Events could shift south #eqnz

UPDATE – 16 March 2011
(3.28pm, via NZHerald) Rugby World Cup decision made with “great regret”: nzh.tw/10712838 #RWC2011 #eqnz
(3.17pm, via TVNZNews)Christchurch loses RWC games http://bit.ly/gjc4Yx #TVNZNews
(3.13pm, via NZStuff) Christchurch loses Rugby World Cup games
http://dlvr.it/KP3gY
(3.13pm, via TVNZNews) Pool matches to be reallocated to other RWC 2011 venues #rwc #eqnz
(3.11pm, via NZHerald) Quarterfinal games will be moved to Auckland; others will be distributed around the South Island #rwc2011
(3.10pm, via NZStuff) Quarter final #RWC games to be hosted in Auckland. Other games hope to stay in South Island #eqnz

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### ODT Online Thu, 10 Mar 2011
Christchurch event managers eye Dunedin
By Chris Morris
Christchurch event organisers with plans shattered by last month’s earthquake are turning to Dunedin’s Forsyth Barr Stadium for help, and Rugby World Cup matches could yet follow.
Destination Queenstown chief executive Tony Everitt said his organisation had fielded calls from “several” international and domestic conference organisers in recent days.
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### ODT Online Thu, 10 Mar 2011
Virtual stadium tours with new 3D model
By Chris Morris
Internet giant Google has joined forces with Dunedin Venues Management Ltd to produce a 3D model of the Forsyth Barr Stadium.
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Link to 3D Google Model

Posted by Elizabeth Kerr

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49 responses to “Events could shift south #eqnz

  1. Russell Garbutt

    I see that Murray McCully has been giving the Daily Telegraph in the UK a hard time over the possibility that Chch will not be in a position to host the RWC matches. I found the original piece and it is good to see what was actually said – the writer sounds pretty sensible to me…

    “Two weeks after the earthquake that has left 166 confirmed dead and many more missing there is a growing sense that the IRB will have no choice but to take matches elsewhere.

    The national and city authorities face a terrible dilemma as they consider whether to prioritise retaining matches in the city over basic infrastructure, homes and essential services.

    With an estimated 80 per cent of roads impassable, a third of buildings damaged and major utilities all seriously damaged by the quake, Christchurch faces years of reconstruction, and a sporting event would not normally be a priority.

    On Monday prime minister John Key said that some areas of the city will not be rebuilt because liquefaction of sub-surface rock has made it impossible.

    The possibility of hosting some or all of the seven matches, including back-to-back quarter-finals on Oct 8-9, has been held up by figures including Key as a symbol of hope for the stricken city however.

    The structural surveys this week on the AMI Stadium, which suffered damage to two stands and liquefaction – when soil behaves like liquid – of the pitch, will help the IRB form a provisional judgment on whether it is possible to stage matches.

    It will then be for the New Zealand government to decide whether it is a priority.”

    {Telegraph story 10.3.11 -Eds}

  2. peter

    It would be obscene to prioritise fixing the AMI Stadium above sorting out things for the people in the eastern suburbs, for example. Politicians trying to use the so-called uplifting allure of rugby, and the RWC, to raise peoples’ spirits, is overblown nonsense. If the profits for the RWC were to stay in Christchurch – without going to the IRB – you might be believe they were genuine in their concern. There are so many businesses that will not be up and running in time to benefit from any tourist spend up (where?). All that will likely happen is for extra stress to be put on the people of Christchurch – for a few rugby games for God’s sake – with little monetary reward left ‘to help them out’.
    Disappointing to hear Bob Parker, who has been a noble public face, talk such nonsense re the RWC and its ‘boost’ for Christchurch. The stress must be getting to him. The same goes for Key who is so enthusiastic about Prince William’s visit and its alleged morale boosting impact on the natives. Colonial cringe stuff, with the doffing of caps and curtseying to rich toffs, who are much better off to be left bonking their own types with us left enjoying their stories in the NZ Women’s Weekly.

  3. Phil

    Quite right, Peter. As moral boosting as it might be in the short term, there’s not going to be enough money to give the people who live in Christchurch everything that they had before. The country doesn’t have that level of financial reserves. So they are likely to be worse off than they were. And to start throwing several millions of dollars at a sporting venue, specifically at the time when people are without housing, would be a real slap in the face for everyone in the country who pays taxes. If the RWC had been 12 or 18 months further out, then the money might have been able to have been juggled. How can the NZRFU go to the IRB today and say, with any certainty, that there will be sufficient money and resources to repair the stadium AND the associated infrastructure (hotels etc), when no-one can say what the cost for finding homes for people will be.

    Then there’s the issue that, on top of the rebuilding costs, the city will have to pay all the costs for hosting those 7 matches. Could any council with half a soul justify giving money away at the very time their ratepayers are in desperate need of that money. The majority of the financial spinoffs to the city would be in the form of hotel/motel accommodation and meals/beverages. 90% of that money would have been spent within the damaged CBD. Which means that a lot of money is going to have to be prioritised into those small areas. As well as all the building contractors in the region. It would take nearly 100% of the resources for the next 6 months to get the CBD back up to a marketable level again in time for the RWC. Again, leaving the residents behind. How great are those trailer parks going to look in English newspapers ? I think that any responsible administration needs to look a bit further ahead than a 3 week sporting contest.

    • Elizabeth

      (2.14pm) @10PARK RT @NZStuff The turf at AMI Stadium is “a complete and utter mess,” says @johnkeypm. #eqnz

      • Elizabeth

        Liking the honesty of What if? contributors tonight.
        Suggest a rewrite: “The people of Christchurch remain nervous about their homes, businesses and future…” What has RWC got to do with any of that. Zero.

        ### ODT Online Thu, 10 Mar 2011
        Nervous wait for Christchurch over Rugby World Cup
        The people of Christchurch remain nervous about the future of rugby World Cup games following the earthquake that struck their city, as the Government prepares to mull over engineering reports on the state of damage to AMI Stadium and its ground. Rugby World Cup Minister Murray McCully is expecting an initial engineering report on how much damage the stadium and its ground sustained in last month’s magnitude 6.3 earthquake and said a decision on whether the city could host five pool matches and two quarterfinals could be made as early as next week. NZPA
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        • Elizabeth

          Tweet:

          (10.15pm) @PolarBearFarm Fuck the fringe sport world cup. Organise the world’s best ever urban planning conference here. Give us something awesome to care about.

        • Elizabeth

          ### ODT Online Sat, 12 Mar 2011
          Cup matches to go, official hints
          Source: Weekend Herald
          Auckland is set to host more Rugby World Cup games, including two quarterfinals, with quake-affected Christchurch looking likely to lose its matches, the Weekend Herald has learned. A senior official at the International Rugby Board says the chances are firmly against Christchurch being able to stage its seven scheduled matches during the World Cup, including two quarterfinals.
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  4. Phil

    Yes, probably not the highest priority right now for people carrying their buckets down the street to the nearest empty Portaloo.

  5. Elizabeth

    ### ODT Online Mon, 14 Mar 2011
    Editorial: Christchurch Cup conundrum
    Any true friend of Christchurch – and at this particular juncture that is pretty much the entire country – hopes against hope the Rugby World Cup games scheduled for the city can and will go ahead there.
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  6. Henk

    Would any of those games come to Dunedin, or is it all North now?

    • Elizabeth

      Henk, we just don’t know yet – new stadium at Dunedin has capacity issues, and just maybe completion issues (? who knew) – plus Carisbrook would need some work to handle media and team accommodation
      …and, Dunedin has accommodation capacity issues that differ from those at Christchurch.

  7. Henk

    Yes, I know about the accommodation issue. I am hoping that the Stadium will force a bit of a re-think about how we could develop the waterfront close to it. I can see that a hotel there will do well. Also, the new tax structure on bed and breakfast places will not help. So it goes.

  8. Lindsay

    As the three planned games are going to cost us $400,000 for the privilege, why would we possibly want any more?

    • Elizabeth

      ### ODT Online Tue, 15 Mar 2011
      Key holds out hope for Christchurch RWC matches
      Christchurch’s AMI stadium could be capable of hosting Rugby World Cup matches, Prime Minister John Key said today as the Government studied reports on damage caused by the February 22 earthquake. “As soon as we’re in a position to clarify what our thinking is, then we will communicate that to others,” he told reporters.
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  9. Elizabeth

    ### stuff.co.nz Last updated 10:22 27/02/2011
    Dunedin stadium dodges earthquake knock-on
    By Marc Hinton
    The boss of Dunedin’s state-of-the-art new rugby indoor stadium says he’s confident the reverberations of Christchurch’s devastating earthquake will not prevent his facility being ready for the kickoff of the World Cup.
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  10. Phil

    Sad to hear the announcement, but I think that everyone knew it was coming. And I believe it was the right move. Even the hardened Canterbury rugby supporters were starting to have ethical concerns about stretched resources being poured into football infrastructure instead of prioritising the immediate needs of the residents. I believe the decision was made some time back. As has already been noted, if the matches were going to be staged, they would have already been working at the facility. Very poorly handled.

    Just having a quick run through the schedule of matches, it would make sense for Dunedin to host one of the England matches, or one of the Italian matches scheduled for Christchurch. Assuming that the dates won’t be changing, which would be a broadcasting nightmare. England play their first 3 matches in the South Island. And it’s the people travelling from the northern hemisphere who will be the most affected by the change of venue. Keeping both the England team’s Christchurch games within easy reach of their 3rd match base in Dunedin would seem to minimise the cost impact. The England match against Argentina seems to be their touhgest match, and the one that possibly needs the largest spectator venue. That’s scheduled for the 10th, 4 days before the already scheduled Scotland v Georgia first match in Dunedin. It’s tight, but do-able.
    The other logical team to stay in the area is Italy. They play all their matches in the South Island, starting in Christchurch and ending in Dunedin. Again, it’s their travellers who will be most affected by the venue change. Their Christchurch match would be the pick of the matches for us to secure, as it’s their match against Australia. However, it’s likely to demand a high capacity stadium, so we might struggle to keep that. But that’s the one that the venue operators (if they have any say) should be pumping for.

    • Elizabeth

      (11.05pm) @BBCWorld Rugby World Cup games to be moved http://bbc.in/fdnLEE

      • Elizabeth

        ### ODT Online Thu, 17 Mar 2011
        Dunedin set to get extra pool match
        By John Lewis
        Dunedin will almost certainly gain an extra Rugby World Cup match following the decision to move fixtures from Christchurch.
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        ### ODT Online Wed, 16 Mar 2011
        League: Stadium boss confident of staging NRL clash
        By Steve Hepburn
        The big hits of the National Rugby League may be coming to Dunedin. The likes of Jerome Ropati, Manu Vatuvei and Simon Mannering could be playing in the new Forsyth Barr Stadium next year. Dunedin Venues Management Ltd chief executive David Davies said they had been talking to Australian league clubs about playing a NRL game at the new stadium.
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        • Elizabeth

          ### ODT Online Thu, 17 Mar 2011
          Rugby: Another Carisbrook farewell?
          By Hayden Meikle
          Could there be another farewell for Carisbrook?
          The All Blacks have scheduled an extra game this year, and the chances of it being played at Dunedin’s soon-to-be-obsolete ground have not been ruled out. A July 22 game, against an opponent to be confirmed, has been added to the international calendar to raise funds for rebuilding activities in Christchurch.
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        • Elizabeth

          ### ODT Online Mon, 21 Mar 2011
          Speculation stadium may host All Blacks test this July
          By Steve Hepburn
          The All Blacks could christen the Forsyth Barr Stadium in Dunedin this July. Fiji could play the All Blacks in what would be the first game in the new covered stadium. And Dunedin may be the new base for the England side for the Rugby World Cup later this year, creating an economic boom for the city with up to 10,000 English visitors expected to follow their team.
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          (via NZStuff) 20 March 2011

          Dunedin new World Cup base for England
          Heavyweights England are set to base themselves in Dunedin for the Rugby World Cup, rather than Auckland. Rugby World Cup sources have revealed to Sunday News the intended venues for the five games to be moved from Christchurch because of the earthquake.

          Dunedin may host All Blacks-Fiji test match
          Dunedin, get set to party. The southern city looks set to host the All Blacks on July 22. The New Zealand Rugby Union this past week announced the All Blacks would play an extra test on that day but did not reveal where and against whom. Sources have confirmed Fiji and Dunedin have been all but confirmed as the opposition and venue in what will double as a grand opening for Dunedin’s new stadium.

        • Elizabeth

          ### ODT Online Wed, 30 Mar 2011
          Top Rugby World Cup clash coup for city
          By Steve Hepburn
          Dunedin is expected to be announced today as the venue for the enticing clash between England and Argentina in the Rugby World Cup, with the English side set to be based in the city for more than three weeks. Officials from the Argentina Rugby Union were in the city yesterday, inspecting the new Forsyth Barr Stadium as well as training facilities at Carisbrook and the University Oval.
          Read more

        • Elizabeth

          All four matches in the city will be played at the yet-to-be-completed Forsyth Barr Stadium, it has been confirmed this afternoon.

          Tweets:

          (2.54pm) @ForBarrStadium We are confirmed to be the stadium for RWC 2011 http://bit.ly/ifilfm

          (2.54pm) @ForBarrStadium RT @AliCopeman: Forsyth Barr Stadium gains two pool matches loses one #RWC Great news!!

          (3.17pm) @NZStuff Relocated Rugby World Cup match venues named http://dlvr.it/Lt0ZM

        • Elizabeth

          ### 3news.co.nz Wed, 30 Mar 2011 6:11p.m.
          England rugby fans set to invade Dunedin
          By Dave Goosselink
          Dunedin is expecting a bonanza of English fans during the Rugby World Cup, with official confirmation today of the story 3 News broke on Monday.
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        • Elizabeth

          “If you build something special you will get people to come.”
          -Martin Snedden, RNZ 2011 chief executive

          ### ODT Online Thu, 31 Mar 2011
          World Cup games to stretch accommodation
          By Hamish McNeilly
          Dunedin will be under even more pressure to accommodate the thousands of rugby fans expected to visit for the Rugby World Cup as organisers confirmed the city will now play host to four matches.
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          ODT 31.3.11 Right royal rumour

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          Rugby New Zealand 2011 (RNZ 2011) Media Release 30.3.11 Christchurch RWC 2011 Pool Match rescheduling decisions/Otago Stadium confirmed (via ODT)

          ODT 30.3.11 World Cup boost for Dunedin
          ODT 30.3.11 Top Rugby World Cup clash coup for city

  11. Phil

    With respect, and I’d love to see the game played at Carisbrook, the point of the exercise is to raise money for the people of Christchurch. Is it not ? Not to give a party for Carisbrook. That’s pretty selfish on our part. In order to give the most money to the affected people, it should be played at the venue in the country that can draw the most revenue. And that’s Eden Park. With a seating capacity double that of Carisbrook, I think that the good people of Christchurch might appreciate the extra money.

  12. Phil

    I’ll only repeat what I’ve already said. If the event is genuinely to raise money for the people of Christchurch then it should be held in Auckland where the revenue will be twice that of Dunedin. If it’s going to be in Dunedin in order to help our neighbours feel a little better, then people who live in Christchurch should get in for free. I’ve got no problem with that, and I’ll even throw in the venue hire for free. That’s what neighbours do. I do object to the cheering and back slapping in the local community that has followed the rumours. Taking advantage of someone else’s misfortune never leaves a person in a good light.

  13. Elizabeth

    We’re gonna be rich. Not. [Is that all??????? Pathetic.]

    ### ODT Online Sat, 2 Apr 2011
    $441,600 for events during world cup
    By David Loughrey
    Nearly $500,000 will be pumped into the Otago economy this year for a wide variety of events set to take place during the 2011 Rugby World Cup.
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    Yawn.

    ### ODT Online Sat, 2 Apr 2011
    Cull unmoved by new marquee plea
    By Chris Morris
    A Dunedin bar owner has renewed calls for large marquees to be allowed in the Octagon during this year’s Rugby World Cup, after news the city will host an extra match.
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    So much nonsense – if you commit to major infrastructure spending you do it for your region in the normal LTCCP sense, not for one single stupid event that would pre-empt all processes of democratic long-term strategic planning. I didn’t think Otago-ites were this thick. The stadium debacle reveals all the colours, however, and this is simply more of the same.

    ODT Online Sat, 2 Apr 2011
    Northern route possible
    By Chris Morris
    The Southern Scenic Route linking Dunedin with attractions including the Catlins and Queenstown could be extended in time for an influx of Rugby World Cup tourists. The Dunedin City Council will consider a proposal to add a link to the route, between Port Chalmers and Karitane, providing an alternative scenic route for tourists entering Dunedin from the north.
    Read more

    • Elizabeth

      ### ch9.co.nz April 5, 2011 – 7:21pm
      DCC to soon announce finalised plans for the Rugby World Cup
      The Dunedin City Council will soon announce finalised plans for hosting the Rugby World Cup, after Forsyth Barr Stadium was recently confirmed as Dunedin’s official venue. Planning has been underway for over a year, but until the confirmation was made, work has been divided between planning for Forsyth Barr Stadium and Carisbrook. Deputy Mayor, Chris Staynes, who chairs the DCC group overseeing planning for the tournament says work will now pick up pace, and plans will be communicated to the public over coming weeks. Staynes adds that the DCC will take advantage of work done at a national level before it finalises community and business engagement programmes for Dunedin.
      Video

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      OK. Christchurch #eqnz never happened. New Zealand children in poverty never happened. And New Zealand is a topflight bullish economy. Nooo, we’re not insulted by blow-up toys when there’s no meat around.

      ### ODT Online Wed, 6 Apr 2011
      Outrage over $2m plastic waka for RWC
      A plan to build a giant waka costing nearly $2 million on Auckland’s waterfront for the Rugby World Cup has been criticised as a waste of money. NZPA
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    • Elizabeth

      ### ODT Online Tue, 12 Apr 2011
      ‘Old’ govt limos may be kept for Rugby World Cup use
      By Hamish McNeilly
      The sale of Government luxury cars may be delayed to allow overseas dignitaries to use then during the Rugby World Cup, it has been revealed.
      Read more

      • Elizabeth

        ### ODT Online Tue, 12 Apr 2011
        RWC zone notification
        By David Loughrey
        Details of restrictions in Dunedin surrounding advertising “clean zones” and “clean routes” during the Rugby World Cup will become clear in the next few weeks. Where the zones are, and when they will be enforced, will be gazetted late this month or in early May, Rugby New Zealand 2011 Ltd spokesman Mike Jaspers said yesterday.
        Read more

  14. Peter

    On Channel 9 News tonight an academic from the University of Otago Business Department – forget his name – said he doesn’t believe Dunedin will cope with a 10% rise in its population -10,000 visitors – for the RWC. According to him there are no strategies planned to cope with accommodation, police for crowd control, restaurants and so on. He asks, ‘where are the plans?’ He acknowledges there are five months to go before the event, but obviously thinks things have been left rather late.

  15. Phil

    Fortunately, as there’s not going to be 10,000 visitors to Dunedin for the RWC pool games, it won’t be that great a problem. The government projected figure is less than half of that. “Forget-His-Name”, also forgot to do his research.

  16. Stu

    The reality is as Phil states – the influx will be no different to a busy cruise ship visit (which the city gears up for and copes with very well) and the RWC events in Dunedin will be relatively low-key.

    Academics are trained to find fault (I was one once) and their public comments can often be perceived as negative.

    • Elizabeth

      (8.19pm) @DunedinTV An academic claims Dunedin isn’t ready for Rugby World Cup fans http://bit.ly/eHxl1p … #channel9 #dunedin #tv #nz

      {New url supplied. -Eds}

    • Elizabeth

      Despite all great flying statements, there’s so little budget at DVML to do anything, let alone launch the stadium.

    • Elizabeth

      ### ODT Online Mon, 9 May 2011
      Business link cup initiative
      By David Loughrey
      A business “matchmaking” initiative is one way organisers hope to make the most of influential business executives travelling to Dunedin for the Rugby World Cup.

      To host business visitors, locals can register on the Rugby World Cup business club site. RWC2011 staff will match the industry and interests of the visitors, and send invitations to the appropriate people.

      Another initiative profiling Dunedin as a centre for innovation in sporting technology would bring together companies in that area. The University of Otago was running a peak performance seminar, while an AgResearch event, shifted from Christchurch because of the earthquake, would also run during the cup.
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      Dunedin City Council Media Release
      World Cup Games To Attract International Business Leaders to Dunedin (06 May 2011)
      Senior satff from international businesses will be visiting Dunedin during the 2011 Rugby World Cup, and are keen to meet locals.
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    • Elizabeth

      This is a well fleshed-out news item from the Sun…

      ### ODT Online Sat, 18 Jun 2011
      Stadium to host Phoenix warm-up
      By Adrian Seconi
      The Wellington Phoenix will host defending champion Brisbane Roar in a pre-season A-League football game at the Forsyth Barr Stadium in mid-August.
      Read more

    • Elizabeth

      This is a well fleshed-out news item from The Sun.

      ### ODT Online Sat, 18 Jun 2011
      Stadium to host Phoenix warm-up
      By Adrian Seconi
      The Wellington Phoenix will host defending champion Brisbane Roar in a pre-season A-League football game at the Forsyth Barr Stadium in mid-August.
      Read more

  17. Phil

    Also worth remembering that the majority of those people who do come to watch the games in Dunedin are not going to stay in Dunedin more than a day either side of each match. The 2,400 English tourists who will be at the stadium on game day have each paid a lot of money to come here. They aren’t going to sit in Dunedin for 3 weeks doing Cadbury tours and visiting the penguins every day. They’ll be off to Queenstown, over to the West Coast, down through the Catlins, up to Mount Cook. In the campervans which they will have hired for the duration. Making the most of their time and money. They haven’t planned a trip to Dunedin, they’ve planned a trip to New Zealand. We would all do exactly the same thing if we travelled to England to watch the All Blacks. We wouldn’t be sitting in Blackpool for 3 weeks (more like 3 hours), patiently waiting for Saturdays to roll around.

  18. Peter

    It seems odd that David Davies isn’t commenting on this. You’d think there’d be a lot of crowing about this event. What’s up? Isn’t that the club which that guy Terry – with the Greek name (Serepisos?) – owns? The one with jet black and slicked up Brian Tamaki hair? The one who’s in the financial shit?

  19. Calvin Oaten

    Peter; Ye of little faith. The Phoenix would pull a crowd of at least 250 here in the “NEW STADIUM”.

  20. Peter

    Looks like that businessman around town, who subsidised up to 5000 tickets for the last Carisbrook game, will have his work cut out this time, if that is indeed the case, eh.

    • Elizabeth

      Had to laugh, The Sun actually includes a weblink that directs readers AWAY from ODT Online. Think how many websites this crowd mentions but never provides links for…

      ### ODT Online Mon, 20 Jun 2011
      Tickets on sale for stadium’s debut
      Tickets for the first event to be staged at the new Forsyth Barr Stadium in Dunedin will go on sale on Wednesday morning. The honour of the first rugby match at the stadium will be the Heartland Championship fixture between North Otago and West Coast on August 7.
      Read more

    • Elizabeth

      ### ODT Online Wed, 22 Jun 2011
      Netball: Stadium in line to host transtasman test next year
      By Adrian Seconi
      The first centre pass at the Forsyth Barr Stadium might be as early as next year, with Netball New Zealand chief executive Raelene Castle confirming some preliminary talks had taken place about hosting a test at the venue. Castle told the Otago Daily Times NNZ was considering staging a test between New Zealand and Australia at the stadium.
      Read more

    • Elizabeth

      Tweet:

      (12 minutes ago) @WgtnPhoenixFC Phoenix to play Brisbane Roar in Dunedin in August http://bit.ly/iPUNuM

  21. Peter

    Pedant. I guess that explains why David Davies was quiet about it as it is not a done deal. Interesting that Fairfax got far more information on this compared to the very sketchy ODT report – put on the front page. Maybe this is a sign of things to come for the ODT, with Fairfax pulling out of NZPA and the New Zealand Herald not showing much interest in teaming up with the ODT to share news stories.I hear the ODT is very worried about this development which I guess they have good reasons to be.

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