The proactive heritage development lobby EXISTS in Dunedin

Some say if we want to get serious about preserving heritage buildings, then maybe we are going to have to rethink how we go about paying for it. Others say if you buy a heritage building, then you should be prepared for what it might cost you and stop complaining. ODT

Allied Press Building. Image ©2011 Elizabeth Kerr

### ODT Online Mon, 21 Feb 2011
Refurbishing a numbers game
By Debbie Porteous
Everyone loves to see a historic building refurbished and in use, but there are inevitable hurdles to such renovation and reuse, especially when they involve buildings less fabled or publicly admired . . . From the point of view of people involved with redeveloping heritage buildings, the major impediment to redevelopment certainly appears to be the costs.
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Other stories:
Two perspectives on the Dunedin heritage buildings – Lois Galer & Robert Clark
South Dunedin highlights heritage
Dunedin chef puts to sea to make ends meet

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59 responses to “The proactive heritage development lobby EXISTS in Dunedin

  1. Elizabeth

    The quality and the quantity of the historic buildings are the foundation of what makes the city so attractive for those visitors, and also for residents.

    ### ODT Online Tue, 22 Feb 2011
    Editorial – Heritage: a monumental challenge
    The disastrous Canterbury earthquake, hopefully, has had at least one positive outcome. In the wake of the way it wrecked some of Christchurch’s historic structures, it has also shaken off any complacency about the state of Dunedin’s heritage buildings. And when pieces of the Barron building in Dunedin’s Rattray St fell off, unprompted, the vulnerability of the city’s buildings was underlined.
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    Having started work without consents…

    ### ODT Online Tue, 22 Feb 2011
    Working through a tangle of red tape
    By Chris Morris
    Lawrie Forbes has big plans for the dusty, desolate building standing at the back of his Crawford St site in Dunedin. He also has a fair idea of the headaches involved in rebuilding its shattered shell, both physically and while wading through a tangle of bureaucratic red tape.
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    • Elizabeth

      Experienced heritage carpenter Don Milne was deeply concerned with the state of the plaster-over-brick building when he took on the role of project manager for Ms Nikoloff about four years ago.

      ### ODT Online Tue, 22 Feb 2011
      Dream for Dandie Dinmont’s future a labour of love
      By Peter Donaldson
      If owner Isobel Nikoloff realises her dream, the Dandie Dinmont will become a worthy and much-awaited addition to the Larnach legacy. Better known as the White House, the magnificently proportioned building has stood guard on Portobello Rd at Vauxhall since 1880.
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      ### ODT Online Tue, 22 Feb 2011
      Two perspectives: contemporary character and Edwardian pomp
      Built environment consultant Elizabeth Kerr, and University fellow Michael Findlay discuss their favourite heritage buildings around Dunedin and why they are special.
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      Remember this one well. A touch of self-reflection on the part of the owners would balance the story.

      ### ODT Online Tue, 22 Feb 2011
      Inside view: more help needed if city wants its historic buildings saved
      By David Loughrey
      Saving a historic building to allow for what is described in insider’s jargon as “economic reuse” requires an owner’s zeal, and a result that will attract a tenant. Those aspects were in place for buildings at 73 St Andrew St, but co-owner Mark Wallace says the road to get there was so hard he would not do it again.
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  2. peter

    The bureaucratic hassles faced by some of these sympathetic developers of historical buildings, as recounted here, would be enough to put many people off. What a pity if that perception becomes well established.

    • Elizabeth

      Why interview someone who started building without consents, what does that suggest to you.

      • Elizabeth

        The following comment was entered on the wrong thread:

        r wilson
        Submitted on 2011/02/22 at 4:19 pm
        Dunedin has a long history of destroying its past, the stock exchange building, the trams and cable cars, the top of the town hall, even Bartons butchers neon sheep and pigs etc etc, some of this has cost dunedin millions in tourist dollars over the years

  3. Stu

    “Built environment consultant Elizabeth Kerr, and University fellow Michael Findlay discuss their favourite heritage buildings around Dunedin, and why they are special.”

    Bemoaning the lack of sub-editing skills at the ODT again.
    Elizabeth, you are special because you have a wealth of experience and are not afraid to express a point of view. Not sure about the Findlay fellow…

    • Elizabeth

      I haven’t checked the ODT print version yet – at Online I was termed a “Building environment consultant” which was odd as well. They corrected that.

      We is special, no doubt. (The Fellow) Michael and I probably think the buildings are special, even if ODT isn’t convinced.

      Further, the subeditor used ‘veranda’, not ‘verandah’ as given in my original text. In all my years of professional degreeing and teaching in architecture I would NEVER cut off the ‘h’ to spite a facade.

  4. Elizabeth

    ### ODT Online Tue, 22 Feb 2011
    Ceiling uncovered
    By John Gibb
    An ornate plaster ceiling which has emerged during demolition work at the Otago Settlers Museum will be retained in the final design of the museum’s $35 million redevelopment project.
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    • Elizabeth

      Mayor Dave Cull: ‘I will go so far as to say the large amount of leasehold land in the city is holding the city back.’

      Cr Lee Vandervis: ‘While the council may only ever be in a “seed funding” role, it would be possible to use heritage funding to hire engineers to devise generic solutions.’

      ### ODT Online Wed, 23 Feb 2011
      ‘Quite simple solutions’ available
      By David Loughrey
      For Dunedin Mayor Dave Cull, the stunning but underused heritage buildings between Cumberland and Crawford Sts do not have to be used as commercial buildings, or apartments. His idea is, in 10, 20 or even 30 years, a retirement complex of the sort now dotted around Mosgiel, but in a location and in buildings perhaps more conducive to the baby boomers who will soon be shuffling towards their twilight years.
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      DCC heritage buildings economic reuse steering committee
      Chair: Cr Lee Vandervis
      Members:
      Cr Fliss Butcher
      NZHPT representative: Owen Graham, Otago Southland Area Manager
      Building owner representatives: Ted Daniels, Jeff Dickie and David Booth
      DCC staff representatives: building control, economic development, policy planning, and property departments

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      Other stories (ODT):
      Council looking at ways to push building reuse
      Two perspectives on Dunedin heritage buildings – Ann Barsby & Gordon Parry

      • Elizabeth

        ### ODT Online Wed, 23 Feb 2011
        Trust’s action brough historic precinct back to life
        By David Bruce
        Thousands of tourists visit Oamaru each year to see its historic buildings. The town boasts it is “New Zealand’s capital of Victorian architecture”. But in the 1980s, a small group feared the town’s historic buildings, particularly in the Harbour and Tyne streets area, were deteriorating to such an extent they would become beyond saving.
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        • Elizabeth

          New pub tenant for the historic Queens Garden Court building, cnr Rattray and Crawford Sts, Dunedin.

          ### ODT Online Sat, 26 Feb 2011
          New building for Duke of Wellington
          By Rebecca Fox
          Fantastic wood panelling and intricate plaster work are just some of the advantages of moving into a historic building, Dunedin pub owner Michael McCarrigan says.
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          ### ODT Online Sat, 26 Feb 2011
          Readers nominate their favourite Dunedin buildings
          As part of our series on the future of Dunedin’s heritage buildings we asked readers to nominate their favourites.
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  5. Elizabeth

    ### D Scene 6-4-11
    From the ground up (pages 8-9)
    By Wilma McCorkindale
    Heritage highflyer Ted Daniels is preparing to call in his structural engineer Stephen Macknight to inspect his latest restoration project, Dunedin’s historic Standard building in Princes St.
    {continues} #bookmark

    Register to read D Scene online at http://fairfaxmedia.newspaperdirect.com/

    • Elizabeth

      NZHPT Otago Southland area manager Owen Graham says instead of delivering cruise ship visitors “into the congested city centre at the Octagon, start them off at our amazing “gingerbread” George Troup designed Railway Station”.

      ### D Scene 18-5-11 (page 7)
      Talk: Dunedin on Dunedin
      (Opinion) Dunedin’s ‘golden mile’
      By Owen Graham
      While the city’s iconic heritage buildings get a lot of attention (and rightly so), what always impresses me is the multitude of smaller heritage buildings tucked in beside and around them. These buildings themselves are special. As well as providing an historic aesthetic to the streetscape, they are the “connecting tissue” from one icon to the next. As such, they are major contributors to what has previously been termed “Dunedin’s Golden Mile”.
      {continues} #bookmark

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      http://fairfaxmedia.newspaperdirect.com/

      • Elizabeth

        ### D Scene 1-6-11
        Castle for keeps (page 1)
        A draft preservation report has signposted the way forward for St Clair landmark Cargill’s Castle to be preserved. See p3. #bookmark

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        What if? editor’s note: The following D Scene story title is misleading. The conservation report mentioned in the story recommends that the existing registration for the historic place is reviewed. The square brackets are ours.

        ### D Scene 1-6-11
        Report backs campaign to register castle (page 3)
        By Wilma McCorkindale
        A new conservation report lends extra weight to a campaign to have Cargill’s Castle ranked as one of New Zealand’s most significant landmarks. Elevating the New Zealand Historic Places Trust (NZHPT) status for the St Clair landmark from [Category II to Category I] is one of the key recommnedations in a draft conservation report commissioned by the building’s owners, the Cargill’s Castle trust. The future of the derelict building has long been uncertain, but the trust hopes the report – by [registered] architects Jackie Gillies and Associates – will provide impetus for fundraising efforts to preserve the castle.
        {continues} #bookmark

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        http://fairfaxmedia.newspaperdirect.com/

  6. janet

    Thanks for the D Scene link about the castle. I then read about Dunedin being poised to develop itself as an oil industry supply base and my eye caught the comment by J Henry “[the supply base] won’t happen without a local push such as ensuring the Dunedin Harbourside remains an exclusive industrial zone”. Does anyone have any up to date information on the status of the negotiations between DCC and the local businesses?

  7. Elizabeth

    ### ODT Online Tue, 19 Jul 2011
    Rates relief for 19th century harbour warehouse
    By David Loughrey
    A prominent and historic Dunedin harbourside building has been given rates relief – and is awaiting a major tenant – as the city looks to find ways to save its built heritage. The New Zealand Loan and Mercantile Agency Co Ltd building in Thomas Burns St has been granted rates relief for three years under a policy set up to preserve heritage and townscape buildings. The policy, introduced recently, widens the criteria under which owners can apply for rates relief.
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  8. Elizabeth

    ### ODT Online Sat, 13 Aug 2011
    Restoration fundraising
    By Eileen Goodwin
    The Historic Iona Church Restoration Trust plans to start the “huge job” of refurbishing the Port Chalmers church this year with the help of a $150,000 grant from Otago Community Trust. Trust secretary Margaret Innes said the grant, announced this week, brought the total raised to $850,480, of the nearly $2 million needed.
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    • Elizabeth

      The new legislation is intended to avoid the situation whereby paid staff formulate a trust position on a heritage issue under the Resource Management Act contrary to views advocated by a particular local branch committee – and to avoid confusion as to the position of the trust.

      ### ODT Online Wed, 31 Aug 2011
      Editorial: Who will guard our heritage?
      Looking after New Zealand’s heritage, particularly at a local level, will soon become a more challenging proposition. Legislation is pending that will amend the Historic Places Act 1993 and significantly affect the role and make-up of the New Zealand Historic Places Trust (NZHPT). This follows recommendations of a review led in 2009 by the Ministry of Culture and Heritage – which had been signalled as part of the National Party’s arts, culture and heritage policy in the lead-up to the 2008 election. The most dramatic effect of the impending legislation – with a Bill expected to be put before the House in the next couple of months – will be to disestablish the local branch committees of the trust. The advocacy role of such local committees, bearing the imprimatur and thus the weight of legislation, will cease. For anyone who cares about heritage this is a pressing concern.
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      █ The NZHPT is an autonomous Crown entity that regulates the destruction and investigation of archaeological sites, maintains a register of historical and cultural heritage, and manages a portfolio of 48 heritage properties. It has a paid workforce of more than 100 people. The Crown appoints six of the NZHPT board’s nine members, with the remaining three elected by the national membership, which numbers about 23,000. (ODT)

      • Elizabeth

        Who will guard our heritage? asks the ODT editor. Indeed, it won’t be the flipping cleric at Knox Church, or the Knox council (whom I note can’t even maintain Knox Halls in tidy condition).

        It was a great relief to read in the same item (below) that Doug Langford, of Wellington, secretary of the Presbyterian insurance group, holds a different view towards the stewardship of historic heritage: “Church property is property held in trust, donated by past generations for the benefit of future generations and we have a trust obligation to ensure this value is protected.” Thank god.

        An expert structural engineer, who works not far from Knox, recently commented on the type of work required to improve the church’s building performance. It wasn’t a huge ballpark sum, it was surprisingly modest and could easily be achieved through community grants and or Lotteries Heritage.

        See what the local stewards of the Iona Church at Port Chalmers are achieving:
        https://dunedinstadium.wordpress.com/2011/02/21/the-proactive-heritage-development-lobby-exists-in-dunedin/#comment-18144
        https://dunedinstadium.wordpress.com/2010/12/26/historic-heritage-notes/#comment-18069 [Ch9 video]

        Like Knox, Iona has an aging parish but with the right attitude and professional support everything is possible. I will add, a lot more finance has to be raised for Iona than for Knox.

        ### ODT Online Wed, 31 Aug 2011
        Knox minister says church may go without insurance
        By Hamish McNeilly
        Historic Knox Church faces a future without insurance after being hit with a 300% increase in premiums, and the situation could be the same for other churches, its minister warns. Insurance rates for older churches were expected to increase by up to 60% after the Christchurch earthquake, but the council of the 135-year-old Dunedin church was not prepared for its latest invoice.
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        • Elizabeth

          ### ODT Online Thu, 23 Feb 2012
          No rebuild cover for Knox Church
          By Allison Rudd
          The imposing 136-year-old Knox Presbyterian Church would not be rebuilt in its present form if damaged to the point where it had to be demolished, church officials have decided. Because of the soaring cost of insuring historic buildings since the Christchurch earthquakes, the church – one of Dunedin’s oldest and the city’s largest – was no longer insured against earthquake damage and was insured for only about one-third of its full replacement value if destroyed by a non-earthquake event, such as a fire, minister the Rev Dr Sarah Mitchell said this week.
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        • Elizabeth

          The 129-year-old Caversham Presbyterian Church in Thorn St needs major repair and earthquake-strengthening work and demolishing it is being discussed.

          ### ODT Online Mon, 9 Apr 2012
          Churches to merge at Caversham
          By Allison Rudd
          Presbyterians in southern Dunedin have decided to merge two congregations into one on the Caversham Church site in Thorn St before the end of the year. However, the move will require further tough decisions as the parish decides whether to upgrade or demolish the 129-year-old landmark.
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          NZHPT has no power to insist the owners of listed buildings carried out repairs and maintenance. It also has no power to veto demolition plans.

          ### ODT Online Wed, 11 Apr 2012
          NZHPT wants options explored
          By Allison Rudd
          New Zealand Historic Places Trust [Dunedin] staff will meet South Dunedin Presbyterians later this month to explore options for the 129-year-old Caversham Presbyterian Church other than its demolition. Demolishing the 129-year-old Thorn St Church, which has a category 1 New Zealand Historic Places Trust (NZHPT) classification, is one of the ideas being considered by Coastal Unity Parish members.
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        • Elizabeth

          Comments about Iona Church from other threads:

          Elizabeth
          Submitted on 2011/08/13 at 1:31 pm

          ### ch9.co.nz August 9, 2011 – 7:24pm
          Port Chalmers church receives Otago Community Trust grant
          The Otago Community Trust gave away just over $311,000 to more than 30 different organisations across the region last month. The biggest hand-out was a $150,000 donation to the iconic Iona Church in Port Chalmers.
          Video

          Elizabeth
          Submitted on May 20, 2013 at 11:37 am

          ### ODT Online Sun, 19 May 2013
          Scaffolding rises as restoration begins
          By Tim Miller – The Star
          After years of waiting, work is finally ready to start on the restoration of the Iona Church in Port Chalmers. The restoration of the Historic Places Trust category 1 building has been planned for more than five years, during which time plans have been changed to incorporate factors such as earthquake strengthening.
          In the next week scaffolding will be put up around the main bell tower and a smaller bell tower so a stone mason and architect can get a closer look at what needs to be done.
          Historic Iona Church Restoration Trust trustee Lincoln Coe said it would be good to finally tell those who had given money to the restoration that their money would be spent. ”I think for a while some of them were starting to ask if their money would ever be used.” Relief was one word to describe how the trust was feeling now work was about to start, Mr Coe said. About $850,000 had been raised but the same amount again would need to be raised to complete the restoration, he said.
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          Elizabeth
          Submitted on December 15, 2014 at 9:39 am

          ### ODT Online Mon, 15 Dec 2014
          Strikingly good restart for Iona Church clock
          By Shawn McAvinue
          The striking of regular chimes around Port Chalmers from the restored Iona Church clock is again setting the pulse of the small harbour town community. Octa Associates director David O’Malley, the project manager of the church restoration, said the [1885 Little John and Co] clock restarting yesterday signalled the end of the church’s first restoration stage.
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      • Elizabeth

        Today’s ODT editorial neglected to mention the New Zealand Historic Places Trust area office for Otago Southland, based in Dunedin.

        The office staff are available to assist members of the public, including researchers, students, property owners, developers and local authorities, with all heritage enquiries.

        NZHPT Otago Southland Area Office
        Location: Queens Building (Level 4), 109 Princes Street, PO Box 5467, Dunedin 9058
        Phone: 03 4779871
        Fax: 03 4773893
        Email: infodeepsouth@historic.org.nz
        Area Manager: Owen Graham

        For many years, the area office and the Otago Branch Committee have provided strong mutual support to each other for community advocacy, heritage research, compiling submissions, hosting public events, fundraising, promoting Trust properties, marketing Dunedin’s historic heritage, and championing the Trust’s heritage advisory services and statutory responsibilities. It has been a long and exceptionally valuable family partnership, particularly in response to legislative change and frequent internal restructuring.

        The Otago branch is the oldest branch in New Zealand, an honour it shares with the Auckland branch.

        With the loss of the Otago Branch Committee pending, discussion is underway to scope options for continuing ‘grassroots’ heritage advocacy in the district.

        Of course, the historical beginnings of the contemporary Crown entity, New Zealand Historic Places Trust, lie in the founding of branch committees across New Zealand, and the development of their membership bases.

        I leave my thoughts on the establishment of the Historic Places Aotearoa (HPA), incorporated society, mentioned in the ODT editorial, for another time and contemplation. For now, I will say that I find the thinking, mandate and approaches of the self-appointed HPA Executive less than stimulating or attractive as a prospect. The society’s name and logo design (branding??) leave much to be desired. Where is the business plan.

        Disclaimer. Elizabeth Kerr is a former NZHPT Otago Branch Chair (2000 – 2009).

  9. Elizabeth

    A public meeting to discuss the future of the former prison would be held next month.

    ### ODT Online Fri, 30 Sep 2011
    Trust keen to buy old city prison
    By Hamish McNeilly
    The former Dunedin Prison is being sought by a local trust after Ngai Tahu turned down the right to buy the historic property. Stewart Harvey, of the Dunedin Prison Charitable Trust, said he believed the trust now had first option on the historic property.
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  10. Hype O'Thermia

    Unfortunate but sensible IMO.

    • Elizabeth

      It’s cheap to fix, Hype. The structural engineer who is the masonry specialist in town knows what it’s worth to tie the church together. They’d get a Lotteries heritage grant, a Dunedin Heritage Fund grant and would qualify for assistance from NZHPT’s national preservation fund. Very little fundraising involved – what they can spend on insurance is better put into the structural work now.

      • Elizabeth

        Meanwhile not far from town, DOC fails historic heritage… Are we surprised? The organisation has a long-established history of thinking it knows best in matters of historic heritage and archaeology, a law unto itself.

        “Conservation should be regarded as our gift to the future, and carries with it a sense of obligation to later generations – conservation of our cultural heritage is as much about looking forward as it is about looking back,” writes leading New Zealand conservation architect Jeremy Salmond in his report about the St Bathans Post Office.

        ### ODT Online Tue, 20 Mar 2012
        Opinion
        Architect highly critical of St Bathans conversion
        The proposed conversion of the St Bathans Post Office might be well meaning but it is poorly advised, says Catherine Spencer. She outlines why conservation architect Jeremy Salmond condemns the work.
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        • Catherine Spencer, of Dunedin, is secretary of the St Bathans Heritage and Environment Preservation Trust.
        • Mr Salmond’s full report can be found here: Evidence of Jeremey Salmond

        • Elizabeth

          ### ODT Online Sat, 24 Mar 2012
          Architect’s [grand]daughter has a mission
          By John Lewis
          Nearly 70 years after his death, Edward Walden’s work lives on in Dunedin. The Dunedin architect designed many commercial and public buildings in the city, including the former public library (now the Carnegie Centre), the Hallensteins Building in the Octagon, St Margaret’s College, the Mayfair Theatre, the Andersons Bay Presbyterian Church and the soldiers’ memorial on the Otago Peninsula. Given the damage done to historic buildings in Christchurch in the past two years, his granddaughter, Patricia Ellis (71), of Wellington, is in Dunedin this week to photograph the buildings her grandfather designed, as part of her family history documentation.
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        • Elizabeth

          http://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/203135/developer-unveils-new-plans-roslyn-fire-station

          Hmmm. How can there be an issue with a non licensed cafe, does this come back to parking pressure in Roslyn? Why not let the building owner get a better return on their landmark heritage building? Surely conditions of consent will mitigate any perceived adverse effects. Yeah yeah creeping zone issues, but this building should always have been handled appropriately in the district plan for its mixed use potential.

        • Elizabeth

          http://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/203120/phenomenal-interest-dunedin-apartments

          Good news story for adaptive reuse, even if acknowledging the real estate agent’s free marketing care of ODT.

        • Elizabeth

          ### ODT Online Tue, 8 May 2012
          Cafe, gym, granted consent
          By Ellie Constantine
          A cafe and gym could soon join apartments and a day spa in the former Roslyn fire station – a move labelled “crazy” by a local business owner. Roslyn Fire Station Ltd has been granted consent for two businesses – a Coffee Culture cafe, and physiotherapy gym, to be operated in conjunction with Roslyn Physiotherapy – to establish in the station, though it is still open to appeal.
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        • Elizabeth

          James Cameron takes issue with conservation architect Jeremy Salmond on the proposed conversion of the St Bathans Post Office. Mr Salmond’s views were summarised in an opinion page article (20.3.12) from the St Bathans Heritage and Environmental Preservation Trust.

          ### ODT Online Thu, 29 Mar 2012
          Opinion
          Errors in post office criticism: applicant
          By James Cameron
          After receiving Mr Salmond’s report on my application for the grant of concession regarding the St Bathans Post Office I find myself exasperated. Not only are Mr Salmond’s facts wrong but I’m frustrated at having to repeat myself, having already submitted clear evidence which he (along with the St Bathans Heritage and Environment Preservation Trust) appears to be intent on refuting without fact or reason.
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          ODT notes:
          • A decision is still pending on whether the Department of Conservation will grant a 10-year concession, leasing the St Bathans Post Office building to Cameron Accommodation Ltd, for the building to be developed and operated as commercial accommodation. A hearing was held at the Becks Hall in December for submitters to air their views and more evidence was filed last month.

        • Elizabeth

          My letter to the editor at ODT today:

          ### ODT Mon, 2 Apr 2012 (page 12)
          Call for Doc to relinquish responsibility
          The furore over St Bathans’ former post office tells us the Department of Conservation has seriously erred in its stewardship of the outstanding nationally significant old building.
          Procedurally, the department hasn’t followed important steps to safeguard this rare building and its chattels for future generations; the department has “project managed” an agreement with James Cameron (ODT, 29.3.12) that it shouldn’t have; the department has failed on the path to public consultation.
          The Crown should quickly remove the department from any responsibility it has for the property — management of the property should pass to New Zealand Historic Places Trust.
          A covenant agreement for the property and chattels (these are fully inventoried and photographed) should be entered into.
          The Ministry for Culture and Heritage should investigate the department’s handling of this national treasure; failure to observe best practice for heritage management is a job not to be repeated in this or any other conservancy.
          Some censure of the department would not be out of order.

          Elizabeth Kerr
          Dunedin

  11. Hype O'Thermia

    Now THAT’s good thinking. Yes!

  12. Hype O'Thermia

    DOC doesn’t really hold with people or their works, with the exception of DOC personnel and whatever they decide to create. I think they exist with the constant frustration that for nit-picking bureaucratic reasons they cannot exterminate the non-DOC and non-indigenous fauna and flora and demolish all signs that they ever were on these islands.
    But the longest journey starts with a single step.
    One flush loo at a time….

  13. Anonymous

    Solid building, very nice conversion.

    • Elizabeth

      Facebook – Crown Mill
      http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Crown-Mill/117862798230154?v=info

      Crown Roller Mills (via ODT)

      • 1867: Original three-storey building of brick and Oamaru stone built to house a steam-driven mill to grind grain into flour.
      • 1878: Building extended.
      • 1890: Building extended further; fifth floor added; millstones replaced with steel rollers.
      • 1984: Building given category I New Zealand Historic Places Trust classification.
      • 1997: Owners Goodman Fielder close mill and shift production to Timaru and Christchurch; some plant sold, the rest scrapped; building sold to Dunedin business consortium.
      • 2003: Building sold to developer Ian Lisk, who begins total refurbishment. Restaurant, bar and function room created on ground floor and 12 apartments on upper floors; central chimney shaft redeveloped into an atrium with stairs, balconies and a lift; apartments available for lease; New Zealand Historic Places Trust welcomes development as commercially viable way of securing the long-term future of an important historical building.
      • 2006: Refurbishment complete

  14. ### ODT Online Thu, 30 May 2013
    University updates staff on quake work
    By Vaughan Elder
    The University of Otago updated its staff about its $50 million earthquake-strengthening plan yesterday, revealing a building constructed in the late 1990s is among those found to be earthquake-prone.

    ● The university’s St David 2 building, built in 1997, was the only new building revealed to be earthquake-prone, which means less than 34% of new building standard (NBS) for earthquake strength. A proposal to strengthen the building, which formerly housed the foundation studies department and was now unoccupied, was being planned in preparation for it eventually housing the department of applied [sciences].

    ● Options for the 1969-constructed Arts building [formerly known as the Burns building] included demolition and building anew, or a major repair to the existing structure.

    So far, a total of eight buildings had been found to be prone to damage in an earthquake, including four buildings part of residential colleges.
    Read more

  15. At the Athenaeum…

    ### ch9.co.nz June 25, 2013 – 7:01pm
    New technology on trial in Dunedin
    Newly developed technology has been trialled for the first time in Dunedin today, and it looks set to revolutionise the engineering industry. Finding out a buildings’ earthquake strengthening needs, used to be time consuming project. But thanks to a scanner the size of a video game controller, that process just became a lot quicker.
    Video

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    ### 3news.co.nz Tue, 25 Jun 2013 6:35p.m.
    New gadget speeds up building checks
    By Dave Goosselink
    A new handheld gadget is set to revolutionise the job of measuring up buildings, with tens of thousands needing earthquake-strengthening over the next decade. The ZEB-1 is the size of a videogame controller and can scan an entire building with just a short walk-through.
    Iain Bramwell of 3D Laser Mapping says it may look like a ghostbuster, but the spring-loaded gadget is actually making a detailed scan of the building.
    The ZEB-1 uses laser beams to take 43,000 measurements a second, mapping an entire site in the time it takes a surveyor to walk through it.
    Read more + Video

    zeb-1 (3)zeb-1 (7)zeb-1 (2)zeb-1 (6)[screenshots]

    • ### ODT Online Wed, 26 Jun 2013
      Close-up, 3-D view of Athenaeum building
      By Nigel Benson
      New technology was used in Dunedin yesterday to solve the old problem of how to see through walls. A 3-D laser scanner was used yesterday for the first time in New Zealand to assess the athenaeum building for earthquake-strengthening work.
      ”There were all these horror stories about the athenaeum, so we wanted to find out how thick and strong the walls are,” building owner Lawrie Forbes said. “But there are five separate buildings and they were all completed at different stages. The laser scanner takes away the biggest problem to engineers and architects, which is getting accurate wall thicknesses. The DCC did an IEP [initial earthquake protection] on it which showed a rating of 23%. But, that was just a drive-by rating and it wasn’t accurate. The whole idea of this exercise is to get an accurate rating. If it is above 33%, we can instantly inhabit it.”
      Iain Bramwell, general manager of 3-D Laser Mapping in Perth, recorded the measurements with the hand-held scanner in 45 minutes yesterday.
      Read more

      [Image: odt.co.nz]
      3D laser map Athenaeum [odt.co.nz]

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      • ### ODT Online Wed, 24 Jul 2013
        Underground movement in sculpture
        By Nigel Benson
        An underground sculpture park is being installed in the Octagon. A series of large-format sculptures have been moved into a space beneath the Dunedin Athenaeum since the weekend. The 100kg sculpture Bridge A Cross was installed in the basement gallery on Monday. The sculpture was made from the original Dunedin Railway Station footbridge, which was destroyed when struck by a train in 2008. ”It’s made from parts of the old bridge and part of the new bridge; hence the name ‘Bridge A Cross’,” athenaeum owner Lawrie Forbes said.
        Other works installed since the weekend are Sir Robert Muldoon Piggy Bank by Zeal Steel, which had sat outside Ironic Cafe for the past decade, and Whale Tails, by Dunedin sculptor Peter Fleming.
        The sculptures are on loan from Octa Associates and Zeal Steel and form the start of a permanent sculpture collection. Mr Forbes bought the athenaeum in May, with the intention of converting it into a multipurpose arts facility.
        ODT Link

      • ### ch9.co.nz August 6, 2013 – 7:11pm
        Cargill’s Castle attracts rescue plans
        The team behind the rescue of the Athenaeum is turning its attention to another of Dunedin’s historic buildings. Using the same scanning technology used at the Octagon site, they will produce a 3D model of the Cargill’s Castle ruins. And that model may be used to help make further decisions on the castle’s future.
        Video

        • ### ODT Online Wed, 7 Aug 2013
          Cargills Castle given laser treatment
          By Nigel Benson
          A ruined castle was the unlikely setting for the latest laser technology in Dunedin yesterday.
          Cargills Castle was used to test a 3-D laser scanner, which may provide cost-effective earthquake-strengthening solutions for heritage buildings.
          ”It reduces costs by at least 50% and time by more than 80%,” Solutions By Zeal director Lawrie Forbes said yesterday. It provides accurate floor plans, elevations and wall widths, which can be used for seismic design or just renovation purposes. We wanted to test it on Cargills Castle because it’s an important building and once it’s gone it’s gone. We’ll be giving the model to the castle trust to use for their earthquake testing and restoration planning.”
          The scanner was particularly useful for measuring old buildings for which there were no architectural plans, Mr Forbes said.
          Read more

  16. Hype O'Thermia

    Fascinating! Fingers crossed for the Athenaeum Building and its visionary owner, such an exciting project. This time for a change the word “vision” doesn’t conjure in my mind worrisome associations with mental derangement and illicit substances.

  17. ### dunedintv.co.nz November 4, 2013 – 6:53pm
    Six week redevelopment project of historic building finished
    One of Dunedin’s most decorative historic buildings has just finished a six week redevelopment project.
    Video

  18. ### dunedintv.co.nz May 8, 2014 – 5:48pm
    Athenaeum plans on hold
    A planned arts hub in the Athenaeum is on hold, while unexpected issues with the building are dealt with. Project managers have spent 18 months trying to turn the Octagon building into an arts centre for Dunedin’s creative community. But they have been forced to put their original vision aside. Issues with the building include water leaks, complex archaeological requirements, pre-existing leasing arrangements and delayed structural work. And that has meant project managers have been unable to book arts events or lease the building, in turn stemming revenue flow. But they remain committed to making the Athenaeum an arts hub eventually.
    Ch39 Link [no video available]

    • ### ODT Online Sun, 11 May 2014
      Plans for art hub on hold for now
      By Brenda Harwood – The Star
      Ambitious plans to establish a Dunedin arts hub in the Octagon Athenaeum building have been put on hold for the immediate future, as work continues on the historic building. In a statement released this week, Dunedin Arts Hub project director Allan Baddock and director Scott Muir said it had been decided to wait until complex issues with upgrading the building were resolved, so that the development of a hub could proceed ”with greater certainty”.
      Read more

      Brenda Harwood has not done her research.

      [as sent to ODT Online]

      Correction: Category 1 historic place
      new
      Submitted by ej kerr on Sun, 11/05/2014 – 6:31pm.

      The article says: The Athenaeum building has a Category 2 historic places classification.

      The Dunedin Athenaeum and Mechanics’ Institute building was registered as a Category I historic place by Heritage New Zealand (then known as New Zealand Historic Places Trust) on 26 September 2008. Read the Registration report here.

  19. ### ODT Online May 9, 2014 – 7:33pm
    Bartons Building undergoing a makeover
    The bright neon lights will not return, but Dunedin’s Bartons Building is undergoing a makeover. The historic building used to light up the Exchange area with an iconic neon pig in a top hat and suit. And while initial plans by the new owners show no lights, one says never to rule anything out.
    Video

    • Peter

      I’m not sure which is the Bartons building. What is there now?
      Would love to see the Gresham Hotel restored in the Exchange. Looks kind of sad and neglected and very visible on that corner. Great what is happening down there so far.

      • Corner Manse and Stafford Streets – watch Ch39 video to check out the building with ‘Stafford House’ signage. Currently has the pet shop at ground floor to Manse St.

      • Hype O'Thermia

        Bartons is on the corner, it’s the V shaped building that’s currently a pet and pets’ supplies shop but it used to be Bartons Butchers. It used to have little neon pigs running around the verandah as if they were chasing one another. There were several Bartons, brothers I think, working there when I used to live nearby and buy meat there regularly. They were big strong handsome men who had the knack of being just a little bit cheeky to ladies without straying into inappropriate >> coarse. All the staff seemed to be pleasant and friendly all day, every day. It was scrupulously clean, and there was a great selection of cuts. Supermarkets with their arbitrary plastic-wrapped meat, seldom the right amount, and poor substitutes. what’s more they specialise in prime numbers, so unless you’re serving one chop or sausage each for 3 or 5 or 7 people you have to buy 2 trays, or squabble over the extra portion.

  20. Bartons Butchers was an institution. Main shop on the corner of Manse and Stafford Sts. Branches in Rattray St and the Octagon. Friday morning it was all hands to the counter. I’ve seen as many as 12 behind with the shop full and people on the street waiting. Principals at the time of its closure were George and Reg Barton assisted by brother in law Mr Smaill. Overtaken by the pre pack supermarket concept which Bartons changed to, in an effort to retain the business. Without the one stop get all of the supermarkets it didn’t work. Sad, but that was the way of the world and who would say which is/was best?

  21. John P.Evans, concerned citizen

    The great trick was after Bartons sold out, cleaning up the building to enable other uses. The building stank and it was some time before a new tenant could be found.

    • Hype O'Thermia

      I remember it being very clean, but perhaps the clean smell of fresh meat was because of cleaning every day so nothing that had sunk into the pores of the building got a chance to fester, undisturbed.

  22. Elizabeth

    [Stafford House]

    “It’s all reinforced with steel and is up to 100% of the earthquake standard.” –Chris Willis, co-owner

    ### ODT Online Wed, 14 May 2014
    Total makeover for landmark Dunedin building
    By Nigel Benson
    Home is where the heart is for a Dunedin software company. Willis White and Co recently bought Stafford House, where it was founded in 1989, and started a comprehensive renovation of the prominent building this week. The three-storey building, on the corner of Stafford and Manse Sts, is better known as ”Barton’s Building” after it served as a butcher’s shop for more than half a century.
    Read more

    ****

    An older comment from another thread about the former Baron Building in Rattray St (now demolished) mentions Stafford House:

    Stu
    Submitted on 2011/01/13 at 7:30 am
    Any research work been done on what causes this issue with brick?
    The brickwork at the proposed site to be redeveloped on Princes St was reported to be in the same state. Some years ago now I drilled into the brickwork atop Stafford House on the corner of Princes St/Stafford and was somewhat surprised to find that it liquified under the drill.

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