Roading changes, but what of public consultation?

Thanks Channel 9 and ODT. This story has been slow to emerge, not helped by a response lacking detail from one councillor visiting What if?
ODT provides a graphic showing realignment of the proposed roading.
Full public consultation on the changes looks to have suffered a detour and avoidance – why are we not surprised?

### ODT Online Sat, 23 May 2009
Redrawing the map for stadium
By Chris Morris

With Awatea St already closed for stadium construction purposes, Dunedin City Council staff yesterday confirmed nearby Leander St, running almost parallel, would be the next to close, in about two weeks. That would be followed by the closure of parts of Parry and Magnet Sts leading to the nearby railway and level crossing, expected at the beginning of July.
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10 responses to “Roading changes, but what of public consultation?

  1. Elizabeth

    Writers of comments posted at ODT Online this weekend appear to be surprised at the additional cost of roading changes for the stadium area.

    Are they ignorant or naive (or being ironic) – these potential costs, and other associated costs for infrastructure services, have been well understood by many participating in the stadium debate these last couple of years; and variously described as “hidden costs” (seen apart from those purported for the stadium building itself). Such that Dunedin City Council would absorb these into existing budgets in ways ratepayers would find difficult to track because some costs won’t be clearly itemised in financial reports.

    And yes, the effect will be to narrow spending in other council areas of expenditure to balance the books. And yes, the effect will be to make the (now) $217.4M price tag for the stadium project seem cheap! Or let’s say, ‘comprehensively understated’ by local authority game playing and deception.

  2. Richard

    Hang on a minute!

    This hasn’t been slow to ’emerge’ at all.

    The diagram (map) and detail is little different to what was in the ODT on 29 August 2007. Yes, 2007!

    The only real addition to the diagram shows the new access to the Boat Harbour and there is a bit more colouring.

    The new access is required because of the shifting of SH88 as part of the Strategic Corridor programme.

    It is provided for within the existing budget. That it is being done sooner because of the start of construction work on the stadium does not mean it comes at the expense of any other projected roading work. It has NZTA funding and approval.

    Nor is it another so-called “hidden” cost on the stadium.

    In short, Friday’s announcement was simply “it’s happening now and here are the details”.

    That is news but if CH9 and anyone else chooses to present it as being “new”, then one has to seriously question their homework.

  3. Richard

    I was, of course, referring to the second sentence in the original posting: “This story has been slow to emerge, not helped by a response lacking detail from one councillor visiting What if?”

    And to the layout!

    Nothing else.

  4. kate

    Richard the SH88 move has not been agreed to and will not be confirmed until Aug 2009 as it is out for consultation now. It probably will happen but it is incorrect to say that it ‘has NZTA funding and approval’.

    Further it is not a hidden cost but it has brought forward a project that was anticipated being required for several years and this has meant increasing rates required now instead of later which is an exacerbator of our rates increases over this next three year period.

    I think Elizabeth’s issue was more on the process for closing the roads and if there has been consultation – the cyclists that use the cycleway daily feel that they haven’t been consulted. Some had believed there was to be a hook on to the train bridge for cyclists and walkers and then under the bridge to University or along the road to central Dunedin. This no longer appears to be the short term solution that was proposed 18 months ago.

  5. “the cyclists that use the cycleway daily feel that they haven’t been consulted.”

    What did people think, that the stadium which will straddle these roads will be built with a tunnel in them so people can continue to bike and walk along these roads.

  6. But many thanks for stopping by and adding your ‘two cents worth’, much appreciated.

  7. Richard

    Kate say: “Richard the SH88 move has not been agreed to and will not be confirmed until Aug 2009 as it is out for consultation now. It probably will happen but it is incorrect to say that it ‘has NZTA funding and approval’.

    My original post was a response to a couple of questions posted by the co-administrators of this post.

    The line of the Strategic Corridor is agreed. The section of SH88 which will run from Anzac Avenue near Frederick to Ravensbourne Road and skirt the Stadium site is a matter for the Regional Land Transport Committee with the decision to be made (as stated) in August.

    I have confirmed with DCC staff that the new access to the Boat Harbour has been agreed with LTNZ and has their funding support.

    There is no rate increase for the work on the new access to the Boat Harbour simply because the work has been brought forward.

    The comment about “hidden cost” relates to comments made by others, principally I think, on the ODT blog and reposted here. Whatever, they all overlooked – as did CH9 – that this was not something new and had been reported in the ODT as far back as 29 August 2007. I ‘dug the clipping’ out from my own files.

    I have not further commented on the matter of formal road stoppings given that Elizabeth has subsequently taken this up with the Chief Executive.

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