more ‘reporting’ than it is journalism’, i.e. go to a press conference and report word for word what you have been told, add in a nice graphic and you have your front page with time left to pop over the road for a pint.

    • Elizabeth

      Some senility.

      Mister Ed says:
      “This $100 million development will be the best thing that could ever happen to Dunedin after the building of the Forsyth Barr Stadium.”

      Mayor Dave Cull quoted the DCC chief executive Paul Orders as saying “we could roll out the red carpet, not the red tape”.

      Cowboy Rogers is acting for an “unnamed organisation” who believe Dunedin has needed a high-end hotel for a while.[…]”And my people are very much pro-Dunedin.”

      (Ch9 Link)

      If council planners and hearing commissioners deliberately turned a blind eye to the stadium (as well as the orange box) in regard to potential landscape effects, they will be told (or paid) to do so again.

      Paul Orders better pull his head in.
      Cull established his place in the gutter years ago.

      Let’s hope the great quake and tsunami arrives early 2016, to put the Dunedin Mob out of its misery.

      Watershitdown ‘arquitectonica miami’ turned Holiday Inn ?

      NZ Herald: $100m hotel for Dunedin waterfront
      http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10805194

  22. Anonymous

    It’s like a brick wall blocking out sun and view. Wouldn’t it be nice if they built something that fitted in with the environment?

    Assuming this isn’t some sort of rich boy windup or the DCC spooks running media interference, then there are some really unusual interests behind this thing. We have a desperate council, corrupt and corrupted. They would dismiss the many thousands of complaints and sell-out in a moment given enough incentive. Dunedin’s assets are already up for sale so why not build another big glass box on the habour?

    The ODT would be hyper-enthusiastic if the usual stakeholders were involved and one or two proponents would maintain the official line of ‘get over it’ on its forum.

  23. Anonymous

    Since neither Eion Edgar nor Michael Hill live in Dunedin yet are supportive of a 28-story building being built on our harbour, they should get one built on their lakeside first and see how that works out for them. Then they can template the process and buy our council… oh wait, I mean sell it to our council… oh wait….. sigh.

  24. DaveM

    I welcome a big hotel development in Dunedin, but not the imposition of a giant 80s throwback on our skyline. There needs to be negotiation and rethinking of the design, without bandying about the easy label ‘negativity’.

  25. Peter

    Something is fishy here. The developers are a mystery and won’t be named until construction begins. Who, in their right mind, would buy a unit title on this basis? You would surely want to put your money up with someone/group who was known and reputable.
    I’m beginning to wonder if this ‘wow factor’ announcement is a smokescreen for the bad stadium news over the last week. A fancy wow video and an announcement in due course that the proposal has been put on the backburner, because of the economic climate, wouldn’t surprise me.
    Is it beyond the realms of possibility that the hotel is constructed to a point where its skeleton form overpowers the skyline and then the money runs out? I understand Spain – and probably other places – has this kind of scenario on the Costa del Sol.

  26. Anonymous

    Yep, guessing so too, “Hotel developers remain a mystery” mysteriously knocked everything down the Most Popular list this morning. Like someone got into the office, read the memo and cracked on with the hard job of ticking the box beside “Make Most Popular”. Got to wonder if there’s a media management budget in this one. The line is probably getting a bit blurred between ads with stories and stories that are ads. Campbell Live feels like that sometimes. The media has been its own mystery in this town since the inception of the stadium vision – with the memorable exception of the Ryan Keen period.

  27. Anonymous

    Questions to ask:
    1. When was the Tourism Dunedin event at FBS for this announcement booked?
    2. Was the release of the DVML report and the stadium cost report timed to coincide with this event?

    A 28 storey hotel is 100m tall, near enough. This is 3 times the height of John Wickliffe House. Look at the lighting towers on the railway line – those are 60m high, near enough.

    The artists impression and the video are misleading:
    – the height is not to scale
    – the overbridge has been removed
    – the railway line has been removed
    – the Settlers Museum has been converted to apartments
    – the Chinese Gardens have been removed

    I understand artistic licence, but come on….
    Shadowy developer, red carpet, not red tape, Eion Edgar, Michael Hill FFS. This council is being played for the fools that they are.

  28. Anonymous

    Also fishy is the need to name drop Eion and Michael and then include the announcement was at Eion’s entertainment venue FORSYTH BARR stadium. Forsyth has a thing for tall buildings and putting its name on top of them. Interestingly though the Leviathan Hotel may be the winner in this publicity stunt with Dunedin Hotel featured along the top of the image. The Leviathan owns http://www.dunedinhotel.co.nz.

  29. James

    Moller architects have a bit of a thing for towers (Sky and Macau Towers) attached to Casinos. Stanley Ho would seem a bit too obvious as a backer, though obviously would absolutely have enough $$
    http://www.mollerarchitects.com/clients.html

    Speaking of $$, assuming that cutting red tape and laying out the red carpet isn’t code for rates relief, the rates for this hotel would be ~$1m/year…

  30. Hype O'Thermia

    Is there any indication that Dunedin has fewer hotel rooms than demand, excluding RWC which won’t be happening again here for well over a fortnight………. Is this another “build it and they will come”?

  31. Peter

    Now you are learning The Southern Way, Hype. Yes, indeed. Build It and They will Come. This 28 storey five star hotel will be something that wealthy Asian tourists have never encountered in their whole lives and will make a beeline to Dunedin for. They will be impressed and learn something from us. What will they call it? The Albatross Inn?

  32. Hype O'Thermia

    Looking again at the picture of the hotel I wondered why anyone would make public anything so goddamn fugly. Then I remembered, and wondered why I had stopped to wonder.
    Present something extreme and hideous and rule-breaking in many ways. You will need some rules altered, some concessions given, perhaps some free money from the ever-ripe for plunder ratepayers of Dunedin and their elected roll-over-and-hander-overs a.k.a. council. With heart-rending cries of “It’s impossible to change the plan” and “You’re making it impossible for us to go ahead with this big earner that will Put Dunedin On The Map” (that one did well last time) and a rentamob chorus of bleaters chanting “Nay-sayers! Anti-progress!” they can gradually back down to what they intended in the first place.
    Tell me you haven’t seen the tactic at work before. Go on – tell me. I won’t believe you. At best I’ll know you haven’t been paying attention. Either that or you’re one of the gullibles. Good luck with the zillion dollar inheritance you’ve offered by email from a stranger!

    • Elizabeth

      Full negativity will be required towards this proposal from a planning / resource management perspective. If we don’t want it.

      That’s not to say we don’t want hotel rooms. But what is the need?

      What are the alternatives Cowboy Rogers and his stooges have given fair and balanced consideration to? We’re not told.

      There are no niceties in planning law – the RMA is a dog due to its inherent weaknesses that have been legislated. The community-owned, regulatory Dunedin City District Plan is riddled with ‘problems’. Not the least of which are the terms and conditions arrived at in the aftermath of the Harbourside Plan Change, for south of the Steamer Basin.

      The resource consent process, the proponents say, is aimed for completion by the end of this year (2012) – they dreamed up the hotel idea from October 2011 onwards, they say. Motoring.

      To me this looks like the bog standard of speculative building (in other cities’ terms this is medium rise). I dare say the whole thing is a template, with a few poorly thought ‘flourishes’ added by convention – we’ve all seen these sorts of designs before.

      A tabled ‘concept’ hardly ever resembles – with any accuracy – the ‘final’ building on completion of construction – since by and large, the resource consent application is only INDICATIVE as to use, bulk and location, nothing more.

      If the hearing commissioners grant consent to the application, and it goes to appeal, given the length of time appeals are taking to process in the wake of Christchurch #eqnz, then there is no way consent would be finalised for a very long time (assuming it had a relatively smooth run at appeal).

      As seen, it flouts so many aspects (objectives, policies and methods) of the Dunedin City District Plan that opposers in submission will have a field day (NAYSAYERS, rise up!) – even allowing for limitations of the District Plan and the RMA that work in the developers’ favour. Opposition, however, will be Expensive.

  33. Calvin Oaten

    Hey! This pub diversion has certainly worked. Hardly a squawk from the ‘plebs’ about yesterday’s other announcement the PWC Stadium Cost Report. Clever PR if you ask me.

  34. Peter

    To think this is next door…well, virtually on top of…… the warehouse historic precinct that the city so lovingly wants to develop.. tests the bounds of absurdity.
    This proposal, if it goes ahead, and from what I can gather from reaction so far from people I know, will only compound the divisive agony the city has already gone through with the stadium. What’s up with these people? Do they hate Dunedin that much to want to destroy it, visually, with some Chinese monstrosity so typical of their cities?

    • Elizabeth

      Peter, this is exactly where Dave Cull’s credibility flies out the window – again.

      (tasteless gorms are another topic!)

    • Elizabeth

      A team of international architects, represented by New Zealand architect Gordon Moller, of Moller Architects, was briefed to design a tall, elegant building with high-quality aesthetics which would be recognised for design excellence. -ODT

      Another architecture firm with a badly designed website.
      Don’t forget to message Moller Architects (Attention: Gordon Moller) through their website to let them know what you think of their hotel concept.

      Watershitdown ‘arquitectonica miami’ turned Holiday Inn ? Image: NZ Herald

      Resource consent applications were lodged yesterday.

      Mr Rodgers said the names of the developers would be made available when construction started – expected to be early next year.

      ### ODT Online Sat, 12 May 2012
      Hotel developers remain a mystery
      By Dene Mackenzie
      Plans for a five-star, 28-storey luxury hotel were announced for Dunedin yesterday, but the names of the developers behind the $100 million project are not known. Dunedin lawyer Steve Rodgers is acting for the developers but would not be drawn yesterday on their names or nationality.

      Mr Rodgers is the director of Betterways Advisory Ltd, the development company.[…]He acknowledged the proposed hotel ran the risk of losing some credibility by not having the backers’ names made public, but assured the ODT he had acted for the developers for the past 10 years and said their credibility was sound.

      It was likely the developer would self-fund the project but could require some funding from banks.
      Read more

  35. rateswaste

    I think it’s time for a public street march calling for a vote of no confidence in the council

    {We agree! -Eds}

  36. Hype O'Thermia

    “Developer would self-fund” – is this like Malc’s funding model for the Fubar?

  37. Mike

    OK – looking at this picture on the front page of the USB I’m confused, they’re really going to flatten the early settlers museum, tear down First Church and the station? and build all those new buildings around it ……

    • Elizabeth

      Mike, fear not completely. Fast renderings are made easy by taking out tricksy and irregular old buildings and importing pre-drawn newies! Drawn in an instant, through laziness.

  38. Mike

    cough, I mean ODT

  39. Amanda

    ” was likely…” No. I don’t buy it. Too vague, why use this sort of language? Why not say, ‘the developer will self fund…’ They are softening us up for the big ratefund handout from council and the Hudson and cabal will hand them over. Because anything that will take away from the stadium con is going to get the green light.

    • Elizabeth

      I think we should kidnap the mayor and make him cough, as a first step to militant action against the DCC, what are being creamed by the GOBs.

      • Elizabeth

        ODT Editorial today:

        Now, Dunedin has Project Shanghai and various aims for business viability, alliances for innovation, as a magnet for skill and talent, for links beyond the borders and as a compelling destination. Because no cargo-cults are ever going to bestow great riches, the future lies in making Dunedin as attractive as possible, in making and taking opportunities, in striving to ensure Dunedin is a “great small city”. (Link)

        Hmmm. Build a multimillion dollar loss-making debt-funded multipurpose RUGBY stadium. Cripple DCC. Add a dead slab.

  40. Amanda

    Let’s not forget Hudson’s secret seven have the majority on council with the rest, including Greater Dunedin, not united at all. Hudson’s group have every reason to hang tight and support each other, if one goes down ( for gross negligence) they all do.

  41. ormk

    Let’s not forget the important stadium news that is going on right now! This fantastical scheme is just that.

  42. Rob Hamlin

    “New Zealand architect Gordon Moller, of Moller Architects, was briefed to design a tall, elegant building with high-quality aesthetics which would be recognised for design excellence”

    Perhaps this is also one of those McPravda abridgments….

    “New Zealand architect Gordon Moller, of Moller Architects, was briefed to design a tall, elegant building with high-quality aesthetics which would be recognised for design excellence [abridged]

    May have read….

    “New Zealand architect Gordon Moller, of Moller Architects, was briefed by Kellogs to design a tall, elegant cornflakes box, building on previously used cornflakes boxes with added bullshit referring to high-quality aesthetics which would be recognised by both the self interested and the gullible for design excellence with regard to all the other identical boxes.”

    ….or……

    It’s a box stupid!

  43. Anonymous

    It’s fairly odd how a newspaper can’t find out who is behind a proposed $100M project in Dunedin. It’s understandable with the Oddity but a little surprised with the national ones. I wonder if reporters go out nowadays and investigate something or just keep pressing Send & Receive until the next piece of watered-down scripted press release drops in from the Dunedin City Council.

  44. Hype O'Thermia

    Work on transforming the former Dunedin chief post office into a hotel is “still ticking away”, the developer behind the project says……
    http://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/209032/work-progressing-former-post-office

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