DCC Chief Executive, please not a footstep follower . . .

### ODT Online Fri, 25 Mar 2011
47 apply for Harland’s job
By Chris Morris
Nearly 50 candidates – some from as far away as the United Kingdom – have applied to be the Dunedin City Council’s next chief executive.
Former council chief executive Jim Harland announced his resignation late last year and finished on January 21. Athol Stephens is acting chief executive in the meantime.
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### ODT Online Fri, 25 Mar 2011
Editorial: Slowing council rates rises
Local territorial authorities are in the midst of the rates season. They have been preparing draft annual plans, and these are now going out for public submissions. In several districts, the trend is at least downwards, and almost all draft proposals are well under the figures projected under long-term plans.
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### ODT Online Fri, 25 Mar 2011
Landfill becoming ‘seventh eyesore’
By Chris Morris
A mountain of rubbish at Dunedin’s Green Island landfill risks becoming “the seventh eyesore of the city” as work at the site enters a new phase, a Dunedin city councillor says. Cr Colin Weatherall has emailed Dunedin City Council staff to express concern at the work at the council-owned landfill, which is exposing a view of rubbish to residents in surrounding suburbs and motorists on the Southern Motorway.
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Posted by Elizabeth Kerr


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61 responses to “DCC Chief Executive, please not a footstep follower . . .

  1. Peter

    Who, exactly, is on the appointments committee for the new CEO?

    Let’s hope, once they have a short list, they check references thoroughly and we don’t end up with another dud. Granted, it must be tricky checking references beyond reading between the lines of what is said – and not said. No doubt there will be many glowing references to mull over. It must be a real moral dilemma, from the other side, when such references are given – especially when you want to get rid of someone. It’s like pass the parcel.

    • Elizabeth

      Suspect given the value of the job, Peter, that more than written references will be needed and a rigorous process of speaking with referees is part of the process. Fingers crossed the shortlist the appointments committee come up with looks very good. From 47 candidates, I’m thinking some excellence will appear!

  2. Peter

    Yes, you’d expect there to be some excellent candidates, but let’s hope real excellence in the final choice is kept at the forefront and some footstep follower, as you put it, doesn’t pull through to get the job.
    I’m sure Harland came with excellent credentials. Look what happened.

  3. Phil

    The problem with Jim’s appointment was that he was hired in specifically to carry out the slash and burn staffing cuts that were completed in his first few months. That’s what they needed, and that’s the qualities they looked for in the applicants. Once that was done, they didn’t know quite what to do with him. Unfortunately, the next appointee is likely to be faced with the same demands. From the beginning. I hope that this time the selection process will look beyond the immediate demands of today.

  4. Peter

    Let’s hope they have the sense to keep the new CEO’s contract short, say for two to three years, so if we get a dud (theoretically) we can get rid of him/her sooner rather than later.
    ‘Thank you for your contribution, but we are now looking for someone with a ‘different fit’ for the job. We wish you well in your new endeavours and if you are ever back in town, do pop in. We’d love to see you.’ Isn’t that how it goes?

    • Elizabeth

      ### ODT Online Sat, 26 Mar 2011
      Council considers options for CEO
      By Chris Morris
      Those elected for Dunedin City Council will have a say in who becomes the organisation’s next chief executive, despite concerns the process could become a political football. Deputy Mayor Chris Staynes yesterday said a short list of candidates would be brought to Dunedin to be interviewed as planned, but would also meet Mayor Dave Cull and the city’s 14 councillors for a question-and-answer session.
      Read more

  5. Calvin Oaten

    Sheesh!! if we can go by this council’s recent performances we might just get another [word deleted] for CEO.

    {Moderated. -Eds}

  6. Anonymous

    Editors is Oatens latest post really acceptable? ‘Describing someone as a “retard” is offensive. Oaten may not realise it, but it is. It is a gutter response. The term ‘people in glass houses….’ springs to mind.

    {The offending comment has been moderated. -Eds}

  7. Calvin Oaten

    Anonymous, if it is not too difficult, look up the meanings in the Oxford Concise Dictionary “make slow or late, delay progress or development or arrival or accomplishment or happening of”. That will do I think. While you are there, look up also anonymous.

    {Moderated. Please keep things in perspective. -Eds}

  8. Kiwifly

    its good that the world is finally seeing you for the nasty bitter old man that you have become Calvin.

  9. Peter

    Once again, Kiwifly has nothing of substance to say.

  10. Anne Elliot

    Calvin, keep it up. We need people with your kind of insight and perspective.

    {Mr Oaten is not welcome to make this website liable. -Eds}

  11. Kiwifly

    peter i thought i was very insightful actually.You and Anne need to get over this unhealthy obsession for all things Calvin …its dragging you down to his level .(if that’s possible)

  12. Kiwifly

    {Mr Oaten’s last comment has been deleted. -Eds}

  13. DaveG

    I think the confusion comes from his use of the word as a noun and not a verb. I assume this was intentional. His dictionary reading and ‘explanation’ is for a verb, which is quite different. Therefore it is not an explanation at all, nor any more valid.

  14. Calvin Oaten

    Eds; I particularly like your impartiality when pressing your delete key. Is it that the exposing of ‘incognito’ twits for what they are too much for the people out there? Thank you for your insightful lesson on the Queen’s english DaveG

    {Mr Oaten, you exceed your welcome. You stand to be permanently banned from making comment at this site. -Eds}

  15. Calvin Oaten

    Aw Shucks! Just when I was having fun. Some people on this site are the epitome of the Texas saying “All hat and no cattle.”

    {That’s better. -Eds}

  16. Anonymous

    Calvin, I’ve yet to see you “expose” anyone or anything but your own self proclaimed “two years of secondary education”. Try to stick to issues and not personalities.

  17. Peter

    Well, if that ain’t bitchy I’ll eat my hat.

  18. Phil

    No-one (except for the CEO and his employers) knows how many of the actions of the CEO were driven by the CEO himself, and how many were the result of a direct instruction from his employer. Following the company line, which we all have to do at times as employees, regardless of one’s personal views on a particular subject.

    I think there’s a danger in not differentiating between the personal actions of a person, and their actions in the role of an employee. There’s no doubt that Jim was/is not particularly comfortable interacting with people. That was evident enough times during his tenure. That’s a personal action and an unfortunate trait to have when one is the CEO of a public service provider. Something that those involved in the selection process should have looked for and picked up on.

    I had a discussion with Jim in early 2008. We were looking at classic motorcycles at the time. Not particularly relevant information. Anyway, I asked him what he thought about this idea of a new stadium which was floating around. He replied to me that he didn’t think it was especially necessary for the future of the city, that he didn’t think it could be completed in time for the RWC and, if it had to be fast tracked in order to meet the RWC deadline then the additional cost would outweigh the income benefits.

    That was the opinion of a guy looking to buy a motorcycle.

    We all know that Jim went on to become the DCC driver for the stadium project. But, what we’ll never know is, did his personal opinion change, or did he simply act as his employers required of him.

  19. Russell Garbutt

    Phil, the fascinating tensions and interactions between a CEO and his/her Board are the subject of many a study. Let’s assume Harland was telling you his genuine thoughts about the stadium at the time he spoke with you.

    There are a range of possibilities that changed his mind until he became what many have judged to be a rabid supporter of the project. Here are just some of the possibilities.

    The first is that he may have been confronted by hitherto unknown financial benefits that had, until the time he spoke with you, been withheld from him. Judgement – not a snowball’s chance in hell. All the financial information that has gradually come out since the times he was involved in the Carisbrook Working Party have gone the opposite way.

    The second is that he was instructed to get behind the project no matter what by his Board (Council). It is possible that he was instructed to do so and as a “loyal employee” he had no choice despite his professional judgement. “I was only following orders”. Judgement on this – another snowball’s chance in hell. Despite there being a number of very strong supporters on the past Council such as Brown, Walls, Hudson, Guest and the like being in key positions to do just that, there were a number of others who were not in any real position of power to make up the numbers. I mean if you were the CEO and some of the also-rans wanted something, what would you do?

    Thirdly, too long spent in those circles who we all know about convinced him that he had no other choice but to get behind it. Most of the drivers of the project were unelected and all they had to do was to make it clear to Jim that if he wanted to survive in the town then this was the way to go. Judgement on this scenario – more likely. I’ve witnessed exactly how some of those people operate and it is not a pretty sight. We have also witnessed Harland’s forays into governance and policy setting – maybe, as some have pointed out – filling a bit of a vacuum which was utilised by other interests.

    The key person on the Board (Council) was Chin, and it is intriguing to see just how quickly he has dissolved into anonymity. Interesting.

    The other interesting thing to bear in mind is the sudden departure of Jim from the hallowed halls. All the platitudes, “time for a fresh start”, “other opportunities have arisen that I wish to pursue”, are familiar phrases we have all heard before when the balance of power has shifted or something is lurking behind the woodshed that we don’t know about.

    Whatever the reasons for Harland to change his mind, or conceal his mind, or for leaving are now nothing to do with a new CEO. The Council needs someone who has genuinely good management skills. If that person had been on board six years ago, my suggestion is that this City would not be now on the route to bankruptcy.

  20. Peter

    The staging of the stadium development was long in process before 2008, Phil. We had over $11m poured into the stadium before it was even built. The so- called ‘investigations’ was a ruse to make it look like they were doing the right thing in assessing the viability of the stadium. Of course they ignored the peer review reports which outlined the major risks of the project. All the exercise did was to fill consultants’ pockets but at least they did their job, I guess. We also had ‘the lines in the sand’, which were of course all breached. This was cynicism of the highest order. I’m sorry, but Harland, from observing what he DOES rather than what he SAYS in private conversations while discussing motorbikes, tells me something of the measure of the man. I also see what HE himself did to try and shut down opposition with intimidating STS.
    I think people fall into a trap with some of these people. In private conversations they tell you what they think you want to hear. You think, ‘oh X has said that… so…. that must be what they are really thinking’. It doesn’t necessarily follow with action. It’s quite a good trick really. It works every time.

  21. Calvin Oaten

    Phil, do you seriously think we would believe that you had that conversation in 2008 with Jim Harland? I think you might have wished it to the point of it becoming real in your mind. Even if Harland thought what you say, he would no more say it to a casual acquaintance at a motor cycle fair than fly. You should hope he doesn’t hear of this lest he rings his Anderson Lloyd people.

    • Elizabeth

      Having sat in on them, I note there was more than one council or council committee meeting where the Chief Executive expressed, as requested, his views (ie balanced reservations) about the stadium project. The vote to proceed or ignore lines in the sand, of course, goes to councillors.

      One person isn’t responsible for the project having progressed – presumably this isn’t in debate. Better to look at the collective responsibility of the council and its external cohorts for the hi-jackings.

      • Elizabeth

        ### ODT Online Sat, 28 May 2011
        Fewer than eight on CEO ‘short short-list’
        By David Loughrey
        The search for a new chief executive for the Dunedin City Council is down to a “short short-list” of fewer than eight applicants, Mayor Dave Cull said yesterday. Those applicants would appear before the council in about 10 days.
        Read more

        • Elizabeth

          ### ODT Online Wed, 15 Jun 2011
          Councillors to interview CEO candidates
          By Chris Morris
          Candidates vying to be the next Dunedin City Council chief executive will make their cases in person this weekend. Short-listed candidates will present themselves to Mayor Dave Cull and the city’s councillors, and answer questions, in a public-excluded council meeting in Dunedin on Saturday.
          Read more

  22. Peter

    True, that there is a collective responsibility for all of this, including those people behind the scenes pulling the strings. However, I think any expressions of doubt by Harland was merely an exercise in covering his arse when things turned to custard. He could point to these ‘expressions of concern’.
    Bev and I observed Harland at the STS injunction at the High Court in Christchurch. He was up and down like a jack-in-the-box going forward to his DCC legal team, presumably feeding them with material to argue on. This seemed to be particularly noticeable when they were struggling. Of course, in the end, they didn’t need to worry as the judge, Justice Chisholm, admitted he didn’t follow all the financials and didn’t have time to. Harland was more than a bit player. A very clever man, I must say.

  23. Russell Garbutt

    There is no doubt that collective responsibility must prevail, but the reality is that with many CEOs and Boards, there are a number of common factors.

    Firstly, there are usually some on a Board that know little or nothing about what is actually going on. I could easily name those on the Dunedin City Council or the Otago Regional Council who know little else apart from the time to show up for free nibbles, lunches, or drinkies. I bet that most other people could name them as well. Can you imagine those particular Councillors being required to individually answer questions on the intricacies of the rugby stadium funding, where debt lays, tax benefits and the like? They wouldn’t know where to start in my view.

    CEOs, or CEOs and Chair combinations, have an inordinate amount of power to control information and that control of information is key to getting decisions made that those two need to have made. I’m not sure exactly how crucial the role played by Chin in this information flow was, but judging by his performance when interviewed by radio or tv when there is little opportunity to “clean up” whatever it was he actually said, he didn’t seem to have much of a grasp on anything.

    So, the CEO in this case can determine a course of action or a series of decisions by determining or deciding what information was presented, in what format, and at what time. Which of the previous Councillors were astute enough to ask the real questions? Which were diverted by a whole pile of extraneous other stuff? Which were simply thinking of the next refreshment break?

    As I said earlier, there are a number of interesting questions surrounding Harland’s departure, the answers to which are yet to surface, but none have much bearing on who gets appointed to be the next CEO. Wouldn’t it be nice to have someone appointed that could actually fill the required functions of a CEO?

  24. Peter

    Yes, Russell, the talent pool on councils is low. Probably not just our own. Not enough good people putting themselves up for election (who could blame them wasting their time) and some of those who do put themselves up just need an income stream. Excellent conditions, as you say, for a CEO to exploit if he/she is that way inclined. It must be intoxicating to be able to sway a witless group of people. With those who do have a mind of their own, all a CEO/ Mayor and his A Team have to do is to institute disciplinary proceedings to shut such errant councillors up. Or send legal letters to warn them of defamation. Or, as one of this term’s A Team did recently, threaten one councillor to be removed from the council chamber.
    I understand one former councillor, when put before the Disciplinary Committee – mocked the Kangaroo court arraigned before him – and walked away. They could do nothing about it.
    We don’t necessarily need the most intelligent people on council – more those with basic intelligence, ‘common sense’, strong values and sense of decency. Some of the more intelligent ones there are as ineffective as the more vacant ones because they have no personal or political compass to guide them.

  25. Anonymous

    Peter I would say the more ‘vacant’ ones failed to get elected (more than once).

  26. Russell Garbutt

    Anonymous, you are incorrect. Surely you can even identify the people currently sitting round the DCC Council table who couldn’t even qualify to run a local croquet club.

  27. Phil

    After the drivel that you’ve been posting on here as “fact” over the years, Calvin, I should be surprised that you decide to tear apart any contrary events as an “obvious lie”. Strangely enough, I’m not. I’m more than happy to stand by what I know to be the truth. You, on the other hand, seem to be content for the truth to be whatever you think it deserves to be. The results speak for themselves. I think I’ll stick to my course.

  28. Peter

    I get a funny feeling there might be more than one ‘Phil’ here. (Leaving aside Phil Cole who identifies his whole name)

  29. Phil

    Sorry to disappoint, Peter. As far as I’ve been able to tell there’s only the one of me here. I think you might be confusing me with Calvin’s “Kiwifly” pet. I like to think of myself as a fairly tolerant person, but when someone straight out accuses me of lying, with zero supporting evidence, I’m going to take exception. Regardless of who they are. I’ve always been very careful never to pass comment on something that I couldn’t back up. The problem with credibility is that once it’s exposed, it’s gone for good.

  30. Calvin Oaten

    Phil. Who mentioned anything about an “obvious lie”? A fanciful figment of the imagination perhaps. As you say, you would never pass comment on something you couldn’t back up. Well do so and I will be the first to apologise. A letter from Jim Harland confirming your conversation would suffice. Now there’s a load of drivel for you.

  31. Phil

    Actually Calvin, it was you who accused me of lying: “Phil, do you seriously think we would believe that you had that conversation in 2008 with Jim Harland”.

    You are asking for proof to support my statement and yet you feel no need to provide any evidence to support your allegations about me ? Makes for a pretty cruisy ride for you. You wonder why you don’t get taken seriously at times on forums, media sites, or by the establishment. Maybe you should take the time to read what you are writing first. You may well have some reasonable things to say, but when it’s continually being wrapped up with poorly directed attacks and comments, no-one is ever going to bother to wade through it all. You will have noted during my time here that I’ve been happy to support your thoughts based on their merits. By the same token, I’m not going to accept those comments from you or anyone else which I deem to be unacceptable. I’m sure you would wish for nothing less.

  32. Calvin Oaten

    Actually Phil, I wasn’t accusing you of lying. I was merely expressing disbelief at your claimed conversation with Jim Harland. Why? because I find it difficult to think of him saying what you claimed in 2008. In 2004, 2005 or maybe early 2006, but not in 2008. I was at the 2004 public meeting for the public announcement of the ORFU commissioned MWH report on Carisbrook. Harland spoke then and I was left in no doubt as to his determination to save Carisbrook. This, as we all know morphed into the Awatea St Stadium. Always publicly Harland was a strong proponent. You say you would never pass comment on something which you could not back up. I accept that and only ask you to back up with proof. As you say, I should wonder why I don’t get taken seriously at times on forums, media sites, or by the establishment. Particularly when it is continually being wrapped up with poorly directed attacks and comments, so no-one is ever going to bother to wade through it all. Actually, that is no more than a supposition on your part. You don’t know. Just as it is a supposition on my part in this instance. I don’t know and it is up to you to convince me, and no doubt, others.
    Phil, it is not personal, so don’t infer that it is.

    • Elizabeth

      ### ODT Online Mon, 20 Jun 2011
      Successor chosen but yet to accept
      By John Lewis
      The Dunedin City Council has selected a preferred chief executive, but it may be a week before that person is officially named. Shortlisted candidates were interviewed by Mayor Dave Cull and the city’s councillors during a public-excluded council meeting in Dunedin on Saturday.
      Read more

    • Elizabeth

      Questions 1-40 asked by DCC Appointments Commmittee:
      “Mr Orders, do you like Rugby, do you like Rugby a lot? Boy, have we got the job for you!”


      ### ODT Online Wed, 29 Jun 2011
      DCC appoints Welshman as new chief executive
      By Chris Morris
      The Dunedin City Council’s new chief executive will be a Welshman, it has been announced this morning. Paul Orders, corporate director (place) at Cardiff Council, has today been confirmed as the successful candidate for the post in Dunedin.
      Read more

      • Elizabeth

        Dunedin City Council – Media Release
        Council has new CEO

        This item was published on 29 Jun 2011

        Dunedin Mayor, Dave Cull, has announced that the Dunedin City Council has appointed a Welshman as Chief Executive Officer to lead the DCC staff team following the departure of Jim Harland earlier this year.

        Mr Paul Orders holds the senior executive position of Corporate Director (Place) with Cardiff Council where he’s responsible for a wide range of economic and environmental services including economic development, tourism, events, cultural venues, regeneration, planning, transportation, highways, waste management and the Cardiff Harbour Authority.

        His current major projects include Cardiff’s CBD and Sustainable Travel City initiatives, and the service redesign elements of the Council’s on-going service transformation programme, which includes a major re-shaping of the city’s recycling and waste management services.

        Mayor Cull, speaking of the appointment, said: “We have undertaken a wide-ranging and thorough search to find the right person for this job at a critical time in the city’s development. Mr Orders’ duties at the Cardiff Council and his previous experience give him exactly the skill set we were looking for. Paul’s experience in a European Capital City will serve Dunedin ratepayers well. Paul is also an Honorary Research Fellow at Cardiff University and I feel sure DCC staff will welcome a leader with such a wide range of experience.”

        For his part Mr Orders said: “This is a great opportunity for me to lead the DCC staff team and to make a contribution to the on-going development of Dunedin. I am looking forward to arriving in Dunedin with my family – hopefully in time for the Rugby World Cup – and to taking the city from strength to strength.”

        Mr Orders, married with three children, is a graduate of Cardiff, London and Cambridge Universities.

        It is expected Mr Orders will take up his position mid-September early October.

        Contact Mayor Dave Cull on 03 477 4000.

        DCC Link

        • Elizabeth

          ### ch9.co.nz June 29, 2011 – 7:10pm
          New Chief Executive of the Dunedin City Council
          Forty two year old Welshman Paul Orders is to be the new Chief Executive of the Dunedin City Council. He currently holds a senior executive position at the Cardiff Harbour Authority, and is looking forward to emigrating to New Zealand.

        • Elizabeth

          This week’s D Scene (page 2) says Paul Orders starts work as DCC’s Chief Executive on Monday 19 September. Here we go. He might be well paid, but no-one deserves this nasty mess of an LTA.

  33. Phil

    Whenever you accuse someone of not telling the truth, it’s personal. No getting around that mistake. And still you continue, having learnt nothing. I’ve watched you try and drag enough people into meaningless point scoring tit for tat games. I’m too old and experienced to be interested in following you down that road. Fortunately, the posts will remain here for anyone who wishes to draw their own conclusions. Time that you found someone else to play with.

  34. Anonymous

    No Russell, YOU are incorrect. If the voters had deemed them worthy, they would have been elected. They didn’t so that was the result. Are you suggesting you know better than the majority?

  35. Russell Garbutt

    Anonymous your logic is as flawed as some of the Councillors’ currently sitting round the table. Nothing whatsoever about knowing better than anyone else at all – all about a number of people who are put into positions that they are not able to fulfil. What you seem to be suggesting is that if all the people that stood were monkeys, then those monkeys that happened to get more votes than other monkeys are miraculously changed into something other than monkeys. Time you came out and revealed yourself I think so we can all assess where you are coming from.

    • Elizabeth

      May it please the populace visiting What if?, and without prejudice, Anonymous is a ‘name’ for use, freely available to all.

      Elizabeth Kerr, site author

  36. Stan

    Sorry Russell, you’re losing me here. You seem to be implying that *all* the other candidates who ran and weren’t elected were at least, in your view, as bad as those that were elected, if not worse. Have I got it right (I can’t see how your argument makes sense otherwise).

    PS A “nom de blog” is pretty much standard and accepted in this medium (see Kiwiblog for example). I find your and Calvin’s strong need to personalise things a little creepy sometimes (sorry).

  37. Russell Garbutt

    Stan, there is nothing creepy at all. I happen to believe that if I have a point of view to put then I’m quite prepared to reveal who I am. I just find it a bit strange despite it being “acceptable” that some people choose to remain anonymous. That is however, their choice. Interesting to note that the ODT printed version doesn’t allow nom de plumes while their on-line site does. I happen to believe that the use of a nom de plume can, and I emphasise that word can, devalue the contribution being made.

    On the other hand, we may not have seen what we have seen on Wikileaks without anonymity although the contributions by people like Anonymous in my view don’t fit into that category.

    In case you don’t fullly understand what I’m saying about elected people, what I’m suggesting is that just because a person is elected, it doesn’t make them qualified to fulfill their function. What Anonymous is getting at is highly personalised in my view and was aimed clearly at individuals that he/she didn’t want to name for reasons best known to themselves. A bit of a cheap shot.

    What he/her seems to be suggesting is that because a person is elected to office is that they are qualified. I don’t believe that this is the case, and the reasons that those people are elected are very complex indeed.

    For example, there are some Councillors/potential Councillors who argue quite strongly that having a surname closer to beginning with “A” gives those candidates an unfair advantage. They believe strongly in this view and can point to a number of results that seem to bear this out. Are they wrong? Others point to the fact that many people that stand whose name may be the same as a very famous person may get elected through confusion – are they wrong?

    Are there Councillors that are elected who get to that position because of a paucity of quality candidates? Short answer – demonstrably, but what this has to do with the quality of a CEO is starting to become a little more obtuse. What I think has been agreed is that there is collective responsibility in Councils, but that Councils are comprised of a number of people, some of whom are really not equipped to deal with the role that they are elected to fulfill. I don’t think that either you, or Anonymous can really demonstrate that this isn’t the case.

  38. Calvin Oaten

    Certainly some scratchy ‘egos’ and thin skins around here. Just because one asks for verification of a purported conversation it has to be an accusation of lying. Yes Phil, you are right about two things, anyone can draw their own conclusions (and probably will) and it is time I found someone else to play with. Too old and experienced? Your call.

  39. Stan

    Then why post all the stuff about picking monkeys from a field of monkeys? It doesn’t seem to relate to anything in your second post.

    Post your name if you like – that’s your choice. Frankly, I’m more interested in content, and your earthquake stuff would still have been good if you’d gone under the pseudonym of Sexbomb1000 :-) . Think of it as a blind review.

  40. Kiwifly

    Too old and experienced says Calvin…well you got the old bit right anyway.

  41. Russell Garbutt

    Stan, the reference to monkeys means that if, in an election 50 make themselves available for 10 positions, but all the people in the race are not up to the requirements of the elected position, then simply electing them doesn’t make them qualified.

    I’m glad you are interested in content – interestingly since you refer to my Earthquake piece, you might be interested to know that when I reminded those magazines after the September event that I had submitted my article to them some months earlier, I only got one response. The Listener contacted me and the first question they asked was “Who are you?” If I had been an academic in the field of seismology the content would have been OK I assume, but since I wasn’t, the content was ignored – despite them being informed that it had been reviewed by a leading professional in the field and assessed by him as being worthy of publication. Your suggestion of a nom de plume probably wouldn’t be appropriate in my case I suspect…

    Anyway, as I said, this is getting a little away from the issue of a new CEO and the qualities required to manage a City hell-bent on destroying itself through an obsession with professional rugby.

  42. Peter

    Hopefully someone with the intestinal fortitude to throw the money changers out of the temple.

  43. Phil

    12 months after his controversial internal promotion. That’s a pretty short space of time to decide that you hate your new high paying job.

    • Elizabeth

      “We didn’t employ him for business as usual. We employed him because we want some things to change.” -Mayor Dave Cull

      ### ODT Online Thu, 30 Jun 2011
      Council names new chief executive
      By Chris Morris
      The Dunedin City Council has a new chief executive – and he already has an eye on the Forsyth Barr Stadium and the need to cut council costs and mounting debt levels.

      Making sure Dunedin’s stadium was profitable and capable of helping transform the city, while finding other ways to save money, would “absolutely” be key parts of his new role. -Paul Orders

      Read more

  44. 12 months after his controversial internal promotion. That’s a pretty short space of time to decide that you hate your new high paying job.
    I’m just following google…. but it seems that it was the process of his promotion rather than him that was controversial? Or do you have info that says otherwise.
    Also, at current exchange rates, his new job pays much better.

    • Elizabeth

      Haven’t got my hopes up. One person, a chief executive, does not a winning council make. Certainly, not while the council’s elected arm lacks depth and integrity.


      ### ODT Online Fri, 1 Jul 2011
      Editorial: Tall Orders: the challenges ahead
      Examine the credentials and promise of the newly-appointed Dunedin City Council chief executive, Paul Orders, and it is easy to see why he has been appointed.

      Everyone knows, or at least should be aware, that Dunedin ratepayers face years of unacceptable rate increases and mounting debts.

      The current council has had a mixed first seven months, partly understandable because of the lack of a permanent chief executive. But there have also been disconcerting signs that it, too, lacks the fortitude to stop rises in rates and debts.

      Read more

      • Elizabeth

        ### ODT Online Wed, 3 Aug 2011
        $84,000 spent to recruit council CEO
        By Chris Morris
        The hunt for a new Dunedin City Council chief executive could be the most expensive recruitment drive in the council’s history. The council paid just over $84,000 in the search for a replacement for chief executive Jim Harland, with more than half the money going to a private firm charged with finding the best candidates, it has been confirmed.
        Read more

  45. Calvin Oaten

    Another $700,000 – plus interest – to house an engine. That’s OK, then there is the matter of some more swimming pools. Better be quick before Orders come from on high to curtail spending.

  46. Amanda kennedy

    Crocodile tears from Mr Smith’s editor. Has he just figured out that we will have high rates for years to service debt? Since Mr Smith’s paper has pushed for the stadium and its debt we can assume that he and his editors are fine with the debt. No point trying to appear bothered by it now. This editor is trying to do what Crs Hudson and Stadium mates are doing; pretending the stadium came about magically, so no one can possibly be responsible for it or its debt.

  47. Amanda kennedy

    If this editor is so distressed by the debt how about he speaks with Mr Smith and tries to convince him to dive into his millions and pay for the ODT birthday party at the stadium he supports himself? That would save ratepayers $70,000.

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