1. STS response – appeal 2. Coastal protection – comments

STS statement re Appeal decision

STS is disappointed with the Wellington Court of Appeal result but pleased the action has forced the Dunedin City Council to admit that what they told the Christchurch High Court was wrong and the Council, NOT the Central Government, are making up the $13 million shortfall.
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Posted by Elizabeth Kerr


Filed under Hot air, Stadiums, STS

35 responses to “1. STS response – appeal 2. Coastal protection – comments

  1. meg55

    Ahem. Excuse me. Why is this statement filed under disinformation, hot air and stupidity? Can we assume this refers to the DCC’s disinformation, hot air and stupidity?

  2. meg55

    Well done STS. It was worth it.

  3. Max Power

    meg55, you appear to be making defamatory comments about the DCC…

  4. meg55

    It was a question, Max, not a statement.

    Elizabeth has revealed her hand. Her response clearly shows that her anti-stadium stance has been overwhelmed by her anti-STS stance . I think this has been very unfortunate not only for this site but for efforts to stop the stadium. I regard her as a friend and admire her knowledge of planning law and her tireless efforts to use it for the betterment of Dunedin. That the STS committee spurned her skills was a major tragedy for STS, as has now become apparent. But that’s no reason to lose sight of the fact that as a body with 1500 members STS had the best chance anybody had to stop the stadium. That’s why some of us have continued to be members, despite disagreeing with the actions of some of its executives.

    I do think STS was right to take the appeal, and I think it is quite appropriate to make that comment here. Why wouldn’t it be?

  5. Could everybody please stop using the word “defamatory” I am so over it. We all know how to argue, we all have thick skin, and ‘contextual opinion’ isn’t defamatory.

    It may be less than complimentary etc, but please let’s move on.

  6. Meg this may come as a surprise to you and many others, but I too think it was right to launch the appeal.

    It seemed the only way to have exhausted and exposed much of what was myth and reality was through the courts.

    I don’t begrudge the StS for taking the action, and I hope they have the money to cover cost, as it is a very democratic right to be able to take Goliath to the courts.

    Having said that, of course I am happy with the judgement.

  7. Richard

    In retrospect, it is more than interesting to reflect on the approach taken by ‘opponents’ of two current but different council projects – The Dunedin Centre/Town Hall and The FB Stadium.

    “Hands off Harrop”* were willing to engage in dialogue with council. They offered options.

    “Stop the Stadium” did neither.

    There is a lot in a name!

    PS: I am resisting going back and boring everyone with re-run of the shift to the new DPAG from Logan Park or even acquiring the Regent as our major live theatre to which the council of the day was utterly opposed! And even although it seems like yesterday.

    *{Richard – I’ve corrected the name in your message. I’m on the HOH committee and feel duty bound to do so in light of the Mayor having also got the name wrong in a recent D Scene interview… Hands off Harrop is an incorporated society, and its run continues care of its AGM held on Wednesday 19 Aug 2009. EK}

  8. Judy

    Paul. StS had a right to appeal ? What a joke, especially when they had the right to appeal the hearings decision and decided not to take it, an appeal that they would have won. They waited for the council to get closer to construction time before launching the appeal they could not win. Interesting that it is claimed that the stadium is to cost the average ratepayer $66 per year. What would have been the cost to the ratepayer if STS had have won, more like $166 a year to pay for broken contracts etc, and all we would have been left with would be piles sticking out of the ground looking like a grave yard to commemorate STS achievements. Thank god they lost.

  9. meg55

    Actually, Judy, even at this late stage I would rather halt construction, pay off those hurt by breach of contract, and save the city’s money (which it doesn’t have anyway!) for projects that would really help the city. We would be better off. Any idea what it is going to solve the erosion problem at Middle Beach? Nor does the council. But no matter what they do it will be heaps, and it is not even in the long term community plan. Talks about short sighted.

    • Elizabeth

      Phil Cole, as usual, raises a sensible approach. This time to coastline erosion…

      ### ODT Online Thu, 27 Aug 2009
      Opinion: Nature’s way may be Middle Beach answer

      The initial response to coastal erosion is often the construction of a sea wall, but Phillip Cole argues that will not do the job at Middle Beach. He advocates a policy of “managed retreat” instead.
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      • Elizabeth

        ### ODT Online Tue, 31 May 2011
        Report into erosion of sandhills expected in July
        By David Loughrey
        A long-running investigation into shoring up Dunedin’s defences against the sea is finally about to reach the decision stage. Since huge storms ripped into the sandhills at St Clair and Middle Beaches in 2007, the council has been working to develop a plan to deal with the issue.

        Everything from sediment studies to renourishment options for sand at the beaches had been investigated, and there had been more work to study a former landfill site at Kettle Park. One of the more important studies examined offshore and onshore currents on the coast.

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  10. Richard

    Thanks, Elizabeth.

    The dialogue we had with H-O-H was always “friendly”. It must have grown on us all!

  11. Richard

    Meg says: “….and save the city’s money (which it doesn’t have anyway!)”

    I am sorry to correct you, but your opinion is certainly not FACT!

  12. meg55

    What isn’t fact, Richard? I understood the council planned to borrow the money to fund the stadium. Or is it perhaps going to sell off its assets?

    • Elizabeth

      Perhaps we could move on to other stadium topics (pro, against and exploring) to facilitate information exchanges that more people benefit from in learning about the city. What construction involves. Whatever.

      Good points All, about DCC website and keeping information current there. It matters.

  13. I am so ready to move on, there is a lot to talk about at the moment.

  14. Elizabeth

    ### ODT Online Fri, 2 Sep 2011
    Sea may win fight for coast
    By Chris Morris
    Coastal erosion could force Dunedin’s Kettle Park and nearby dunes to be abandoned to the sea, but only after millions of dollars are spent clearing potentially toxic industrial waste from an old landfill lying underneath. The idea of a “managed retreat” from Middle Beach and Kettle Park is one of two recommendations to come from consultants Tonkin and Taylor, as the Dunedin City Council considers how to respond to coastal erosion threatening the area.
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    Report – CDC – 07/09/2011 (PDF, 2.5 MB)
    Consultation on Preferred Management Actions for Long Term Coastal Protection of Ocean Beach Domain Reserve


    Dunedin City Council
    Media Release
    Ocean Beach Erosion

    This item was published on 01 Sep 2011.

    Due to recent swell activity off Ocean Beach, there has been a drop in sand levels on the beach and erosion of the dune face, particularly in the area between The Esplanade, St Clair and Moana Rua Road, St Kilda.

    There is a forecast increase in swell conditions at the end of this week, meaning there is the possibility of further erosion.

    Contractors are removing overhanging sections of the dune to prevent it from falling onto the beach.

    Due to the lowered sand level, the stairway from the gravel track, between the St Clair seawall and the tennis courts, has been closed and the lower sections removed. This section of the track may also be at risk of erosion during the predicted storm event and will be closely monitored.

    Early next week, DCC staff and engineers will inspect the beach and arrange any necessary repair works.

    We thank the public for their understanding and co-operation.

    Contact Mick Reece, Manager, DCC Community and Recreation Services on 477 4000.

    [DCC Link]

    • Elizabeth

      ### ODT Online Tue, 6 Sep 2011
      Middle Beach avoids further erosion
      By Chris Morris
      Middle Beach in Dunedin escaped further erosion after large swells expected over the past few days did not occur, Dunedin City Council staff say.
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      • Elizabeth

        ### ODT Online Thu, 8 Sep 2011
        Public to have say on erosion plans
        By Chris Morris
        The public will be asked to have their say as the Dunedin City Council considers plans to combat erosion at Middle Beach that could lead to a “managed retreat” from the area. Councillors at yesterday’s council community development committee agreed to consult the public on a draft Ocean Beach management plan prepared by consultant Tonkin and Taylor.
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    • Elizabeth

      ### ODT Online Tue, 25 Oct 2011
      Battered beach-access ramp may be moved
      By David Loughrey
      Major changes may be in store for a ramp and staircase at Dunedin’s St Clair Beach, facilities which have had repeated failures in the face of heavy seas. Dunedin community life general manager Graeme Hall said the ramp might be shifted further down the Esplanade towards Middle Beach, once councillors had made a decision on its future.
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      • Elizabeth

        ### ODT Online Wed, 15 Feb 2012
        Dunedin rugby club plea as sea threatens grounds
        By Chris Morris
        Erosion threatening the “entire existence” of Dunedin’s largest rugby club has prompted the club’s chairman to ask for new grounds. Dunedin Rugby Football Club chairman Andrew Rooney’s request came in a submission to the Dunedin City Council, ahead of a public hearing next week on plans to combat erosion at Ocean Beach, including Middle Beach and Kettle Park.
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        Ocean Beach is the name given to the beach that stretches for nearly four kilometres, from the point at St Clair, where the Hot Salt Water pool is located, to Lawyers Head.

        Proposed Management Options for Ocean Beach
        Submissions closed – 25/11/2011
        Hearing – Tuesday 21 and Wednesday 22 February 2012 (with Thursday 23 set aside if required).
        Edinburgh Room, Municipal Chambers (off the Octagon) commencing at 9.00am
        Hearings Committee: Crs Colin Weatherall, Bill Acklin and Paul Hudson
        Members of the public are welcome to attend to observe proceedings.

        Questions re arrangements for the hearing – contact Governance Support Officer, Jane Hinkley on 477 4000.
        Questions re Management Options – contact Saskia Bunicich (Community and Recreation Services) on 477 4000.


        • Elizabeth

          ### ODT Online Wed, 22 Feb 2012
          Conflicting calls for Ocean Beach action
          By Chris Morris
          The Dunedin City Council is facing calls from some groups to save Kettle Park from erosion, and from others to let nature take its course. The mixed messages came as a council hearings committee yesterday heard public submissions on a draft management plan for Ocean Beach, designed to tackle erosion at Middle Beach, between St Clair and St Kilda.
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        • Elizabeth

          Is Hudson still on Council ?

          ### ODT Online Thu, 23 Feb 2012
          Engineer says let erosion take South Dunedin
          By Chris Morris
          Allowing coastal erosion to reclaim Kettle Park should be the start of a wider retreat from South Dunedin, a Dunedin City Council hearings committee has heard. The call came from Sustainable Dunedin City co-chairman Phillip Cole – a former civil engineer of 31 years’ experience – as the committee considered a second day of submissions on its draft management plan for Ocean Beach. However, the idea was swiftly dismissed by the hearings committee, with one member, Cr Paul Hudson, calling it “not acceptable”.
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        • Elizabeth

          ### ODT Online Sat, 3 Mar 2012
          DCC buys school from Ngai Tahu
          By John Lewis
          The Dunedin City Council has bought land and buildings at Tomahawk School, to safeguard the city’s coastline. The property, formerly owned by the Crown, was sold to Ngai Tahu Property earlier this year and then on-sold to the Dunedin City Council for about $300,000. Dunedin City Council Community and Recreation Services manager Mick Reece said the property officially changed hands on Tuesday. “We feel it’s important that council own the land in terms of safeguarding coastal protection in the future.”
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        • Elizabeth

          Report to DCC Community Development Committee
          Meeting: Monday 12 March 2012, at 2.00 PM
          Edinburgh Room, Municipal Chambers

          Report – CDC – 12/03/2012 (PDF, 67.2 KB)
          Reserves Purchase – Former Tomahawk School Site

          In March 2010, The Ministry of Education declared the Tomahawk school surplus to requirements. The property was originally part of Ocean Grove Domain. Ocean Grove Reserve is managed under the Coastal Dune Reserves Management Plan (“the Plan”) as a “Local Purpose (Coastal Protection) Reserve”. The aims of the Plan are to preserve and enhance the natural functions of the dune and beach systems to allow them to provide natural protection for the land behind. The Plan states that the Council should consider purchasing land for coastal protection when suitable coastal land becomes available.

        • Elizabeth

          Tomahawk School
          Bought for: $247,000
          Sold for: $300,000
          (GST excluded)

          ### ODT Online Wed, 4 Apr 2012
          Anger at Ngai Tahu’s profit from sale of Dunedin school
          By John Lewis
          Figures released under the Official Information Act reveal Ngai Tahu Property made a $53,000 profit when it sold the former Tomahawk School site to the Dunedin City Council last month. Ngai Tahu declined to provide the sales information at the time, but a request for the price through the Official Information Act 1982 showed the Ministry of Education sold the school site on January 28, 2012 to Ngai Tahu Property, pursuant to the Ngai Tahu Claims Settlement Act 1998, for $247,000 (GST excluded). The amount paid was the same as the present market valuation, which was determined by a professional valuer. However, the property was then on-sold about one month later to the Dunedin City Council for about $300,000 (GST excluded).
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          It’s called property speculation, doesn’t matter who the parties are. Welcome to New Zealand’s grunge economy. DCC’s ‘economy’ was already wrecked – what’s one more rip-off added to its corporate history, flowering, burgeoning, in recent times through the efforts of Clan Farry and deserving pals.

        • Elizabeth

          Report – CDC – 23/07/2012 (PDF, 160.1 KB)
          Minutes – Ocean Beach Hearings

          Report – CDC – 23/07/2012 (PDF, 1.3 MB)
          Recommendation to Council for Approval of Ocean Beach Long Term Plan

        • Elizabeth

          ### ODT Online Tue, 24 Jul 2012
          St Kilda erosion wall a step closer
          By Debbie Porteous
          A 1.3km-long wall buried behind Dunedin’s St Kilda and Middle Beaches to manage coastal erosion, is a step closer. The first 300m of the wall might be put in place in five to 10 years, while the rest, mostly behind Middle Beach, will go up in 10 to 50 years, if monitoring over the next five years shows walls are a better option than a managed retreat. The long-term plan for managing coastal erosion at Ocean Beach was adopted by the Dunedin City Council’s community development committee yesterday.
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        • Elizabeth

          ### ch9.co.nz July 20, 2012 – 7:05pm
          Possible solutions to beach erosion
          A buried sea wall or a managed retreat of sand dunes could be the answer to erosion on Dunedin beaches.


          ### ch9.co.nz July 24, 2012 – 7:15pm
          Decision kicks off decade of work
          When Dunedin councillors voted yesterday to approve a plan to protect city beaches, their decision kicked off a decade of work. Cr Colin Weatherall has headed the committee that helps decide the future of the beaches. This afternoon he explained what happens next.

  15. Phil Cole

    I must admit, I did have a bit of a chuckle when I read this article. I presented a document about ‘Managed Retreat’ at the initial Council hearing back in April / May 2008 and put a similar article in the ODT on August 2009 – http://www.odt.co.nz/opinion/opinion/71493/nature039s-way-may-be-middle-beach-answer
    If anyone is interested.
    The reason why I had a chuckle is that one of the councillors in the paper the next day catagorically ruled out ‘Managed Retreat’…you might be able to search online at the ODT to see who this councillor was.
    The thing is, Managed Retreat is exactly what will happen. As Councillor Weatherall himself says in today’s article…
    “Council Ocean Beach project team chairman Cr Colin Weatherall said consultation was still required before any decisions were made, which was likely to be several years away.”
    With a council short on cash (and other things!) even back then it was pretty obvious what the solution would be…

  16. Alistair

    Managed Retreat, or should it be called Abject Surrender, has already been happening over the last few years. If the currently-fashionable policy continues of letting Nature takes it course there will eventually be sand-dunes through to the Harbour. Some of the playing fields are already marginal due to sand-encroachment.
    The City Fathers who reclaimed the flats and built John Wilson Memorial Drive will be turning in their graves.

  17. Hype O'Thermia

    He’d have to be prised off with a crowbar.

  18. Hype O'Thermia

    Good lord. Everywhere else around this town sellers are finding that if they get $-valuation they’re damn lucky. But sell to the DCC and you strike gold 21st century style. No pick, no shovel, no pan, no sluicing in the cold, cold hills, just lean back in your La-x-boy and leave the DCC to shovel ratepayers’ money onto your trailer. They’ll even drive it to the bank for you.
    We’re familiar with the “3rd generation unemployed/beneficiaries” category, well here in Dunedin we have the 3rd generation suckers – ratepayers suckered every which way, who got rid of one bunch who believed a tale of improbable “if we build it” riches rolling into town attracted by a roof so they committed millions on the basis of this bullshit, then another election comes along and who replaces them? Another bunch who go “Valuation? Yes you’re right, that was WEEKS ago, it’s worth lots more now, of course if it were for rugby we’d pay double and not even ask for a receipt.”

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